APPS

[OnSong]

So does an ex SANFL player from your club attract points if they want to come straight back ???

If they played juniors at your club, no.

[nuggety goodness]

So does an ex SANFL player from your club attract points if they want to come straight back ???

If they played juniors at your club, no.

Or if they've played 25 or more games for your club....... or is my info off?

[OnSong]

So does an ex SANFL player from your club attract points if they want to come straight back ???

If they played juniors at your club, no.

Or if they've played 25 or more games for your club....... or is my info off?

That too.

[Footy Smart]

See with sensible discussion all can be resolved

['00'02'03'07]

Mr Hart, what a mess! Hopefully the following allieviates any confusion:

any player recruited into your club, for the 2011 season, from another SAAFL club will be allocated three (3) points for Div 1-3 players and two (2) points for Div 4-7 players. Any player recruited from North Pines, Ovingham or Wingfield Royals will be allocated two (2) points as this player has played “A” grade at that club.

As indicated earlier ALL EXISTING players registered at your club who currently have a “Player Point Rating” of one (1) or above will automatically drop one (1) point for the 2011 season. (ie. John Smith transferred from SAAFL club A to SAAFL club B in March 2010 and was allocated one point. If John Smith continues to play with SAAFL Club B during 2011 he will automatically drop to zero points)

Hey Footy Chick. Was just wondering. What if a player returns to a club which he has previously played for? How does the player points work then?

[OnSong]

Mr Hart, what a mess! Hopefully the following allieviates any confusion:

any player recruited into your club, for the 2011 season, from another SAAFL club will be allocated three (3) points for Div 1-3 players and two (2) points for Div 4-7 players. Any player recruited from North Pines, Ovingham or Wingfield Royals will be allocated two (2) points as this player has played “A” grade at that club.

As indicated earlier ALL EXISTING players registered at your club who currently have a “Player Point Rating” of one (1) or above will automatically drop one (1) point for the 2011 season. (ie. John Smith transferred from SAAFL club A to SAAFL club B in March 2010 and was allocated one point. If John Smith continues to play with SAAFL Club B during 2011 he will automatically drop to zero points)

Hey Footy Chick. Was just wondering. What if a player returns to a club which he has previously played for? How does the player points work then?

Junior or 25 games, zero points. Otherwise maximum value.

[zedman]

yeah..doesnt hurt to have discussions on points of conjecture but in the end we want whats good football..urggh cliche

Let's just take it one week at a time

yeah that one to

[Shirtfront]

So we are putting a points system in to encourage the home grown talent. I can understand that. It pretty much has put the last nail in the coffin for teams like Kilburn though.
I pose a question, if player A has played over 100 games for his club, could he be worth -1 point?? Also possibly 150 games -2, over 200 -3. Obvioulsy player A has committed to the club concerned, maybe the league would reward that team by putting some points in credit?

[OnSong]

So we are putting a points system in to encourage the home grown talent. I can understand that. It pretty much has put the last nail in the coffin for teams like Kilburn though.
I pose a question, if player A has played over 100 games for his club, could he be worth -1 point?? Also possibly 150 games -2, over 200 -3. Obvioulsy player A has committed to the club concerned, maybe the league would reward that team by putting some points in credit?

How would that promote/encourage nurturing junior players?

[Shirtfront]

So we are putting a points system in to encourage the home grown talent. I can understand that. It pretty much has put the last nail in the coffin for teams like Kilburn though.
I pose a question, if player A has played over 100 games for his club, could he be worth -1 point?? Also possibly 150 games -2, over 200 -3. Obvioulsy player A has committed to the club concerned, maybe the league would reward that team by putting some points in credit?

How would that promote/encourage nurturing junior players?[/quote

I would suggest it would kick clubs into gear to try and nuture their young talent into 100 + game players and therefore receive a bonus with points credit.

[OnSong]

So we are putting a points system in to encourage the home grown talent. I can understand that. It pretty much has put the last nail in the coffin for teams like Kilburn though.
I pose a question, if player A has played over 100 games for his club, could he be worth -1 point?? Also possibly 150 games -2, over 200 -3. Obvioulsy player A has committed to the club concerned, maybe the league would reward that team by putting some points in credit?

How would that promote/encourage nurturing junior players?

I would suggest it would kick clubs into gear to try and nuture their young talent into 100 + game players and therefore receive a bonus with points credit.

By making a senior player minus points, you're making more room to bring in more players from outside your club and not bring your juniors through.
You could get the same incentive from playing one 300 game veteran as blooding three rookies, I don't think that's helping promote the juniors.

[Shirtfront]

So we are putting a points system in to encourage the home grown talent. I can understand that. It pretty much has put the last nail in the coffin for teams like Kilburn though.
I pose a question, if player A has played over 100 games for his club, could he be worth -1 point?? Also possibly 150 games -2, over 200 -3. Obvioulsy player A has committed to the club concerned, maybe the league would reward that team by putting some points in credit?

How would that promote/encourage nurturing junior players?

I would suggest it would kick clubs into gear to try and nuture their young talent into 100 + game players and therefore receive a bonus with points credit.

By making a senior player minus points, you're making more room to bring in more players from outside your club and not bring your juniors through.
You could get the same incentive from playing one 300 game veteran as blooding three rookies, I don't think that's helping promote the juniors.

Again, may argument is, by putting the time into your rookies to hopefully make them 100 + players, they already will feel wanted and probably stay at the club for longer than before. If you have these rookies playing up to 100 games of A grade footy, i would suggest the need to look elsewhere for 'big name players' would not be as demanding.

