Great Southern Cricket Association

[WestIndiesWonder24]

Certainly a few good points there Tony!!!

Chopps and Num deserve the credit not an easy job!!!!

good luck to the lads hopefully they stick it up em!!!!

[Offcutter]

Just came across a photo of the 2002 Meyer Shield winning team from Great Southern (I think the last time they won it), 11 years ago.

With names like Garrard, Colaiacovo, Ifould, Binns, Binns, Henderson, Wayne Reed, Elliott, Gibson, Num, Leask, O'Connor, all about the same ages, late 20's to early 30's.

Certainly wasn't the first year all these guys played together, and I reckon that's what Tony is on about a bit. Get some young guys in, give them a few years of playing together and build up to an experienced TEAM. Everyone keeps banging on about individuals here.. "he should be in, he shouldn't be in", but no-one really has talked much about picking guys who are keen to play, or picking guys that are likely to put their hands up to play, year in, year out.

Of those guys mentioned above, you'd find that MOST of them played many (in some cases, many, many) years in a row, and together. The off field stuff wasn't bad that year either, just quietly...

[Richard Chee Quee]

yeah old mate has 20 something wickets he has to play blah blah blah old mate has 200 runs he has to play blah blah blah runs and wickets dont mean shit when you have batted 12 times for ya 200 runs and bowled 100+ overs for ya 20 wickets. its not about the stats people, unless your aaron bennet with 500+ runs opening the batting you dont have a case really.

you need to ask yourself the question, if your batting and you have a choice as to who you would rather have bowl to you trapolino or moules, ifould or butler, whats your answer?

if your running in to bowl who would you rather be bowling to, bryce garrard or hamish robertson, cam lintern or aaron dalitz? because dalitz has more runs this year than lintern must count for something right? lets put this in to context though, never mind the fact he bats top 2, gets a chance to score good runs every time he bats and has batted twice as many times as him. (nothing against az, just an example)

you can quote stats all you like but unless you put these stats into context they dont mean jack $hit. just remember nummy and chop have chosen a TEAM, not a side of individuals. i feel they have got it pretty well on the money with mostly younger guys with the ever green richie overarm and bryce garrard to offer experience.

[Jimmy Recard]

Stats definitely do not tell the story. I think its good the selectors have gone for a younger side to build for the future. Obviously not knowing all of the "younger" players a great deal do any of them have strong "leadership" qualities and if so would it be the worst thing to make a first year player captain... as a possible captain for the next generation of meyer shield?

Players should be picked based on their role within the side. If players X "stats" aren't as good as player Y stats but player X fits the role much better than player Y then X should be picked first. A successful team isn't built on stats. Look at Willunga the past two season. Statistically we haven't had the strongest 11 players but we have still won back to back premierships. Freak individual efforts have gone a long way to win these games (eg 5/1 inc. a hat-trick ) but more importantly everyone had a role and played that role to ensure we were the strongest team.

There is always going to be people who miss out but best of luck to the 11 players and I wish them all the best.

[Offcutter]

Stats definitely do not tell the story. I think its good the selectors have gone for a younger side to build for the future. Obviously not knowing all of the "younger" players a great deal do any of them have strong "leadership" qualities and if so would it be the worst thing to make a first year player captain... as a possible captain for the next generation of meyer shield?

Why are you using " " for younger and leadership? Is this sarcasm? Why don't you know all of the younger players? You play A Grade don't you?

[Jimmy Recard]

Stats definitely do not tell the story. I think its good the selectors have gone for a younger side to build for the future. Obviously not knowing all of the "younger" players a great deal do any of them have strong "leadership" qualities and if so would it be the worst thing to make a first year player captain... as a possible captain for the next generation of meyer shield?

Why are you using " " for younger and leadership? Is this sarcasm? Why don't you know all of the younger players? You play A Grade don't you?

Not sarcasm at all. Younger as in the first year players, eg Beveridge, Altus, Hicks ect. Playing against them twice a year doesn't mean you know the players leadership potential. It was more a question to people who play with them week in week out if they display leadership qualities in the inner sanctum of their respective clubs. Beveridge captained Enc Bay's T20 side so he has obvious leadership qualities but what about Altus... I'm sure yourself Offcutter or WIW24 could give us a much better idea of his leadership potential.

