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Port Pirie Power wrote:I thought 2 divisions was meant to improve the redbacks??

It hasn't started yet.

Port Pirie Power wrote:I thought 2 divisions was meant to improve the redbacks??

Hasn’t started yet

Northern Jets have pulled out their women's 1st Grade team from the competition. Scorpions going well but it leaves things a bit fragile at grassroots level if clubs are going to keep falling over.

Tony Clifton wrote:Northern Jets have pulled out their women's 1st Grade team from the competition. Scorpions going well but it leaves things a bit fragile at grassroots level if clubs are going to keep falling over.

Adelaide picked up a few, they will be strong

Steph Beazleigh is a great pickup

Tony Clifton wrote:Northern Jets have pulled out their women's 1st Grade team from the competition. Scorpions going well but it leaves things a bit fragile at grassroots level if clubs are going to keep falling over.

Seems strange that we are happy to run 4 grades in the men's competition, yet in Women's first grade one of the clubs in the biggest growth areas in the state pulls out of the competition.

Something seriously wrong with the thinking about the way we can progress cricket in this state.

Why don't we change tack, let's forget about an eight team competition and change the culture of the Redbacks, more importantly the old boys club that still permeates selection of teams and squads in this state.

Will we win a shield in the 21st century?

Agree, the more women we have in sport has to be a good thing for male cricket going forward as well, especially when future mothers are thinking about what sport little billy will play.

East Torrens and Kensington in a Super Over I believe in today's T20 games.

Edit:
East Torrens "all out" for 1 in that super over.

billy wrote:

Tony Clifton wrote:Northern Jets have pulled out their women's 1st Grade team from the competition. Scorpions going well but it leaves things a bit fragile at grassroots level if clubs are going to keep falling over.

Seems strange that we are happy to run 4 grades in the men's competition, yet in Women's first grade one of the clubs in the biggest growth areas in the state pulls out of the competition.

Something seriously wrong with the thinking about the way we can progress cricket in this state.

Why don't we change tack, let's forget about an eight team competition and change the culture of the Redbacks, more importantly the old boys club that still permeates selection of teams and squads in this state.

Will we win a shield in the 21st century?

I have no idea what point you are making here. Whilst the Redbacks set up is dysfunctional this issue relates to the culture of a "premier" cricket club, who withdraws their first grade team from the competition 2 days before the season starts. Pathetic.

Will Darcie Brown be playing second grade when available?

The standard of premier cricket has dropped to it's lowest standard ever in my view - SD would struggle against ATCA sides. Many sides are now just replicating what they see at state level with interstate/overseas recruits. When the money runs out, and it always does, there is nothing left other than a poor performing club with poor culture = shit standard of cricket.

Sturt beat Adelaide University and Kensington in both T20's on the weekend.

They have always been strong through the grades, juniors and women.

They're usually around the mark in the 1st Grade too, however, their last senior mens premiership was in the T20 comp in 2010/11 and they find themselves in Div 2 thanks to a loss in the last game of last season.

They've got the right man as senior coach. They'll be primed in the field. I wouldn't be surprised if they go very well in the two short forms and dominate the Div 2 competition.

It was ridiculous that Sturt ended up in Division 2. They do everything you want a grade club to do - strong through the grades, lots of home-grown cricketers, strong women's program, strong junior program, produce state players. How could they devise a system to demote that club but reward clubs that went on a recruiting spree?

Could they not have had a more holistic look at club health and performances over time?

Tony Clifton wrote:It was ridiculous that Sturt ended up in Division 2. They do everything you want a grade club to do - strong through the grades, lots of home-grown cricketers, strong women's program, strong junior program, produce state players. How could they devise a system to demote that club but reward clubs that went on a recruiting spree?

Could they not have had a more holistic look at club health and performances over time?

Brilliant post, absolutely spot on. All four junior teams in Grand finals last season with three premierships so will have massive depth. Will win Div 2 in a canter, and as Aerie said will be a contender in the white ball comps. Will only be a one year hiatus for them that’s for sure.

