Navy intercepts seventh boat of asylum-seekers in two months

[Gozu]

you got it. It seems everything is blamed on tony. Ok the Australian government said they would take response for the boats in Indonesia waters, but 50 mtrs of their coast line ....FFS yeah ok.

And before BP2 responds, I would say the same for the labor party if they had that issue on that day

Hide the boats.

[Bully]

so today there has been a story of asylum seekers being beaten and forced to hold hot pipes which burnt hands.

The forces have since stated these are lies and untrue

Will be interesting the out come of this story

[bennymacca]

should have used this topic instead of the abbott one for our other conversations on the subject, good bump

its an interesting one.

to me, in these situations, it seems to be a "where there's smoke there's fire". there seems to be more motivation for the Navy to say that it didnt happen than it does for the asylum seekers to make something like this up. especially when burns are physical evidence.


Also in regards to what happened last week when the Navy "accidentally" went into Indonesian waters, i have absolutely no doubt in my mind that there is no way they could accidentally be off course by that much. all of the recent statements seem to be damage control in my mind.

Disclosure: i am a defence civilian and have been on navy ships before, but i dont know anything other than what i have read in the press

[The Sleeping Giant]

Let's put it into perspective. Navy personnel are being drilled to do everything by the book with boat people. They are being watched like Hawks.
Asylum seekers are swallowing nail clippers, sewing mouths shut and going on hunger strikes.

[bennymacca]

Let's put it into perspective. Navy personnel are being drilled to do everything by the book with boat people. They are being watched like Hawks.
Asylum seekers are swallowing nail clippers, sewing mouths shut and going on hunger strikes.

they are not being watched like hawks though, scott morrisson is deliberately shielding them from such scrutiny! It is the Jakarta Post that most of these stories are breaking through

and navy people do what they are told, if that is bending the rules slightly, they do it without a question asked, as they should

[bennymacca]

not sure how reporting allegations made by people is "sledging". seems to me that the minister is trying to promote a closed shop mentality whereby you dont criticise the forces. especially when the allegations are not entirely baseless. (i.e they have a video, so even if proven to be not true it still warrants further investigation) i had hoped we were moving away from that, given what has happened in recent years

i also dont think asylum seekers have much of a motivation for fabricating stories - they are still going to manus island or nauru regardless of what they say or do. i mean its possible that they deliberately burned themselves in the hope that it would give them access to australia for medical attention, but there hasnt been any mention of that as yet.

worth an enquiry at least.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/j ... alian-navy

[The Sleeping Giant]

Who has the most to gain out of these allegations? Not going to argue with you. It seems you have made up your mind.

[bennymacca]

Who has the most to gain out of these allegations? Not going to argue with you. It seems you have made up your mind.

out of these allegations? asylum seekers of course.

but if they are true? would the government want them discredited? of course they would

thats why i think an enquiry is warranted.

the report does say the ABC has video evidence, they didnt post a link to it, but im sure there will be an enquiry

[The Sleeping Giant]

ABC were on a navy boat filming were they?

[bennymacca]

ABC were on a navy boat filming were they?

What? Of course not. What sort of a question is that?

[Ronnie]

The ABC are up to their usual stunts it would appear.
The Navy have denied the lurid allegations. In the absence of any evidence that Naval personnel actually had anything to do with the physical condition of their accusers, i find it utterly offensive that the word of a group or people with high credibilty (Australian Naval personnel) are being put on a par with a handful of asylum seekers who have absolutely no credibility in their personal behaviour and have no regard for Australian law. I can't for the life of me treat the word of the two groups the same, to do so i'd have to suspend all sense and logic.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Sad that our fellow citizens are quick to believe a certain group with flimsy proof rather than their country men protecting our borders.

[bennymacca]

In my view the navy have been dealt a shit sandwich by the government. It shouldn't be their job to deal with asylum seekers, their job is to defend Australia.

It is entirely possible that something like this happened inadvertently too by the way - navy people board a boat, tell asylum seekers to stand with their hands holding pipe so they control the situation, navy people don't realise it is as hot as asylum seekers say.

It doesn't have to be nefarious or torture or something, but even so they would still be under instructions from the government to deny.

Once again, the asylum seekers could just be making it up, but, if the abc has some footage like they say they do, it surely warrants at least an investigation, not an outright attack from Morrison don't you think?

[The Sleeping Giant]

Nope. 7 people got slightly burnt hands. No need to waste more money and time on something trivial.

[bennymacca]

Nope. 7 people got slightly burnt hands. No need to waste more money and time on something trivial.

so you have seen the video?

[The Sleeping Giant]

The abc news video? Yes.

[Jimmy_041]

Sounds like the burglar who fell through your ceiling and sues you.
F### them
We'll be sued for sunburn next

[Bully]

so 5 weeks without a boat arrival

also apparently the Indonesian government would not have known that the Australian navy entered their waters if the Australian Navy didn't apologise for doing it

[Q.]

How many have been diverted in the five weeks?

[bennymacca]

so 5 weeks without a boat arrival

also apparently the Indonesian government would not have known that the Australian navy entered their waters if the Australian Navy didn't apologise for doing it

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-24/g ... rs/5217866

notice the very tricky wording. they have turned back numerous boats, and also taken 55 asylum seekers to offshore detention centres in the last week.

so none have been "disembarked in australia" but that doesnt mean they are not still coming.