[Offcutter]

All I see here is Jimmy Recard pumping up Willunga. After wading through a heap of "player X", "player Y" gobbledegoop, you've slipped in the old "back to back" reference (again!!, new world record I'm thinking!!!) and how "you've" won premierships as a team, yet in the same post, talks about freak individual efforts??!!

Always gets back to Willunga. Maybe that is the real issue here? Jimmy, are you upset that there are "not many" Willunga guys in the Meyer Shield team? Is that the real problem here?

PS do you like the way I've adopted your "quotation mark" usage?

[Jimmy Recard]

Not at all Offcutter, I'm sorry but you have totally missed my point. The reference was "tongue in cheek", but you have obviously missed that. The only Willunga player who I believe could have been up for selection was Chad Franceschini. He has bowled well this year but unfortunately still needs to find consistency with his batting.

Despite what you may or may not think not every person who posts on here is trying have a go at something. I commend the GSCA for their approach to the side and as I stated previously wish the 11 players all the best and only want for them to succeed.

[Offcutter]

Yes, clearly I have missed you're "tongue in cheek" reference. Please spell out for me, just so we are all clear, which part of your post was "tongue in cheek"...

I sense some backpeddling from you here, Jimmy... your commendation of the GSCA doesn't quite seem sincere..

[Jimmy Recard]

Yes, clearly I have missed you're "tongue in cheek" reference. Please spell out for me, just so we are all clear, which part of your post was "tongue in cheek"...

I sense some backpeddling from you here, Jimmy... your commendation of the GSCA doesn't quite seem sincere..

I'll start with the first half of this above statement before proceeding to the second half.

If I have to spell it out I can only try, but considering your blatant lack of skills when noticing the obvious thus far you may still struggle to get it... but i'll try nevertheless.

Firstly I'll start with the definition of tongue in cheek. Tongue in cheek: When a statement is "tongue in cheek" it is ironic, slyly humorous; it is not meant to be taken seriously, however its sarcasm is subtle. (Reference: The Urban Dictionary 2013, Tongue in Cheek, viewed 18 January 2013, <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tongue%20in%20cheek>).

The fact that I was obviously referring to myself made this comment tongue in cheek.

Freak individual efforts have gone a long way to win these games (eg 5/1 inc. a hat-trick ) but more importantly everyone had a role and played that role to ensure we were the strongest team.

But if your not convinced lets break down the definition of tongue in cheek and see if it matches up.

Firstly is this incident ironic? Well lets define ironic. Ironic: A situation where the result is a complete reverse (and practical mockery) of what was expected (Reference The Urban Dictionary 2013, Ironic, viewed 18 January 2013, <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ironic>)
Even the supreme optimist I am I could have never envisioned taking 5 wickets including a hat-trick whilst only conceding 1 run in last years grand final. This was very much "the complete reverse of what was expected" (considering Mt Compass only required 70 more runs with 6 wickets in hand when I came on to bowl) and considering I wouldn't be the most feared bowler in our attack this does indeed make this incident ironic.

Secondly was this comment slyly humorous and not meant to be taken seriously?
I believe so. Again as I am obviously referring to myself and using the very cheeky emoticon so it is clear that I am indeed stirring the pot and therefore the comment was made with no intention of readers taking it seriously... you were obviously an anomaly Offcutter.

Finally was the sarcasm subtle?
The subtleness in the sarcasm is evident as not all readers would have known I was making a comment about myself, even though I make no fact of hiding my identity. "Freak individual effort" is emotive language and very much said sarcastically as a precursor to the sporting cliche "a successful team isn't made up of individuals".

Here I have presented overwhelming evidence that my original statement was indeed written "tongue in cheek". I hope I have managed "spell it out" clearly enough so all element of doubt on the matter has been removed. If at any stage you get stuck please refer to the original definition and if you are still struggling with the concept do not hesitate to PM.



Secondly I have been very much supportive of the GSCA's selection the whole way through. The below quote from myself was from Wed Jan 16, 9:46am, after I had seen the side.

You would think either Kuss or Hicks would have to be 12th man. The selectors are obviously trying to build a core group of youngsters for the future which is good to see with only Overall, Bennett, Garrard and Butler over the age of 25. Hopefully the boys can get the job done and bring home some silverware.

This next quote was from earlier this evening Thu Jan 17, 8:08 pm, in response to other comments made.

