by Goldberg » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:44 am
by Mythical Creature » Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:56 am
by shoe boy » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:53 am
by Sky Pilot » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:54 am
by false » Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:59 am
Goldberg wrote:I am a very disappointed Country/Amature football follower at the moment
The points system was put into place to unify leagues with player recruitment numbers, was it not? If what we are to believe on here, the inconsistancies from league to league has the whole thing looking like a waste of time!!!! Now I'm a big advocate FOR IT, but only if its done properly.
IMO the more remote a club is, should be the ONLY REASON FOR ANY TYPE OF EXEMPTION, as they would obviously find it harder to recruit players. Perhaps base it on: a 100km radius from the clubrooms, and the population residing in that radius divided by the number of clubs in it also. If the CFB did this then allocated Max points according to this, no-one could argue!
SFL- giving more points to the lower finishing clubs, upwards of 6 extra. Are you joking me? The SFL is practically in Adelaide, and should have zero reason for any need of extra points! If they have a numbers problem, maybe they should take advice from a club like, well any country club that has a local base of PEOPLE, not just players under 100, of which there are many!
GSFL- Have given exemption to some clubs because the recruited players from the SAAFL before they came on board with the Points system. As long as this is a 1 year deal, I dont see an issue with it.
Mallee- Is giving huge exemptions to clubs, in some cases upwards of 10 extra points. This is a short sighted solution! Yes they need extra points, but you cant fix a club in 1 year. It takes solid choices over a 3-4 year period to build a good list.
Hills Div 1&2- Dont have any stagger to their system at all, with all clubs receiving 15 points regardless of previous years finishing placement. Surely its obvious that a lower team should have maximum points allocation (15 points), while the premiers have a reduced allocation as they are already very competetive. The whole point of it is to try and get even competitions.
RMFL- Have the Stagger system in place, but don't take it far enough. In recent years the difference between 3rd & 5th has been a big 1, yet they are on the same amount of points. Each place higher on the ladder, should result in 1 less point (this wont work for every league, as some have too many clubs, in which case they would have to perhaps group clubs in 2's)
Please add to this other leagues that I am unaware of how theirs work and I'm sure we will see some more variations
by The Patriach » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:36 pm
Seagull wrote:Goldberg wrote:I am a very disappointed Country/Amature football follower at the moment
The points system was put into place to unify leagues with player recruitment numbers, was it not? If what we are to believe on here, the inconsistancies from league to league has the whole thing looking like a waste of time!!!! Now I'm a big advocate FOR IT, but only if its done properly.
IMO the more remote a club is, should be the ONLY REASON FOR ANY TYPE OF EXEMPTION, as they would obviously find it harder to recruit players. Perhaps base it on: a 100km radius from the clubrooms, and the population residing in that radius divided by the number of clubs in it also. If the CFB did this then allocated Max points according to this, no-one could argue!
SFL- giving more points to the lower finishing clubs, upwards of 6 extra. Are you joking me? The SFL is practically in Adelaide, and should have zero reason for any need of extra points! If they have a numbers problem, maybe they should take advice from a club like, well any country club that has a local base of PEOPLE, not just players under 100, of which there are many!
GSFL- Have given exemption to some clubs because the recruited players from the SAAFL before they came on board with the Points system. As long as this is a 1 year deal, I dont see an issue with it.
Mallee- Is giving huge exemptions to clubs, in some cases upwards of 10 extra points. This is a short sighted solution! Yes they need extra points, but you cant fix a club in 1 year. It takes solid choices over a 3-4 year period to build a good list.
Hills Div 1&2- Dont have any stagger to their system at all, with all clubs receiving 15 points regardless of previous years finishing placement. Surely its obvious that a lower team should have maximum points allocation (15 points), while the premiers have a reduced allocation as they are already very competetive. The whole point of it is to try and get even competitions.
RMFL- Have the Stagger system in place, but don't take it far enough. In recent years the difference between 3rd & 5th has been a big 1, yet they are on the same amount of points. Each place higher on the ladder, should result in 1 less point (this wont work for every league, as some have too many clubs, in which case they would have to perhaps group clubs in 2's)
Please add to this other leagues that I am unaware of how theirs work and I'm sure we will see some more variations
Goldy, I think both you and I knew from the outset that there would be ways found to manipulate this system to suit individual leagues/clubs. Not sure how you overcome it, maybe it can't be overcome but I agree with your sentiments 100%. There are other issues that come to mind also, but we'll leave that for another time.
