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Re: Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:49 pmby Bag & Sledge
COULD THIS BE NEXT??
The club must record if a player purchases a can of soft drink and or pie (or like) when purchasing items from the club's canteen or bar.
The club must not sell more than 50 pies during a home match nor should they sell any more than 100 beers over the bar between 12midday to 7pm....
Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:58 pmby LuvsFooty
A couple of queries:
1. Will the community football board be providing any clerical or administration support in regards to the set up and completion of paperwork etc? Some of the technicalities in rules and ramifications of mistakes seem too extreme to allow part time volunteers to be handling
2. I've spoken to our recruits who will still be very keen to play country footy because of the atmosphere, quality of footy, change of scenery etc. we are lucky because we are only 70k's from Adelaide. Has anyone spoken to individual players at out lying clubs who won't return next year because of this?
Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:04 pmby Look Good In Leather
LuvsFooty wrote:A couple of queries:
1. Will the community football board be providing any clerical or administration support in regards to the set up and completion of paperwork etc? Some of the technicalities in rules and ramifications of mistakes seem too extreme to allow part time volunteers to be handling
2. I've spoken to our recruits who will still be very keen to play country footy because of the atmosphere, quality of footy, change of scenery etc. we are lucky because we are only 70k's from Adelaide. Has anyone spoken to individual players at out lying clubs who won't return next year because of this?
many saying they will be receiving the same amount, just through different means
Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:07 pmby daysofourlives
No need to have the points system if the salary cap comes in is there?
Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:16 pmby oyster
Too many leagues have voted no for this to work and many are sweating off on what happens when these leagues move away from the SACFL. It's all turning into a circus and won't work. No need anyone worrying about it getting off the ground. Won't happen in most leagues and any leagues that adopt it, the savvy country people have already found loop holes.
Re: Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:33 amby Rough
Just wondering when all these leagues and clubs decided that they really enjoyed spending more than $60K per year per club? The start of this thread strongly talks about how the points system is sending clubs to the wall spending too much and the end of it talks about how clubs are desperately trying to find loop holes so they can spend more money? Personally hoping that these savvy country people give it an honest crack to see how it works and maybe save a couple bucks.
Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:53 pmby daysofourlives
I hear the guernsey supplier's contract is up for tender to the SACFL.
They wouldn't opt for a new one would they? Every club in the state would be up for around 15k next year if they did, now that is some serious coin for the winning tender, Wouldnt be any kickbacks to the snout's trough would there?
At a time when they are telling us clubs will go to the wall if something is not done about spending surely they wouldnt put this impost on everyone
Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:28 amby Look Good In Leather
daysofourlives wrote:I hear the guernsey supplier's contract is up for tender to the SACFL.
They wouldn't opt for a new one would they? Every club in the state would be up for around 15k next year if they did, now that is some serious coin for the winning tender, Wouldnt be any kickbacks to the snout's trough would there?
At a time when they are telling us clubs will go to the wall if something is not done about spending surely they wouldnt put this impost on everyone
They will suggest that we will be able to pay for it out of the money they are saving us
Re: Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:07 pmby andrew_veniamin
Is the fuel money included in the cap?
Eg if a player receives $500 and $250 for fuel does it go in the cap as $750?
If a marquee player recieves $1000 can he then get $250 for fuel?
Can you pay an assistant coach
Many country clubs have players training in town and it's good to have a leader amongst them
Re: Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:22 pmby OnSong
andrew_veniamin wrote:Is the fuel money included in the cap?
Eg if a player receives $500 and $250 for fuel does it go in the cap as $750?
If a marquee player receives $1000 can he then get $250 for fuel?
Can you pay an assistant coach
Many country clubs have players training in town and it's good to have a leader amongst them
Fuel goes on top of match payment.
Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:05 pmby Dogwatcher
Re: Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:14 pmby human_torpedo
Is it this actual proposal or just a salary cap in general? I think the idea of a cap is aright, but this proposal is poorly thought out.. if it was say $4k per week, plus a marquee up to $1000 a week, plus fuel allowance and best player incentives, surely clubs can operate on $90k plus allowances and incentives is fair..