Feel I might be re quoting this post next season with West Torrens, with all five State players out will be very weak and fear relegation, just doesn’t seem right

Eagles2014 wrote:

Tony Clifton wrote:It was ridiculous that Sturt ended up in Division 2. They do everything you want a grade club to do - strong through the grades, lots of home-grown cricketers, strong women's program, strong junior program, produce state players. How could they devise a system to demote that club but reward clubs that went on a recruiting spree?

Could they not have had a more holistic look at club health and performances over time?

Brilliant post, absolutely spot on. All four junior teams in Grand finals last season with three premierships so will have massive depth. Will win Div 2 in a canter, and as Aerie said will be a contender in the white ball comps. Will only be a one year hiatus for them that’s for sure.

Feel I might be re quoting this post next season with West Torrens, with all five State players out will be very weak and fear relegation, just doesn’t seem right

Couldn't agree more TC. No consideration given for long term success and sustainability. One year with a "first past the post" reward to include club(s) who forked out $$$. The one bad year that Sturt had was the year which has cost them. Agree Eags - they'll be back in Div 1 next year - along with Northerns (looking at their side on paper).
I stand corrected but I heard this whole 2 division concept was the brainchild of one T Nielsen? Anything with his involvement has zero credibility and another example of the lameness of the SACA and their Board to deal with him!!

Minimum Chips wrote:

Eagles2014 wrote:

Tony Clifton wrote:It was ridiculous that Sturt ended up in Division 2. They do everything you want a grade club to do - strong through the grades, lots of home-grown cricketers, strong women's program, strong junior program, produce state players. How could they devise a system to demote that club but reward clubs that went on a recruiting spree?

Could they not have had a more holistic look at club health and performances over time?

Brilliant post, absolutely spot on. All four junior teams in Grand finals last season with three premierships so will have massive depth. Will win Div 2 in a canter, and as Aerie said will be a contender in the white ball comps. Will only be a one year hiatus for them that’s for sure.

Feel I might be re quoting this post next season with West Torrens, with all five State players out will be very weak and fear relegation, just doesn’t seem right

Couldn't agree more TC. No consideration given for long term success and sustainability. One year with a "first past the post" reward to include club(s) who forked out $$$. The one bad year that Sturt had was the year which has cost them. Agree Eags - they'll be back in Div 1 next year - along with Northerns (looking at their side on paper).
I stand corrected but I heard this whole 2 division concept was the brainchild of one T Nielsen? Anything with his involvement has zero credibility and another example of the lameness of the SACA and their Board to deal with him!!

Maybe if a couple or four clubs had AMALGAMATED it may have solved the problems
AU and P
SD and Ad

or are they waiting for a couple of those to fall over before they resume normal programming

The Bradman Medal this coming season will apparently be contested only by the Division 1 teams.
The Division 2 teams will have another medal - currently unnamed- to play for in their own best and fairest.


The other 1st grade medals (Fielding and Wicket-Keeping) are probably (but officially TBD) going to be a joint medal over the 2 divisions.

Insider_Trading wrote:The Bradman Medal this coming season will apparently be contested only by the Division 1 teams.
The Division 2 teams will have another medal - currently unnamed- to play for in their own best and fairest.


The other 1st grade medals (Fielding and Wicket-Keeping) are probably (but officially TBD) going to be a joint medal over the 2 divisions.

The whole thing is messy

Whether it is eventually good in terms of producing better players?

Insider_Trading wrote:The Bradman Medal this coming season will apparently be contested only by the Division 1 teams.
The Division 2 teams will have another medal - currently unnamed- to play for in their own best and fairest.


The other 1st grade medals (Fielding and Wicket-Keeping) are probably (but officially TBD) going to be a joint medal over the 2 divisions.

