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Jimmy_041 wrote:

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Stephen Marshall and the Libs must be $1.04 to win the next election

When 40+% of SA people are either employed by, or welfare dependant upon, the state government, nothing is odds on
Chuck in the rusted on who are quite happy to constantly dicked by this mob and you've got a stable voting bloc

That does make it hard for a more fiscally conservative party to win in South Australia. SA is now almost a one company town given the poverty of the private sector and the small army size of the public sector. Throw in a sizeable chunk of people who look to the government for their living through pension/welfare payments and god only knows how enough people can be weaned off the teat to vote out the labor party.

Not that Marshall and his mates are particularly convincing because they're not.

shoe boy wrote:

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:The great bank tax debate on AA this morning.

I think Jay gets the points.
It seems Marshall will lose the unloseable if his rhetoric this morning remains the same

Marshall is a complete tool and with Chapman by his side is an embarrassment (why is she is getting a payment every week!!!)

I went back and listened to it again as I didn't remember Chapman saying anything

stan wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:The great bank tax debate on AA this morning.

I think Jay gets the points.
It seems Marshall will lose the unloseable if his rhetoric this morning remains the same

As usual, Weatherill walked all over Penberthy & Goodings and just went on his merry way whilst Marshall was too polite
Marshall really needs to grow a pair and stop playing nicely
He could have nailed Weatherill several times but didn't. Mind you, its easy to say on this side of the radio

Jay accused Marshall of lying whilst bald face lying himself, on numerous occasions, that banks don't pay GST

Ans this is where the state is at. The Libs are beating themselves like normal and the state clearly needs Weatherall out.

Completely agree. Marshall looks to have no substance about him, no real mongrel to come along and deliver a knock out blow. When it comes to "politicing" Weatherill beats him with a wet feather into submission.

I can see it now, we get 6 months from the election, the polls tell us it's a close race, Marshall gets the jitters, the Libs panic and backdoor him for Chapman.

Blue bloods, how far away is Wingard from being a chance to lead? Someone like him, media savvy, straight talker, looks to have a backbone, he looks a leader.

Oh god no......Wingard may know the media but I cant him seriously. He is basically the Bignell of the Libs

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Booney wrote:

stan wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:The great bank tax debate on AA this morning.

I think Jay gets the points.
It seems Marshall will lose the unloseable if his rhetoric this morning remains the same

As usual, Weatherill walked all over Penberthy & Goodings and just went on his merry way whilst Marshall was too polite
Marshall really needs to grow a pair and stop playing nicely
He could have nailed Weatherill several times but didn't. Mind you, its easy to say on this side of the radio

Jay accused Marshall of lying whilst bald face lying himself, on numerous occasions, that banks don't pay GST

Ans this is where the state is at. The Libs are beating themselves like normal and the state clearly needs Weatherall out.

Completely agree. Marshall looks to have no substance about him, no real mongrel to come along and deliver a knock out blow. When it comes to "politicing" Weatherill beats him with a wet feather into submission.

I can see it now, we get 6 months from the election, the polls tell us it's a close race, Marshall gets the jitters, the Libs panic and backdoor him for Chapman.

Blue bloods, how far away is Wingard from being a chance to lead? Someone like him, media savvy, straight talker, looks to have a backbone, he looks a leader.

Oh yes its just like the lead up when Redmond was in charge. Yhere would have been a change in government then if Chapman could keep her mouth shut.

One saying bank tax will create jobs
One saying bank tax will lose jobs

rinse/repeat until the election.

MW wrote:One saying bank tax will create jobs
One saying bank tax will lose jobs

rinse/repeat until the election.

One wants to create public sector jobs
The other wants to create private sector jobs

Hamilton-Smith just trying to protect his own job
How anyone could ever trust this bloke ever again

Jimmy_041 wrote:How anyone could ever trust this bloke ever

Fixed.

Love Kouta getting all high and mighty
Only one person getting hysterical
People getting spat on all over the place

MW wrote:One saying bank tax will lose jobs

Its happening.....

just give the keys to Mr X, that way he will have to accountable for a decision

Executive Member wrote:just give the keys to Mr X, that way he will have to accountable for a decision

Instead of living in a fairy tale world? Oh dear...can't see that working.