Its just a suggestion anyways, we can agree to disagree.

[LaughingKookaburra]

Shortfall in that is what is stopping clubs naming the player in question in the C's when they don't play. What if they name them to double up ect....Too many loop holes in what otherwise sounds like a very logical idea... Maybe further study gives it merit.

[Trader]

Shortfall in that is what is stopping clubs naming the player in question in the C's when they don't play. What if they name them to double up ect....Too many loop holes in what otherwise sounds like a very logical idea... Maybe further study gives it merit.

What is the benifit of them doing that?

[7-Dog]

In our local paper today, it confirms that our league - Spencer Gulf (SGL) has officially adopted the points system for 2011.

I rang my club deligate to confirm a few things:
He has said that all new recruits for season 2011 are worth 3 points, SANFL 4 points etc (as we are all aware of)
He also mentioned that last years recruits are worth 0. Yet by other posts on here, it was mentioned they still maybe worth 1 point.
Anyone from the leagues that don't adopt the point system are worth 0 points.
25 games at your club are worth 0.

There are a few things I think could fall into grey area for my team/club
25 Games played for your club - We have 2 different situations. 1 young lad has moved to Adelaide for school, played all his junior footy with us and in the last 2 years has been cleared between us & a Div3 team - not sure if he has played 25 games.
The other may have played 25 games, or just short of. His family is apart of our club. If he plays his 25th game this year, does he go from 3 points to 0 in the season? (if he attracts points initially)

Another footballer has moved due to work and for the past 2 seasons has played reserves in the HFL League, has played A's in the HFL previously. Would/Should he be 3 points? His father is also a past player.
Another footballer hasn't played football for 2 seasons, previously Div 2 I believe. Is he worth 3 points?

[OnSong]

In our local paper today, it confirms that our league - Spencer Gulf (SGL) has officially adopted the points system for 2011.

I rang my club deligate to confirm a few things:
He has said that all new recruits for season 2011 are worth 3 points, SANFL 4 points etc (as we are all aware of)
He also mentioned that last years recruits are worth 0. Yet by other posts on here, it was mentioned they still maybe worth 1 point.
Anyone from the leagues that don't adopt the point system are worth 0 points.
25 games at your club are worth 0.

There are a few things I think could fall into grey area for my team/club
25 Games played for your club - We have 2 different situations. 1 young lad has moved to Adelaide for school, played all his junior footy with us and in the last 2 years has been cleared between us & a Div3 team - not sure if he has played 25 games.
The other may have played 25 games, or just short of. His family is apart of our club. If he plays his 25th game this year, does he go from 3 points to 0 in the season? (if he attracts points initially)

Another footballer has moved due to work and for the past 2 seasons has played reserves in the HFL League, has played A's in the HFL previously. Would/Should he be 3 points? His father is also a past player.
Another footballer hasn't played football for 2 seasons, previously Div 2 I believe. Is he worth 3 points?

Ok, don't know what bylaws the SGL may have introduced this year, but here's my interpretation as per the basic structure of the APPS:

He also mentioned that last years recruits are worth 0. Yet by other posts on here, it was mentioned they still maybe worth 1 point.

Not sure about this, depends on how your league applies it. Some leagues are stipulating recruits last year that would have been worth three points are worth two points for the 2011 season. Can vary though.

1 young lad has moved to Adelaide for school, played all his junior footy with us and in the last 2 years has been cleared between us & a Div3 team - not sure if he has played 25 games.

If he played junior footy AT YOUR CLUB, he is 0 points.

he other may have played 25 games, or just short of. His family is apart of our club. If he plays his 25th game this year, does he go from 3 points to 0 in the season? (if he attracts points initially)

Pretty sure if he hasn't played 25 games, 3 points for the season. Not sure what the case would be next year though. Family ties doesn't have pulling power though, either junior footy or 25 previous games, otherwise 3 points.

Another footballer hasn't played football for 2 seasons, previously Div 2 I believe. Is he worth 3 points?

No footy for 24 months, 0 points.

[7-Dog]

Cheers Onsong, thanks for clearing a few up.

Just clarifying the Junior at my club. I expected the junior I mentioned to be worth 0, but I also have another lad who is coming back to the club.

However his junior footy was U/11, 13's & 1st year U/15's. He then played for another SGL team for 1 year, before moving to another SGL club where he played his Under 18 footy. He also played league footy for that club.

I am assuming that he really wouldn't be considered "OUR" junior, but not sure on this one.

[X Runna]

Cheers Onsong, thanks for clearing a few up.

Just clarifying the Junior at my club. I expected the junior I mentioned to be worth 0, but I also have another lad who is coming back to the club.

However his junior footy was U/11, 13's & 1st year U/15's. He then played for another SGL team for 1 year, before moving to another SGL club where he played his Under 18 footy. He also played league footy for that club.

I am assuming that he really wouldn't be considered "OUR" junior, but not sure on this one.

He's yours........zero points

[LaughingKookaburra]

Probably know the answer already but what if a player passes 25 games mid season for their club. Are they then worth 0 points after that time or do they have to be past 25 games at seasons start??

[Blacks130]

Probably know the answer already but what if a player passes 25 games mid season for their club. Are they then worth 0 points after that time or do they have to be past 25 games at seasons start??

From what I understand it doesn't matter either way. That is, a player carrying points doesn't lose his rating once he plays his 25th game. If he's worth a point he stays a point until that point reduces at the start of the next season.