Grade Cricket

[heater31]

SACA have taken a heavy hand on descent to umpires, i think a few prospect lads copped it early on in the year.

And they were A Grade players as well...

And they certainly can’t afford to lose any A graders for weeks.

Both their A and B grade lost outright last week with 90 odd in the first innings and D grade bowled out for 80 odd I think.

Ross Whiteley must be counting down the days until he goes back to Worcester

[Footy Smart]

Did I hear right that a WDCC lad copped 8 weeks for umpire abuse during the BankSA carnival?

Wouldn’t be far off it, that was against TTG.

Kid was given out LBW and called the umpire a few expletives, Fs and Cs involved...... SACA have taken a heavy hand on descent to umpires, i think a few prospect lads copped it early on in the year.

I guess that's one way to gain SACA attention. Talent doesn't seem to do much. As per normal, I didn't see any SACA attendance (scouting) to games - expect for the presentations.

They usually attend the finals matches, they know who they want in squads, they ID them well before the carnival. Barring the U15s which 90% of players would be too old for, the other carnivals/squads are done.

[Lame Choice]

Did I hear right that a WDCC lad copped 8 weeks for umpire abuse during the BankSA carnival?

Wouldn’t be far off it, that was against TTG.

Kid was given out LBW and called the umpire a few expletives, Fs and Cs involved...... SACA have taken a heavy hand on descent to umpires, i think a few prospect lads copped it early on in the year.

I guess that's one way to gain SACA attention. Talent doesn't seem to do much. As per normal, I didn't see any SACA attendance (scouting) to games - expect for the presentations.

They usually attend the finals matches, they know who they want in squads, they ID them well before the carnival. Barring the U15s which 90% of players would be too old for, the other carnivals/squads are done.

They should be at all games if they are serious about talent identification - not just the 15 golden surnames that make it all the way from U12s. There is no excuse for being to busy to attend the biggest collection of young talent.

[Footy Smart]

They should be at all games if they are serious about talent identification - not just the 15 golden surnames that make it all the way from U12s. There is no excuse for being to busy to attend the biggest collection of young talent

I used to think the same LC, but as I said, the U17s and 19s are done and the U15s they have a fair idea on plus they are having the U14 PL set up this year with is a talent ID set up in itself. I know SACA track numerous players throughout the season, and doubt they have the resources to be at every game.

[Lame Choice]

They should be at all games if they are serious about talent identification - not just the 15 golden surnames that make it all the way from U12s. There is no excuse for being to busy to attend the biggest collection of young talent

I used to think the same LC, but as I said, the U17s and 19s are done and the U15s they have a fair idea on plus they are having the U14 PL set up this year with is a talent ID set up in itself. I know SACA track numerous players throughout the season, and doubt they have the resources to be at every game.

Understood. It just ticks me off when 90% of our state team comprises of interstaters (driven by our high performance gurus) and I see so many emerging talents overlooked and lost because the weren't in the golden club from the beginning.

If this were AFL, each game would be recorded, each player at least spoken to. Unfortunately mycricket doesn't always tell the full story.

[heater31]

They should be at all games if they are serious about talent identification - not just the 15 golden surnames that make it all the way from U12s. There is no excuse for being to busy to attend the biggest collection of young talent

I used to think the same LC, but as I said, the U17s and 19s are done and the U15s they have a fair idea on plus they are having the U14 PL set up this year with is a talent ID set up in itself. I know SACA track numerous players throughout the season, and doubt they have the resources to be at every game.

Yep, what is the point if there are no squads on the horizon. The my cricket website provides a tracking tool stats wise and then if a consistent performer is found just head out and stand under a tree making your assessment from there...


I know Chuck is a big fan of the live updates on my cricket on a Saturday for the A Grade.

[Footy Smart]

They should be at all games if they are serious about talent identification - not just the 15 golden surnames that make it all the way from U12s. There is no excuse for being to busy to attend the biggest collection of young talent

I used to think the same LC, but as I said, the U17s and 19s are done and the U15s they have a fair idea on plus they are having the U14 PL set up this year with is a talent ID set up in itself. I know SACA track numerous players throughout the season, and doubt they have the resources to be at every game.

Understood. It just ticks me off when 90% of our state team comprises of interstaters (driven by our high performance gurus) and I see so many emerging talents overlooked and lost because the weren't in the golden club from the beginning.

If this were AFL, each game would be recorded, each player at least spoken to. Unfortunately mycricket doesn't always tell the full story.

Yep for sure, its frustrating. I have long been critical of the HP set up in reagrds to further developing talent. While many have taken shots at Grade Cricket, the real development of serious first class cricketers is in the HP set up where the resources are. In saying that the talents like Trav Head and Kelvin Smith are few and far between and preportionate to population in a way. Hopefully with stronger perfromances by the Shield side and hopefully stability, we can prepare the next back of SA lads to take over from the current imports.

Also in saying all this, if the imports perform im happy with that.

[beeroclock]

Can tell you they miss players.
If you have a few extra bucks and get extra training you get a little more attention.

[helicopterking]

Can tell you they miss players.
If you have a few extra bucks and get extra training you get a little more attention.

Yep. Or depending on what private school you attend.

[beeroclock]

Can tell you they miss players.
If you have a few extra bucks and get extra training you get a little more attention.

Yep. Or depending on what private school you attend.

