Ovies to self destruct

[hawkseye]

Hooray for Div 6,7 or below. With the mentality of some of these posts, most of you guys deserve to be at the bottom end of the footy chain. Do yourselves a favour, go to a well run club for 1 season, take in all you can learn then take it back to the clubs like Ovingham and put it into action. I bet you notice the difference.
With respect to those coaches named, they never get a second chance (except KK, he had 2 cracks at Wingfield)because the damage that is done is almost always terminal.

I guess some of you guys just can't see the forest for the trees, remove the Cane Reserve blinkers and the lower grade mentality, your club is suffering because of it!!!!

Tiger, I am with you, spot on in every respect!!!!

Yes high and mighty Div 1 Aceman. Maybe some Div 1 people should come to the forests or the trees and help out the loyal people in the lower grades. Its the higher clubs that make a mockery of the word amatuer in amatuer league.

[BUZZ]

Hooray for Div 6,7 or below. With the mentality of some of these posts, most of you guys deserve to be at the bottom end of the footy chain. Do yourselves a favour, go to a well run club for 1 season, take in all you can learn then take it back to the clubs like Ovingham and put it into action. I bet you notice the difference.
With respect to those coaches named, they never get a second chance (except KK, he had 2 cracks at Wingfield)because the damage that is done is almost always terminal.

I guess some of you guys just can't see the forest for the trees, remove the Cane Reserve blinkers and the lower grade mentality, your club is suffering because of it!!!!

Tiger, I am with you, spot on in every respect!!!!

Yes high and mighty Div 1 Aceman. Maybe some Div 1 people should come to the forests or the trees and help out the loyal people in the lower grades. Its the higher clubs that make a mockery of the word amatuer in amatuer league.

Iv played for a Div 1/2 side for the last 7 years, i can still have an input on a grade below mine, its called a forum, if it offends or makes you feel mentally disturbed, piss off to another topic...

[finn]

What is Newmans background

Not sure about all of it,he told me that he took Gepps X c grade to a undeafted flag,then last year coached wingfields b grade to a flag.So 2 premierships in arow aint bad and talked like he thought there was another one on the way.

yeah took gepps c grade to an undeafeated flag alright, won every game by 20 goals plus,with a div 1 c grade with A grade quality players , when gepps b grade were struggling and none of the c graders would go up,, even played an ex afl crows player a few times (josh mail)agianst other div 5 and 6 c grades, then only just beat para hills in the gf after going the knuckle, by 3 goals. then when they were put in the c grade of the div 1 clubs, the year after,,, surprise surprise they ended up winning 1 game, and even with payney still playing,,,,,He even played in the b s last year coz they were better......these are facts, just ask any other team that played in 10 n . they were the most hated team going. yeah id be bragging about that premiership....NOT. and no, i have nothing to do with ovies.

we (uni) played payne & co after gepps cross moved back from 10b to c1 after his 150+ season and he certainly got found out both times - even if you could tell he had footer nous. gepps actually won 3 games but seemed much more interested in trying to go the knuckle than playing the ball. rather enjoyed the triple header v gepps at uni oval.

thinking that ovingham should perhaps place themselves in c1 so that they can gauge their standard against c grade div 1 teams and this would give them an inkling of div 7 standard as well. this would alleviate the need for the bye plus get rid of some animosity towards a side that has been perceived to have been happy playing down in c5/c6/10south (whatever the valid reasons may have been). this is perhaps the best compromise position and they've to feb 22 to decide what to do.

i think ovingham may struggle against the disciplined sides in c1 but this is based solely on having seen their 2004 side win the 10sth premiership and having played them in 1999-2001 when people like scooter, locky, benno et al were around.




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[Vits19]

What is Newmans background

Not sure about all of it,he told me that he took Gepps X c grade to a undeafted flag,then last year coached wingfields b grade to a flag.So 2 premierships in arow aint bad and talked like he thought there was another one on the way.

yeah took gepps c grade to an undeafeated flag alright, won every game by 20 goals plus,with a div 1 c grade with A grade quality players , when gepps b grade were struggling and none of the c graders would go up,, even played an ex afl crows player a few times (josh mail)agianst other div 5 and 6 c grades, then only just beat para hills in the gf after going the knuckle, by 3 goals. then when they were put in the c grade of the div 1 clubs, the year after,,, surprise surprise they ended up winning 1 game, and even with payney still playing,,,,,He even played in the b s last year coz they were better......these are facts, just ask any other team that played in 10 n . they were the most hated team going. yeah id be bragging about that premiership....NOT. and no, i have nothing to do with ovies.

Speaking of facts, Payney did NOT play B grade at all in 2007. Bit hard to do when you are the coach of the C Grade.

And to say guys like Cooke, Allcock, Payney etc should have been playing A Grade in 2006, just laughable. Gepps A Grade only lost 3 games in the minor round that year, no room for guys who only like to train for 30 mins a week.