I think its good the selectors have gone for a younger side to build for the future.

I then went onto to ask the question

would it be the worst thing to make a first year player captain... as a possible captain for the next generation of meyer shield?

I strongly believe that why not give the likes of Beveridge or Altus the captaincy as a long term prospect to lead the next generation of Crays!

Reading back over my posts I am struggling to see how I have not been consistent in my appraisal of the GSCA Meyer Shield selections and have all been meant with the upmost sincerity. I have discussed three individual selections (Hicks, Kuss & Chambers - Invitational XI) but simply stated that either Hicks or Kuss would have to be 12th man (most likely Kuss) and that Chambers was a surprise for the Invitational XI. Chambers a lot of potential but hasn't set the A Grade on fire by any means. Why not reward a young player like Ashton-Place as our Invitational player and test him out against quality opposition and see if he is able to have a similar impact.

This whole forum is about posting opinions and having discussions so it's good to see a bit of life back into it!

[WestIndiesWonder24]

Jimmy u Flogger WTF

This is a cricket post forum not a fuc*ing defination page, common lads talk cricket not this petty definition shi*.

I would be more worried about chasing the 280+ in order to get the points this week against the bays.

OVER AND OUT

WIW24

[WestIndiesWonder24]

p.s

That Ashton place comment in the invitation side is the most bullshi* ive ever heard. If Yank are too soft in order not to have an A Grade, Why reward their club with an association selection.

B Grade standard is pretty Poor compared to A Grade thesedays, why not put dave wenham or graeme filke in the association side or Adrian Barnes from Port Elliot, or Go the full Hog with Encounter Bay and have Timmy Kov as Opening batsman with Tony Eden!!!!!

[Black Duck]

Genius Jimmy! Thanks for clarifying your seemingly harmless comments. Cool your heels Offcutter!

[Tony]

WOW Fans ...settle down ****!!!!!! I could nt even read all of that, i just got totally lost

LOL should be a "nice game" between Willunga & Mc Larens..!!!! Im personaly looking forward to Rapid Bay and someone bowling 110km bouncers at me..

Sooo lets all go back to playing nice on here!! The 2 young lads from Yank can really play, have no dought about that W.I.W. if Yank did go into the A grade it would be great for the comp BUT they have little bowling and i feel would really struggle, need more than 2-3 players to be really compeditive!!

Jimmy you really turned it up Mate a younger Captain would be idea but we just couldnt pick one out, suggestions?? Richie is bloody old but has a cool head will and clearly has the experience for it, and his bowling fits the TEAM nicely!! Just hope he does'nt roll a smoke on the field!!!! LOL

Hoping people will go and watch the game at Flagstaff Hill 10am, be positve and support the TEAM!!!!!!!

Timmy Kov(C) waz in the mix with Keeny, Grovesy, K. Vincent, M Rowley and A Jacobs.. stay solid!!!!!

[Richard Chee Quee]

WOW Fans ...settle down ****!!!!!! I could nt even read all of that, i just got totally lost

LOL should be a "nice game" between Willunga & Mc Larens..!!!! Im personaly looking forward to Rapid Bay and someone bowling 110km bouncers at me..

Sooo lets all go back to playing nice on here!! The 2 young lads from Yank can really play, have no dought about that W.I.W. if Yank did go into the A grade it would be great for the comp BUT they have little bowling and i feel would really struggle, need more than 2-3 players to be really compeditive!!

Jimmy you really turned it up Mate a younger Captain would be idea but we just couldnt pick one out, suggestions?? Richie is bloody old but has a cool head will and clearly has the experience for it, and his bowling fits the TEAM nicely!! Just hope he does'nt roll a smoke on the field!!!! LOL

Hoping people will go and watch the game at Flagstaff Hill 10am, be positve and support the TEAM!!!!!!!

Timmy Kov(C) waz in the mix with Keeny, Grovesy, K. Vincent, M Rowley and A Jacobs.. stay solid!!!!!

i also hear that dave carter, gus vasarelli and travis tilson were in the mix as well. all pretty unlucky in my opinion

[WestIndiesWonder24]

im going to pop down and have a look next sat ill seya down there boys!!!!!

