Federal Government proposes a price on carbon.

[Q.]

Article pretty much sums up my thoughts:

http://reneweconomy.com.au/2012/will-the-government-finally-call-time-on-the-utilites-snow-job-10275

[fish]

I think Gillard's socialists are on a slippery slope along with their coalition partners the loopy Green Party - whose primary vote is now down to 8.3%. Note to Fish...pleased don't request that I furnish proof of the 8.3% - just catch up with the media reports inbetween drooling over the Gowan's

I reckon the Greens would be a bit worried if people like Sky Pilot - a climate change denier and one of the few people left on the planet who still refuse to accept that it is warming - supported their policies!

[Bully]

I think Gillard's socialists are on a slippery slope along with their coalition partners the loopy Green Party - whose primary vote is now down to 8.3%. Note to Fish...pleased don't request that I furnish proof of the 8.3% - just catch up with the media reports inbetween drooling over the Gowan's

I reckon the Greens would be a bit worried if people like Sky Pilot - a climate change denier and one of the few people left on the planet who still refuse to accept that it is warming - supported their policies!

thats his choice there fish, no one is forcing him to believe it or not, unlike yourself. It seems with your comments that anyone who doesnt believe that the earth is warming, and that we have to impose a carbon tax is an outsider.....

and for the record, i do believe the earth is warming (whether or not its due to humans ) as i have said it on numerous times, yet I DO NOT believe we should impose another tax.....

[southee]

I think Gillard's socialists are on a slippery slope along with their coalition partners the loopy Green Party - whose primary vote is now down to 8.3%. Note to Fish...pleased don't request that I furnish proof of the 8.3% - just catch up with the media reports inbetween drooling over the Gowan's

I reckon the Greens would be a bit worried if people like Sky Pilot - a climate change denier and one of the few people left on the planet who still refuse to accept that it is warming - supported their policies!

Ummmm...raises hand!!

Few people?? There's plenty of them out there!!!

[fish]

Can anyone please submit some evidence that the earth is not currently warming?

[Gozu]

Ummmm...raises hand!!

Few people?? There's plenty of them out there!!!

Plenty of people out there who think they've been abdcuted by UFO's too.

[southee]

Ummmm...raises hand!!

Few people?? There's plenty of them out there!!!

Plenty of people out there who think they've been abdcuted by UFO's too.

My point exactly.....everyone got an opinion.

Theres no carbon tax on alien abduction though Gozu.....shhh...dont tell Julia though as they might get done for polluting the air !!

[Gozu]

My point exactly.....everyone got an opinion.

Theres no carbon tax on alien abduction though Gozu.....shhh...dont tell Julia though!!

Like most right-wingers Southee you're confused about the difference between fact and opinion.

[southee]

My point exactly.....everyone got an opinion.

Theres no carbon tax on alien abduction though Gozu.....shhh...dont tell Julia though!!

Like most right-wingers Southee you're confused about the difference between fact and opinion.

That's you opinion mate ..... Not mine.

[southee]

Can anyone please submit some evidence that the earth is not currently warming?

Bloody hell fish !! What are you ?? Some sort of detective or lawyer ???

Google is your friend .... Try it

[fish]

Can anyone please submit some evidence that the earth is not currently warming?

Bloody hell fish !! What are you ?? Some sort of detective or lawyer ???

Google is your friend .... Try it

OK I googled "global temperature record" and came up with this, which clearly shows the earth is warming. Your inability to provide any evidence that the earth is not warming is a bit suspicious.

[Bully]

i agree with you fish, yes the charts show the earth is warming.

but please provide a chart on the climate 160 million years ago?
Please provide a chart, from 100 million years ago
Please provide a chart of 500,000 years ago

thats my point, agree with it or not, to me - This could be a once in a 160 million year event, or 100 million year event, or a 500,000 year event (the earth going through a period of warming more then normal ) .

we just dont know, and NO one can say, oh it didnt do this then, or it did.
But yes, if it isnt or hasnt done this before and it is humans doing this, then if we dont do something then we are to blame. But i dont see how another tax can stop it in its tracks???
there are other ways then pulling money out of our pockets from suits in canberra.....

[Q.]

lol, the flat-earthers emerge (srs).

[Sky Pilot]

i agree with you fish, yes the charts show the earth is warming.

but please provide a chart on the climate 160 million years ago?
Please provide a chart, from 100 million years ago
Please provide a chart of 500,000 years ago

thats my point, agree with it or not, to me - This could be a once in a 160 million year event, or 100 million year event, or a 500,000 year event (the earth going through a period of warming more then normal ) .

we just dont know, and NO one can say, oh it didnt do this then, or it did.
But yes, if it isnt or hasnt done this before and it is humans doing this, then if we dont do something then we are to blame. But i dont see how another tax can stop it in its tracks???
there are other ways then pulling money out of our pockets from suits in canberra.....

Well said Bully!

[Sky Pilot]

Can anyone please submit some evidence that the earth is not currently warming?

Bloody hell fish !! What are you ?? Some sort of detective or lawyer ???

Google is your friend .... Try it

OK I googled "global temperature record" and came up with this, which clearly shows the earth is warming. Your inability to provide any evidence that the earth is not warming is a bit suspicious.

Fish I have asked you before about this graph I think. Does it allude to the earth warming 0.5 degrees in 120 years?

[Psyber]

Can anyone please submit some evidence that the earth is not currently warming?

Bloody hell fish !! What are you ?? Some sort of detective or lawyer ???

Google is your friend .... Try it

OK I googled "global temperature record" and came up with this, which clearly shows the earth is warming. Your inability to provide any evidence that the earth is not warming is a bit suspicious.

What that same graph you have trotted out so many times before!
The one that only counts temperatures since the end of the Little Ice Age in the late 19th century
Of course temperatures have been rising since then.

Please allow me to offer perspective again:

[Bully]

i agree with you fish, yes the charts show the earth is warming.

but please provide a chart on the climate 160 million years ago?
Please provide a chart, from 100 million years ago
Please provide a chart of 500,000 years ago

thats my point, agree with it or not, to me - This could be a once in a 160 million year event, or 100 million year event, or a 500,000 year event (the earth going through a period of warming more then normal ) .

we just dont know, and NO one can say, oh it didnt do this then, or it did.
But yes, if it isnt or hasnt done this before and it is humans doing this, then if we dont do something then we are to blame. But i dont see how another tax can stop it in its tracks???
there are other ways then pulling money out of our pockets from suits in canberra.....

Well said Bully!

he wont respond to this Sky, as he knows this is a valid point i am making. Most of the carbon tax lovers and the believers of humans causing the warming of the globe simply dont have a response to this statment. But if.....IF it is humnas, then why not start this reducing carbon now thing. Because if it is we will be in trouble in the future if we dont

I welcome him/them/they to respond with a valid statement on its not a 160 million year, or 100 million year event (period of warming more then normal) but still waiting.

And staring at rocks in the ground does not prove the earth has not seen this before....

[Q.]

I'd stop trotting out that Harris/Mann graph, Psyber. Neither are climatologists or meteorologists and it shows. The graph doesn't even have units on the y-axis and it completely leaves out the normal varations that should be seen in temperature charts.

Here is the correct 2000 year comparison:

[Psyber]

And of course a really long term one:

[Jimmy_041]

Who took the temperature 65m years ago