The South Australian Political Landscape

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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Grahaml » Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:57 am

Mr Beefy wrote:
Grahaml wrote:Seems the search term has been released. Reading the paper today it's a weird thing but the incriminating part is the use of the word "tiny". Have to say, you'd have a hard time convinving me that's how you search specifically for child porn as opposed to slim or short porn. If (and that's obviously a big if) that is the entire basis of this case then given he's lost his job and the publicity surrounding this is so enormous, I'm inclined to think his request to not have a conviction recorded had merit.

No doubt at all anyone who goes out looking for child porn deserves to suffer for the rest of their lives. But I just can't bring myself to say for sure that there was anything in this that shows an intent to break the law or even negligence that he should have known.

"tiny" is only in one of the search terms he used, some of the others seemed quite specific to me


That was the only one I saw. The article gave the impression that was the term they took issue with. Unless I missed a chunk. News limited journalists aren't exactly the most readable writers I've come across.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Mr Beefy » Tue Dec 08, 2015 12:00 pm

Grahaml wrote:
Mr Beefy wrote:
Grahaml wrote:Seems the search term has been released. Reading the paper today it's a weird thing but the incriminating part is the use of the word "tiny". Have to say, you'd have a hard time convinving me that's how you search specifically for child porn as opposed to slim or short porn. If (and that's obviously a big if) that is the entire basis of this case then given he's lost his job and the publicity surrounding this is so enormous, I'm inclined to think his request to not have a conviction recorded had merit.

No doubt at all anyone who goes out looking for child porn deserves to suffer for the rest of their lives. But I just can't bring myself to say for sure that there was anything in this that shows an intent to break the law or even negligence that he should have known.

"tiny" is only in one of the search terms he used, some of the others seemed quite specific to me


That was the only one I saw. The article gave the impression that was the term they took issue with. Unless I missed a chunk. News limited journalists aren't exactly the most readable writers I've come across.

When I heard the 9 news report they mentioned a few others. Can't remember what they were now but I guess when he is sentenced all might be revealed.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:23 am

Grahaml wrote:
Mr Beefy wrote:
Grahaml wrote:Seems the search term has been released. Reading the paper today it's a weird thing but the incriminating part is the use of the word "tiny". Have to say, you'd have a hard time convinving me that's how you search specifically for child porn as opposed to slim or short porn. If (and that's obviously a big if) that is the entire basis of this case then given he's lost his job and the publicity surrounding this is so enormous, I'm inclined to think his request to not have a conviction recorded had merit.

No doubt at all anyone who goes out looking for child porn deserves to suffer for the rest of their lives. But I just can't bring myself to say for sure that there was anything in this that shows an intent to break the law or even negligence that he should have known.

"tiny" is only in one of the search terms he used, some of the others seemed quite specific to me


That was the only one I saw. The article gave the impression that was the term they took issue with. Unless I missed a chunk. News limited journalists aren't exactly the most readable writers I've come across.


Sean Fewster would've been the reporter on much of this case - he is a fantastic writer. Very talented and has a great reputation.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby stan » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:06 am

Whilst all this talk of Finnigan is great, lets not t let the issue of poor job stats go under the rug. Only a quater of what was predicted in the last budget in regards to job growth.

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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:57 am

Dogwatcher wrote:Sean Fewster would've been the reporter on much of this case - he is a fantastic writer. Very talented and has a great reputation.


Although I don't know him personally, he seems pretty intense (mind you I probably do as well)
I read his book "City of Evil" - I thought it was a bit skimpy.
There was a lot more to many of the events that didn't make it to the book that would have made it more interesting - it seemed to just scratch the surface
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:00 pm

That's possible.
In terms of court reporting, he's second to none.
I guess, translating that writing to a longer form, particularly early in your career, would be a challenge.
I haven't read the book you're referring to, however.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:08 pm

Dogwatcher wrote:That's possible.
In terms of court reporting, he's second to none.
I guess, translating that writing to a longer form, particularly early in your career, would be a challenge.
I haven't read the book you're referring to, however.


Its an interesting read DW
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:12 pm

I've got to be honest, I haven't picked it up as I didn't feel it really covered any new ground.
All the stories felt like they'd been told before in previous books.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Booney » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:25 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:That's possible.
In terms of court reporting, he's second to none.
I guess, translating that writing to a longer form, particularly early in your career, would be a challenge.
I haven't read the book you're referring to, however.


Its an interesting read DW


I've read City of Evil, very interesting read. Many of the "knowns" I'm sure Fewster would have been privvy to that have never been made public would be just as chilling.

The Derek Pedley book, Dead by Friday, about the Kevin Matthews and Michelle Burgess murder of Carolyn Matthews is a mind boggling read. Their front, their complete contempt for everything and everyone around them is unbelievable.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Booney » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:26 pm

Finnigan gets a conviction, he gets a 15 month ( 8 month non parole ) period suspended on a $1000, 3 year good behavior bond.