Anyone interested in debating the state bank tax and why Labor have done this?
Having given it a lot of thought and discussing it with a fair cross section of legal, accounting & political people, I have some fairly interesting conspiracy theories if you're interested

Jimmy_041 wrote:Anyone interested in debating the state bank tax and why Labor have done this?
Having given it a lot of thought and discussing it with a fair cross section of legal, accounting & political people, I have some fairly interesting conspiracy theories if you're interested

Go on...

All ears...

Im all for the bank tax...the bastards make me pay for trying to access my hard earned cash

Banks are a law unto themselves and are the most greedy businesses going.

Banks can cry poor.....banks can say its gonna cost jobs....but they already cut branches etc....

Sorry got home later than I thought
Tomorrow

Jimmy_041 wrote:

MW wrote:One saying bank tax will create jobs
One saying bank tax will lose jobs

rinse/repeat until the election.

One wants to create public sector jobs
The other wants to create private sector jobs

Hamilton-Smith just trying to protect his own job
How anyone could ever trust this bloke ever again

Are you saying the Lib's want to create Public Sector jobs?

Labor certainly don't want to, they have been shedding them for years, the department I work for employed a head cutter from interstate a few years back, we've been through Rd 1 and Rd 2 of reductions, I've heard Rd 3 is ion it's way.

In the last 20 years or so, more public service jobs have gone under Labor than Liberal

When I joined the Public Service it was made up of many small departments focused on what service they were meant to provide, generally they did it very well, now we have a small number of "Super Departments" that were put in place to reduce the top end salaries and save costs, and from where I sit, the task of serving the public has been lost in the over corporatised version of public service we now have, don't blame those at the coal face, they are now expected to know everything, often they are temp's bought in to fill gaps and are thrown to the dogs with little experience or understanding of what they are meant to deliver

Ian wrote:

Jimmy_041 wrote:

MW wrote:One saying bank tax will create jobs
One saying bank tax will lose jobs

rinse/repeat until the election.

One wants to create public sector jobs
The other wants to create private sector jobs

Hamilton-Smith just trying to protect his own job
How anyone could ever trust this bloke ever again

Are you saying the Lib's want to create Public Sector jobs?

Labor certainly don't want to, they have been shedding them for years, the department I work for employed a head cutter from interstate a few years back, we've been through Rd 1 and Rd 2 of reductions, I've heard Rd 3 is ion it's way.

In the last 20 years or so, more public service jobs have gone under Labor than Liberal

When I joined the Public Service it was made up of many small departments focused on what service they were meant to provide, generally they did it very well, now we have a small number of "Super Departments" that were put in place to reduce the top end salaries and save costs, and from where I sit, the task of serving the public has been lost in the over corporatised version of public service we now have, don't blame those at the coal face, they are now expected to know everything, often they are temp's bought in to fill gaps and are thrown to the dogs with little experience or understanding of what they are meant to deliver

I'll get the numbers and respond to that question later today Ian

Here you go @Ian

For General Government Sector, FTE have increased every year over the past 6 years other than in 2013 - 14 (Att #1)
The 2017 budget says the 30/6/17 figure will be 82,190 so its still going up
This is despite the Govt paying $377.6m between 2010 and 2015 in separation packages (Att #2)
Surprise, surprise, the media picked up on the cost of separations and the fact PS numbers were still going up so the Govt just omitted this information from the past 2 budgets. When the stats show your incompetence; just get rid of them

To your question about whats currently happening:

According to the 2017-18 budget:
1. The Actual as at 6/16 was 81,388
2. The Estimate as at 12/16 was 81,623
3. The Estimate as at 6/16 is 82,190

Therefore, General Govt FTE numbers are budgeted to jump another 802 in this past 12 months
They have also budgeted for that number to increase to 82,269 as at 6/18

So, anecdotally, you are seeing cuts (and I have some friends who have been forced out as well) but, unlike the government and its spin doctors, the stats don't lie. I'll do some research on the change in mix of employees over the past 7 years. No doubt there will be a trend

I have a set of numbers somewhere on this administrations Budget v Actual YE 2014 v 2017 (ie) how have they fared compared with their initial budget when elected and its not a pretty sight. They are just lucky no-one in the media is capable of understanding a budget and set of accounts. And that's also the basis of my theory on what this bank tax is all about.