Tim Nielsen medal

Eagles2014 wrote:

Tony Clifton wrote:It was ridiculous that Sturt ended up in Division 2. They do everything you want a grade club to do - strong through the grades, lots of home-grown cricketers, strong women's program, strong junior program, produce state players. How could they devise a system to demote that club but reward clubs that went on a recruiting spree?

Could they not have had a more holistic look at club health and performances over time?

Brilliant post, absolutely spot on. All four junior teams in Grand finals last season with three premierships so will have massive depth. Will win Div 2 in a canter, and as Aerie said will be a contender in the white ball comps. Will only be a one year hiatus for them that’s for sure.

Feel I might be re quoting this post next season with West Torrens, with all five State players out will be very weak and fear relegation, just doesn’t seem right

not sure West torrens are "doing everything you want a grade club to do" - they aren't even fielding 4 teams this season so lets not get ahead of ourselves

C Horse wrote:

Eagles2014 wrote:

Tony Clifton wrote:It was ridiculous that Sturt ended up in Division 2. They do everything you want a grade club to do - strong through the grades, lots of home-grown cricketers, strong women's program, strong junior program, produce state players. How could they devise a system to demote that club but reward clubs that went on a recruiting spree?

Could they not have had a more holistic look at club health and performances over time?

Brilliant post, absolutely spot on. All four junior teams in Grand finals last season with three premierships so will have massive depth. Will win Div 2 in a canter, and as Aerie said will be a contender in the white ball comps. Will only be a one year hiatus for them that’s for sure.

Feel I might be re quoting this post next season with West Torrens, with all five State players out will be very weak and fear relegation, just doesn’t seem right

not sure West torrens are "doing everything you want a grade club to do" - they aren't even fielding 4 teams this season so lets not get ahead of ourselves

Just getting in a year early - no 4th Grade next season and one less junior team, let’s face reality that 4th Grade is made up of old farts that should be retired, fill ins who will play at home only, lads up from Juniors who are never going to play 1st Grade. Given them a chance to go back to their local clubs like Grange and Fulham etc and play a level of cricket more their standard. You seen the standard of 4th Grade lately, is diabolical! Got a third Womens team playing in ATCA with all the numbers. Think WT is definitely a grade club that has been doing all the right things for many, many years.

Eagles2014 wrote:

C Horse wrote:

Eagles2014 wrote:

Tony Clifton wrote:It was ridiculous that Sturt ended up in Division 2. They do everything you want a grade club to do - strong through the grades, lots of home-grown cricketers, strong women's program, strong junior program, produce state players. How could they devise a system to demote that club but reward clubs that went on a recruiting spree?

Could they not have had a more holistic look at club health and performances over time?

Brilliant post, absolutely spot on. All four junior teams in Grand finals last season with three premierships so will have massive depth. Will win Div 2 in a canter, and as Aerie said will be a contender in the white ball comps. Will only be a one year hiatus for them that’s for sure.

Feel I might be re quoting this post next season with West Torrens, with all five State players out will be very weak and fear relegation, just doesn’t seem right

not sure West torrens are "doing everything you want a grade club to do" - they aren't even fielding 4 teams this season so lets not get ahead of ourselves

Just getting in a year early - no 4th Grade next season and one less junior team, let’s face reality that 4th Grade is made up of old farts that should be retired, fill ins who will play at home only, lads up from Juniors who are never going to play 1st Grade. Given them a chance to go back to their local clubs like Grange and Fulham etc and play a level of cricket more their standard. You seen the standard of 4th Grade lately, is diabolical! Got a third Womens team playing in ATCA with all the numbers. Think WT is definitely a grade club that has been doing all the right things for many, many years.

Maybe just some anger management courses for certain individuals to ensure they are continuing to do the “right thing”

There shouldn't be finals in Div 2

Instead have "relegation/promotion" matches

Div 1 7th vs Div 2 2nd

Div 1 8th vs Div 2 1st

Winners play Div 1 the next year

Like those promotion matches they have at Wembley for the soccer