Re: Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:56 pmby OnSong
human_torpedo wrote:Is it this actual proposal or just a salary cap in general? I think the idea of a cap is aright, but this proposal is poorly thought out.. if it was say $4k per week, plus a marquee up to $1000 a week, plus fuel allowance and best player incentives, surely clubs can operate on $90k plus allowances and incentives is fair..
I can accept the $3k would be low for a lot of clubs. Not ours, but a lot of others
Re: Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:42 amby Bag & Sledge
human_torpedo wrote:Is it this actual proposal or just a salary cap in general? I think the idea of a cap is aright, but this proposal is poorly thought out.. if it was say $4k per week, plus a marquee up to $1000 a week, plus fuel allowance and best player incentives, surely clubs can operate on $90k plus allowances and incentives is fair..
Has there actually been any significant thought put into this proposal?
Duldig has lots of work ahead of him...
Re: Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:46 pmby human_torpedo
Bag & Sledge wrote:human_torpedo wrote:Is it this actual proposal or just a salary cap in general? I think the idea of a cap is aright, but this proposal is poorly thought out.. if it was say $4k per week, plus a marquee up to $1000 a week, plus fuel allowance and best player incentives, surely clubs can operate on $90k plus allowances and incentives is fair..
Has there actually been any significant thought put into this proposal?
Duldig has lots of work ahead of him...
As in the proposal in place or my counter proposal?
I think the proposal in place atm is poorly thought out, but I think the proposal I threw out is fair and just..
Re: Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:28 pmby Bag & Sledge
human_torpedo wrote:Bag & Sledge wrote:human_torpedo wrote:Is it this actual proposal or just a salary cap in general? I think the idea of a cap is aright, but this proposal is poorly thought out.. if it was say $4k per week, plus a marquee up to $1000 a week, plus fuel allowance and best player incentives, surely clubs can operate on $90k plus allowances and incentives is fair..
Has there actually been any significant thought put into this proposal?
Duldig has lots of work ahead of him...
As in the proposal in place or my counter proposal?
I think the proposal in place atm is poorly thought out, but I think the proposal I threw out is fair and just..
I meant the CFL proposal.
A salary cap will never work, too hard to be policed and volunteers can not be expected to do the extra work.
What year did they last try and introduce a salary cap? was it during the 90's?
Re: Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:21 pmby cracka
I think a salary cap can work if the players are made to sign stat decs that the only money they receive is through the club. Would be too big a risk for them if caught.
Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:35 pmby banterfordays
Bag & Sledge wrote:OnSong wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Are coaches exempt from the salary cap?
Is Barossa District appointing joint coaches the 1st of many to go down that path?
Will clubs appoint 2 or 3 or 4 joint coaches if they avoid the salary cap?
Don't think so but I'd have to read up on it again.
SENIOR COACHES
means a senior coach of the Clubs A Grade Team and does not include assistant coaches, coaches of the reserves/B grade teams or junior coaches
Playing Senior Coaches
1. A Playing Senior Coach’s portion of payments in relation to his ‘player payment’ is deemed to be $300 per week and it must be included in the total player maximum payments of $3,000 per match.
After significant discussion it was decided to only assess the Club’s Senior Playing Coach’s portion of salary to play at $300 per week. This was lower than may have been expected but it was deemed appropriate to encourage quality individuals to Community Football Clubs and the long term benefits to Clubs. It was decided that the $300 deemed payment for playing should be included in $3,000 maximum payment as most Playing Coach’s would normally be paid more than $300.
2. Any Coach being paid to play must sign an official player contract for the payments made as a player. The contract must also provide the amount paid to the Coach as the Senior Coach (coaches fee)
The Club Coach requires a contract to manage the agreement and payment and to discourage coaches from making additional payments to players under their coaching remuneration.
So nothing stops a club from going
gun player you're our "senior coach"
take $300 as a player per game
take xxxx as a coach
Mr Assistant, you're really the senior coach but you can't tell anyone
Can't see how they will regulate effectively in general
Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Thu Sep 03, 2015 4:09 pmby Dogwatcher
Re: Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy
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Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:37 pmby Look Good In Leather
8. Payments made to players for representative football will not be deemed a football payment (up to $150 Association, $300 Zone, $500 State).
So the expectation now is that we should be paying our players to play rep football. They are happy for us to pay our players a bit extra as a reward for playing in their meaningless lightning carnival.
Agendas all over the place here.