Federal Government proposes a price on carbon.

[straight talker]

r&b i am sick of you also saying everything you read is correct and anything else is either wrong or from crack sites! everyone is entitled to there opinion and just because they may be different to yours does not mean they are incorrect. So i will post things that i believe in and if i think there is some merit in what i am saying im sure i am able to post it.

[redandblack]

Mate, you have posted heaps on here and no-one has stopped you. If you link to sites that don't believe in evolution, or want to secede from Queensland, I'm also entitled to say they're crackpot sites.

I've never said everything I read is correct or that others are wrong. Posters link to articles they find interesting or add to the debate. They do that so we can all have a read and give our opinion and perhaps learn something new.

All I've asked you (and which you agreed to) is that you don't just keep posting statements of opinion as fact.

As I said, no-one has stopped you posting anything at all. Some (on both sides of the debate) have given you some advice to be a little more constructive.

[tipper]

ok, ST, whilst i have enjoyed reading some of your, lets say, outlandish statements i think it is time to give it up. trust me when i say that i dont think that anyone on here has been picking on you.

i rarely venture to post anything in this part of the forum, and when i have i will admit i dont think i did it in the most eloquent way, and was subsequently hammered! (so i actually have some sympathy for your position) i do however frequently read this section. (i think i am trying to learn more about the political goings on in this country, and who better to learn from than level headed footy fans ) all that the "regulars" here have asked is that when you post your claims, you back them up with some sort of evidence.

you have to admit, that when you use links to groups to support your views, and those groups also espouse some pretty out there (for want of better words) ideas, (are there really people that still deny evolution????), it does nothing but undermine your argument. even i can see they are not exactly credible sources.

there comes a time in a debate\discussion\argument when you must either acknowledge that you have either lost the argument, and concede defeat, or agree to disagree. i see several posts where others have offered the second option, but you refuse to take it. you are no longer beating a dead horse, you have beaten the horse to paste, you are now beating a paste horse.....

[straight talker]

ok i see unemployment up .2% today! weekly news at 5 oclock.

[redandblack]

Groan

Another percent or two and it will approach the Howard years level.

st, compare it with the rest of the world where unemployment is closer to 10% in many western countries.

[fish]

...why do some get payed to pollute and not others? But no-body on this site knows the answer!

I must have missed this ST - who is being paid to pollute? And by whom?

[fish]

I read this article in The Adelaide Review today - sums things up pretty well I reckon...

It is time to take the political heat out of the climate change debate and get behind global efforts to bring about a sharp reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. The consequences of inaction should overwhelm concerns about the cost of action, particularly given the magnitude of the compensation package accompanying the Gillard Government’s climate
change program.

Reluctance to accept the economic and social reforms that are needed to tackle global warming is not surprising. It must seem inconceivable to many Australians that we could have so fundamentally altered the climate and set in train processes that, left unchecked, threaten our existence. It is difficult for most to accept that we must radically change entrenched patterns of resource exploitation, energy generation and consumption. Nothing about taking action on climate change is easy. It is a diabolical problem that demands renewed respect for the biosphere that sustains us. It also demands the best of our leaders. Sadly, the politics of fear is once again obscuring rational debate in Australia.

[scoob]

Groan

Another percent or two and it will approach the Howard years level.

st, compare it with the rest of the world where unemployment is closer to 10% in many western countries.

A worry is though R&B is that without the mining expansion at the moment the rest of the economy would probably ressemble these other western countries you elude to. How the government manage this problem will be a big test for them - surely you would have to agree R&B that the uncertainty regarding the introduction and the effects of the Carbon tax is not helping many if any of the economical sectors at this time?

[Q.]

I would say the uncertainty is being fueled by the 'Chicken Little' routines of an opposition desperate for leverage and an MSM running a not-so-hidden agenda.

At the end of day, the Carbon tax does redistribute wealth and those on lower incomes will have more money on their pocket which can only help a sagging retail sector. But this seems to have been conveniently overlooked.

[redandblack]

Yes, scoob, I think that's a reasonable point, although I think that our basics have been much better than elsewhere for some time due to our mineral wealth and before that due to primary production.

I'd like to see more of the proceeds of mining go to the country as a whole.

I'll add more later.

[Q.]

The resource sector needs to be 'slowed'. The mining boom is occuring at the expense of the non-resource sector (Dutch Disease), so a RSPT makes sense. Then hand out tax cuts to individuals and promote consumer confidence to lift the retail sector.

[straight talker]

thisis interesting reading just have a read also of some of the comments below. do you guys think any of this is true as he seems to have back up for every thing he says? http://freemycloud.com.au/2011/07/under ... -business/

[redandblack]

st, I think the first link is a reasonable summary of it.

As for the comments link, it's long and I'll have a proper read later, although a link to 'Barnaby is Right' is a bit of a worry

I'll read it though and comment later.

[straight talker]

think it says in this article that the steel making industry will be compensated $300 million over the carbon tax! it was a question i was asked earlier. a good article with good comments both for and against i believe.Have a read. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nationa ... 6113425924

[fish]

...why do some get payed to pollute and not others?

I must have missed this ST - who is being paid to pollute? And by whom?

Still waiting to hear who will be paid to pollute ST...

[straight talker]

i believe the article that i posted earlier states that the steel business will be getting funds of up to $300 million, also Nyrstar in Tasmania a zinc smelter as well as there business in South Australia Port Pirie a lead smelter just to name a couple.

[straight talker]

Will the carbon tax cost jobs?

[Q.]

They will be getting compensation but the net outcome is that they will still end up paying a small percentage.

[straight talker]

yes agree but why would you compensate them are we not trying to stop them from polluting? If they are making money i am sure a small % they have to pay will be like pis$ing in the ocean!

[Q.]

yes agree but why would you compensate them are we not trying to stop them from polluting? If they are making money i am sure a small % they have to pay will be like pis$ing in the ocean!

To minimise the initial impact of the tax. Baby steps.