I can give you one name but I won't obviously that has made every state squad since U/12s.
Got me buggered why.
Well maybe not.
Missed the final cut this year for the first time in U/17s.
Sure things may even out over time but what better potential cricketer dipped out in those proceeding years that has now said this is all too hard.

[heater31]

Can tell you they miss players.
If you have a few extra bucks and get extra training you get a little more attention.

Yep. Or depending on what private school you attend.

I can give you one name but I won't obviously that has made every state squad since U/12s.
Got me buggered why.
Well maybe not.
Missed the final cut this year for the first time in U/17s.
Sure things may even out over time but what better potential cricketer dipped out in those proceeding years that has now said this is all too hard.

Well if they were any good they would have stuck at it to prove those people in charge wrong....

It is up to the individual to change coaches perceptions of you and the only way you can do that is make runs or take wickets. Then people will take notice.

Sam Raphael is a good example. Was involved with under age teams but never took the leap into senior ranks until well into his 20's. How did he do it? With a truck load of runs and bingo into the 2nd XI set up. The season before he had a spell in the 2's at club level to get some confidence!

[beeroclock]

Can tell you they miss players.
If you have a few extra bucks and get extra training you get a little more attention.

Yep. Or depending on what private school you attend.

I can give you one name but I won't obviously that has made every state squad since U/12s.
Got me buggered why.
Well maybe not.
Missed the final cut this year for the first time in U/17s.
Sure things may even out over time but what better potential cricketer dipped out in those proceeding years that has now said this is all too hard.

Well if they were any good they would have stuck at it to prove those people in charge wrong....

It is up to the individual to change coaches perceptions of you and the only way you can do that is make runs or take wickets. Then people will take notice.

Sam Raphael is a good example. Was involved with under age teams but never took the leap into senior ranks until well into his 20's. How did he do it? With a truck load of runs and bingo into the 2nd XI set up. The season before he had a spell in the 2's at club level to get some confidence!

I agree.
We are talking kids mentality though.

[Lame Choice]

Runs and wickets come with time and effort. I've seen many a good bowler go wicket less and talented batsmen knocked over first ball.
My point about the junior talent ID is that some kids are completely overlooked in lieu of existing players that are known to SACA. Any idiot can pick 12 private school kids at age 12 and give them every opportunity. Some will go on, some will not. But for those many more who get missed can hardly be blamed for given in to another sport that plays fair.
The SACA simply do not have enough resources, and the existing staff have been there far to long. At least rotate them throughout the age groups. Jeez, some of them have been there for more than a decade an picked every bloody family member...

[Tony Clifton]

Why did SACA go back to U17's?

I thought the whole point was that it would be U16's trying to get picked for the following seasons U17's and saca's big sell was they would use the carnival to identify players for the squad, like happened with Nottle from ttg.

[beeroclock]

Why did SACA go back to U17's?

I thought the whole point was that it would be U16's trying to get picked for the following seasons U17's and saca's big sell was they would use the carnival to identify players for the squad, like happened with Nottle from ttg.

Lots of these kids would still have another year in the 16s next season TC.
Rest of them go to seniors but there is an U/19 state side that needs to be looked at as well.

[heater31]

Why did SACA go back to U17's?

I thought the whole point was that it would be U16's trying to get picked for the following seasons U17's and saca's big sell was they would use the carnival to identify players for the squad, like happened with Nottle from ttg.

Surely you would know Cliffy...

I'm led to believe that there were some financial rewards for going to 16's but who ever promised the cash failed to deliver so they changed it back.

I'm sure plenty of kids and parents complained as well. As when they changed it it was irrelevant and pointless playing against the same kids as you do on a Saturday.

[Footy Smart]

Why did SACA go back to U17's?

I thought the whole point was that it would be U16's trying to get picked for the following seasons U17's and saca's big sell was they would use the carnival to identify players for the squad, like happened with Nottle from ttg.

Surely you would know Cliffy...

I'm led to believe that there were some financial rewards for going to 16's but who ever promised the cash failed to deliver so they changed it back.

I'm sure plenty of kids and parents complained as well. As when they changed it it was irrelevant and pointless playing against the same kids as you do on a Saturday.

The u16 model was pointless as you mentioned above, the only players that may change from the saturday comp is the ones from seniors coming back to play. Why not test the best under 16s (future state U17 reps) against older/stronger competition.... the cream should rise in theory.

[Tony Clifton]

Not sure about that.

U/16's on Saturdays is a lower standard. Lose the better kids to senior cricket, school cricket and most of the country kids aren't there.

U19's would be picked more from seniors, not this carnival.

[heater31]

Not sure about that.

U/16's on Saturdays is a lower standard. Lose the better kids to senior cricket, school cricket and most of the country kids aren't there.

U19's would be picked more from seniors, not this carnival.

Would still be used as a tracking tool of potentials. But yes performances in seniors would do the bulk of the selection process.

[Footy Smart]

Not sure about that.

U/16's on Saturdays is a lower standard. Lose the better kids to senior cricket, school cricket and most of the country kids aren't there.

U19's would be picked more from seniors, not this carnival.

Agreed a few are missed to Seniors, certain clubs would lose kids to scholl but not all. Country kids are dependant on the club, I know we have 3 that play each and every game in the U16s and one cant due to boarding at Sacred Heart.

How many of the U17 squad are playing U16s this year? doubt any of them ar, most probably playing A/B grade