His name will remain on the Sex Offenders register until 2023.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Gozu » Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:34 pm

Booney wrote:Finnigan gets a conviction, he gets a 15 month ( 8 month non parole ) period suspended on a $1000, 3 year good behavior bond.

His name will remain on the Sex Offenders register until 2023.


The Judge said he refused to admit guilt and showed no remorse.

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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Magellan » Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:10 pm

Dogwatcher wrote:In terms of court reporting, he's second to none.

Hang on a tick. In terms of successfully coaching an SANFL league side Ken McGregor makes a wonderful court reporter.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby OnSong » Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:08 pm

Dogwatcher wrote:That's possible.
In terms of court reporting, he's second to none.
I guess, translating that writing to a longer form, particularly early in your career, would be a challenge.
I haven't read the book you're referring to, however.

Michael Robotham took a similar path. Golden Dagger winner.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Sun Dec 13, 2015 7:41 pm

RIP John bannon
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Magellan » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:05 am

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:RIP John bannon

Yes, RIP. Former number 1 ticket holder of North Adelaide.

A mixed legacy for SA's longest serving Labor premier - Grand Prix, subs, casino, but also the MFP and the State Bank. Unfortunately, the State Bank disaster will be how many remember him.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Booney » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:40 am

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:RIP John bannon


The State Bank fall was right at the time I began to show an interesting in current affairs, right across the world. As an 11 year old I was just getting an interest in politics, how things were run ( and since, becoming more cynical I couldn't care less ) and this was as big as a story got in Adelaide in the 80's.

It is unfortunate that the name Bannon was synonymous with the State Bank affair and not the legacy he left in many other areas. The 80's in South Australia was a real period of transition into the "new" world and Bannon guided us (most of the time successfully) through that.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jimmy_041 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:10 pm

Magellan wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:RIP John bannon

Yes, RIP. Former number 1 ticket holder of North Adelaide.

A mixed legacy for SA's longest serving Labor premier - Grand Prix, subs, casino, but also the MFP and the State Bank. Unfortunately, the State Bank disaster will be how many remember him.


Dont forget SGIC and 333 Collins Street (amongst other things they got themselves into.)
At the time, SGIC had a massive options book all based on inflated building valuations, and were the main international re-insurer of wait for it: satellite insurance and space risk. Apparently, we knew how to do these risks better than anyone in the World
All very well for people to say (now) that they kept these institutions at arms length, but it wasn't the case at the time, and the directors were all appointed by the government.
Notwithstanding, there was an Australia wide crash and we were part of it. It wasn't an SA phenomenon

There was a book printed in 2002 "Things Fall apart : A History of the State Bank of South Australia" by Greg McCarthy but I cant find it anywhere - anyone got a copy?
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Mr Beefy » Tue Dec 15, 2015 8:39 am

Grahaml wrote:
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Grahaml wrote:Seems the search term has been released. Reading the paper today it's a weird thing but the incriminating part is the use of the word "tiny". Have to say, you'd have a hard time convinving me that's how you search specifically for child porn as opposed to slim or short porn. If (and that's obviously a big if) that is the entire basis of this case then given he's lost his job and the publicity surrounding this is so enormous, I'm inclined to think his request to not have a conviction recorded had merit.

No doubt at all anyone who goes out looking for child porn deserves to suffer for the rest of their lives. But I just can't bring myself to say for sure that there was anything in this that shows an intent to break the law or even negligence that he should have known.

"tiny" is only in one of the search terms he used, some of the others seemed quite specific to me


That was the only one I saw. The article gave the impression that was the term they took issue with. Unless I missed a chunk. News limited journalists aren't exactly the most readable writers I've come across.

http://www.courts.sa.gov.au/SentencingRemarks/Pages/lightbox.aspx?IsDlg=1&Filter=4301
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue Dec 15, 2015 9:57 am

Mr Beefy wrote:
Grahaml wrote:
Mr Beefy wrote:
Grahaml wrote:Seems the search term has been released. Reading the paper today it's a weird thing but the incriminating part is the use of the word "tiny". Have to say, you'd have a hard time convinving me that's how you search specifically for child porn as opposed to slim or short porn. If (and that's obviously a big if) that is the entire basis of this case then given he's lost his job and the publicity surrounding this is so enormous, I'm inclined to think his request to not have a conviction recorded had merit.

No doubt at all anyone who goes out looking for child porn deserves to suffer for the rest of their lives. But I just can't bring myself to say for sure that there was anything in this that shows an intent to break the law or even negligence that he should have known.

"tiny" is only in one of the search terms he used, some of the others seemed quite specific to me


That was the only one I saw. The article gave the impression that was the term they took issue with. Unless I missed a chunk. News limited journalists aren't exactly the most readable writers I've come across.

http://www.courts.sa.gov.au/SentencingRemarks/Pages/lightbox.aspx?IsDlg=1&Filter=4301


Here's the 94 page full judgement: http://www5.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sign ... C/2015/166
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