BL&GFA has 1 club with 3 points, another 1 at least on 24, not much equality in that either and 25 minutes from town on the new Expressway.
by The Gimp » Thu Feb 24, 2011 12:56 pm
Goldberg wrote:Hills Div 1&2- Dont have any stagger to their system at all, with all clubs receiving 15 points regardless of previous years finishing placement. Surely its obvious that a lower team should have maximum points allocation (15 points), while the premiers have a reduced allocation as they are already very competetive. The whole point of it is to try and get even competitions.
by shoe boy » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:24 pm
by Goldberg » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:37 pm
The Gimp wrote:Goldberg wrote:Hills Div 1&2- Dont have any stagger to their system at all, with all clubs receiving 15 points regardless of previous years finishing placement. Surely its obvious that a lower team should have maximum points allocation (15 points), while the premiers have a reduced allocation as they are already very competetive. The whole point of it is to try and get even competitions.
Yep, Goldberg, you need to check your facts before having a massive rant like that. The HFL have got a staggered system in place which takes into account the previous 3 years and ladder positions over that time. So the top 3 sides have 10 points, the next 4 have 12 and the bottom 3 have 15 points.
Aside from that, I think clubs and leagues will need to give the system time to work. Surely people don't think that this new system is about to fix everyting over night?? I reckon it will take 3-5 years before this system really shows the benefits and I also think there will be a few tweeks here and there in that time to try and get it right.
I believe something had to happen as the salary cap was useless and player payments had continued on a steep upward trend for the last 5-8 (perhaps more) years.
I do agree however that all leagues should have a comparable system but I think the CFL have allowed quite a few variations in this first year/s which I think is fair enough as long as they're not too over the top.
The one variation/tweek I would like to see made is something to stop clubs poaching/recruiting other clubs U17's. At the moment they are worth 0 points which makes the best colts of the club a hot target for recruit. I think perhaps a senior colt should be worth a couple (at least 1) of points to a club that he didn't play colts with, that was it doesn't make it as attractive for other clubs to recruit him.
by The Patriach » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:39 pm
Goldberg wrote:The Gimp wrote:Goldberg wrote:Hills Div 1&2- Dont have any stagger to their system at all, with all clubs receiving 15 points regardless of previous years finishing placement. Surely its obvious that a lower team should have maximum points allocation (15 points), while the premiers have a reduced allocation as they are already very competetive. The whole point of it is to try and get even competitions.
Yep, Goldberg, you need to check your facts before having a massive rant like that. The HFL have got a staggered system in place which takes into account the previous 3 years and ladder positions over that time. So the top 3 sides have 10 points, the next 4 have 12 and the bottom 3 have 15 points.
Aside from that, I think clubs and leagues will need to give the system time to work. Surely people don't think that this new system is about to fix everyting over night?? I reckon it will take 3-5 years before this system really shows the benefits and I also think there will be a few tweeks here and there in that time to try and get it right.
I believe something had to happen as the salary cap was useless and player payments had continued on a steep upward trend for the last 5-8 (perhaps more) years.
I do agree however that all leagues should have a comparable system but I think the CFL have allowed quite a few variations in this first year/s which I think is fair enough as long as they're not too over the top.
The one variation/tweek I would like to see made is something to stop clubs poaching/recruiting other clubs U17's. At the moment they are worth 0 points which makes the best colts of the club a hot target for recruit. I think perhaps a senior colt should be worth a couple (at least 1) of points to a club that he didn't play colts with, that was it doesn't make it as attractive for other clubs to recruit him.
Sorry if my information about your league was incorrect, (was it as I stated in previous years then?) but please dont miss the point i was trying to make! We need 1 system for all leagues, was meant to be the main message from the post. The examples of each league were just that! Examples!
by Goldberg » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:46 pm
by The Patriach » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:50 pm
Goldberg wrote:They dont play each other!!! Sorry, but i dont see the relevance in that statement at all
by sunbowler » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:12 pm
Seagull wrote:[quote="T
BL&GFA has 1 club with 3 points, another 1 at least on 24, not much equality in that either and 25 minutes from town on the new Expressway.
by Media Park » Sun Feb 27, 2011 9:39 pm
Wedgie wrote:I wear skin tight arseless leather pants, wtf do you wear?
Competitions SANFL Official Site | Country Footy SA | Southern Football League | VFL Footy
Club Forums Snouts Louts | The Roost | Redlegs Forum |