[WestIndiesWonder24]

Timmy Kov(C) waz in the mix with Keeny, Grovesy, K. Vincent, M Rowley and A Jacobs.. stay solid!!!!![/quote]

i also hear that dave carter, gus vasarelli and travis tilson were in the mix as well. all pretty unlucky in my opinion[/quote]

I was hearing Gavin Smith was Captain and was supplying Trophies after the game to Sam Braidwood

[Hugh Dalloway]

Genius Jimmy! Thanks for clarifying your seemingly harmless comments. Cool your heels Offcutter!

Fair post Jimmy totally agree with Black Duck. Can't see anything Jimmy said as sarcastic or not sincere, looks as if Offcutter just misread the comment. Then Jimmy "briefly" explained it

Anyway couple of big second half of games this week.

Mt Compass 180 V McLaren 3/40 the big one. McLaren desperate for a win as they haven't been in great form of late. Tied game with Goolwa then getting absolutely belted by Encounter Bay if they lose this then it's not looking good for McLaren. Big challenge for their two young guns Altus and Chambers these two need to score the majority of the runs otherwise it could be an early finish.

Aldinga 232 V Rapid Bay 0/25 should also be another close match. Bennett is the key, if he scores runs they should win if not it would be hard for them. Although I can't see the top 4 changing, who ever wins this match would be the only side that could possibly break into the 4.

Encounter Bay 282 V Willunga 0/5. Willunga haven't made many runs all year so Encounter Bay should do this easy. Willunga would need one of their top 3 - Harding, Elliott, McPhail to make a big big score if they are any chance of chasing the runs.

Goolwa 216 V Pt Elliot - In the local derby Goolwa holds the upper hand. Although Pt Elliot is a quick oval Goolwa should be able to hold them off and record their first win for the season.

[Jimmy Recard]

WOW Fans ...settle down ****!!!!!! I could nt even read all of that, i just got totally lost

Sooo lets all go back to playing nice on here!! The 2 young lads from Yank can really play, have no dought about that W.I.W. if Yank did go into the A grade it would be great for the comp BUT they have little bowling and i feel would really struggle, need more than 2-3 players to be really compeditive!!

Sorry to lose you Tony... I'm a big fan of your work! Agree that both Ashton-Place and Bartlett can play. Ashton-Place has already scored a massive 638 runs avg 78 with 3 games left, which is more runs than Bennett last year who scored 611 runs avg 50. Obviously there is a big difference between A Grade and B Grade but to score those runs should still be worthy of a look.

Jimmy you really turned it up Mate a younger Captain would be idea but we just couldnt pick one out, suggestions?? Richie is bloody old but has a cool head will and clearly has the experience for it, and his bowling fits the TEAM nicely!! Just hope he does'nt roll a smoke on the field!!!! LOL

And that's fair enough. That's why I asked the question if any of the younger players already possessed leadership qualities that would be capable of the job. I think Richie will do the job very well! He won't have to stand at square leg so not rolling a smoke should be ok

[Offcutter]

To all fellow posters, and in particular to you Jimmy..

Please accept my humble and unreserved apology for my previous posts. You caught me at an emotional time, and although it may have seemed that I was seeking to stir the pot a little, it was clearly the emotions I was dealing with at the time that resulted in my obviously poor diatribe. If I have offended, again I apologise, and to highlight, I’ll even attempt to insert a smiley face or something here.. hope that worked.

Jimmy, to be honest I haven’t read your response in detail.. I saw a whole heap of bold lettering, more of those emoticon thingies, and italicised wording, and it started to hurt my head. I probably wouldn’t have understood it too well anyway, as I did attend Willunga HS.


It appears we all have the Meyer Shield team who will represent us (the GSCA) at heart here, given the passionate and pointed discussions taking place. Whether we think Grovesy should be in the team instead of Altus or not ( that’s a “no-brainer” for me), we are all on the same page by the sounds of it, and hopefully further, less heated discussions result.

Jimmy, hopefully you see this as what it is, my version of a mea culpa if you will (from the Latin, meaning “my fault” or “my mistake”).

Hopefully my posts aren’t weighing on you too heavily, and we can move on. I know you are a key part of the run chase for you guys tomorrow, and you will need a clear head to contribute. Oh how I wish that I was batting tomorrow, however since I have already been dismissed, I have to watch a couple of punk kids go about their business.

I too will attempt to attend the game next Saturday, and support whoever is in the team. Would love to see Grovesy at work.