[Rupert My Boy]

Buzz, that's exactly the mentality Aceman is talking about, small minded & abusive. Well played!

[aceman]

Hawkseye, there was no mention of a Div 1 club in my post, there are plenty of 'well organised ' clubs in most of the higher grades.Maybe you need to look into how your club operates, there may be room for improvement there.
Oh, by the way, don't be so sensitive unless of course, you have reason to!

[gothebombers]

What is Newmans background

Not sure about all of it,he told me that he took Gepps X c grade to a undeafted flag,then last year coached wingfields b grade to a flag.So 2 premierships in arow aint bad and talked like he thought there was another one on the way.

yeah took gepps c grade to an undeafeated flag alright, won every game by 20 goals plus,with a div 1 c grade with A grade quality players , when gepps b grade were struggling and none of the c graders would go up,, even played an ex afl crows player a few times (josh mail)agianst other div 5 and 6 c grades, then only just beat para hills in the gf after going the knuckle, by 3 goals. then when they were put in the c grade of the div 1 clubs, the year after,,, surprise surprise they ended up winning 1 game, and even with payney still playing,,,,,He even played in the b s last year coz they were better......these are facts, just ask any other team that played in 10 n . they were the most hated team going. yeah id be bragging about that premiership....NOT. and no, i have nothing to do with ovies.

Speaking of facts, Payney did NOT play B grade at all in 2007. Bit hard to do when you are the coach of the C Grade.

And to say guys like Cooke, Allcock, Payney etc should have been playing A Grade in 2006, just laughable. Gepps A Grade only lost 3 games in the minor round that year, no room for guys who only like to train for 30 mins a week.

sorry i didnt mean A grade, i meant higher(bs at least) and i didnt mean payney, but samual and cooke were def good enough to play As plus a few others. but i do understand about the training aspect being a coach my self.but they were playing out of their league that year, but if your from gepps, then i guess youll disagree with me, coz u play were your put. payney has every right to play c grade, its a comp for the older guys to keep playing. and hes very good.

[hawkseye]

Hooray for Div 6,7 or below. With the mentality of some of these posts, most of you guys deserve to be at the bottom end of the footy chain. Do yourselves a favour, go to a well run club for 1 season, take in all you can learn then take it back to the clubs like Ovingham and put it into action. I bet you notice the difference.
With respect to those coaches named, they never get a second chance (except KK, he had 2 cracks at Wingfield)because the damage that is done is almost always terminal.

I guess some of you guys just can't see the forest for the trees, remove the Cane Reserve blinkers and the lower grade mentality, your club is suffering because of it!!!!

Tiger, I am with you, spot on in every respect!!!!

Yes high and mighty Div 1 Aceman. Maybe some Div 1 people should come to the forests or the trees and help out the loyal people in the lower grades. Its the higher clubs that make a mockery of the word amatuer in amatuer league.

Iv played for a Div 1/2 side for the last 7 years, i can still have an input on a grade below mine, its called a forum, if it offends or makes you feel mentally disturbed, piss off to another topic...

No thanks I will have my say. Thanks for your concern though.

[hawkseye]

Hawkseye, there was no mention of a Div 1 club in my post, there are plenty of 'well organised ' clubs in most of the higher grades.Maybe you need to look into how your club operates, there may be room for improvement there.
Oh, by the way, don't be so sensitive unless of course, you have reason to!

Fair enough Aceman i may have misread some of your comments. I have a tendancy to jump the gun a little defending the lower grades. It does bug me a bit when people associated with higher grade clubs have cheapshots at lower grade clubs.

[aceman]

No problems Hawkseye, no cheap shots from me, I know how bloody hard it is to get good people to run/work footy clubs.
High or low grade, it doesn't matter, it still takes committed people to put in time & effort to keep things running efficiently.
Every club has their highs & lows, all you can do is minimize the lows by making smart decisions, unfortunately some clubs continue to make wrong ones all the time.

[04 Premiership Coach]

Buzz, that's exactly the mentality Aceman is talking about, small minded & abusive. Well played!

Thought you had nothing more to say Rupert.By the way,I'm still waiting for that PM if you've got the guts to tell me who you are.

[wattle]

Hooray for Div 6,7 or below. With the mentality of some of these posts, most of you guys deserve to be at the bottom end of the footy chain. Do yourselves a favour, go to a well run club for 1 season, take in all you can learn then take it back to the clubs like Ovingham and put it into action. I bet you notice the difference.
With respect to those coaches named, they never get a second chance (except KK, he had 2 cracks at Wingfield)because the damage that is done is almost always terminal.

I guess some of you guys just can't see the forest for the trees, remove the Cane Reserve blinkers and the lower grade mentality, your club is suffering because of it!!!!

Tiger, I am with you, spot on in every respect!!!!

For starters all clubs pay the same dollars to the saafl,we help fund state trips and no player from div2 down goes.Higher grade clubs need to realise that if they think its hard to run their club trying doing it with no money to through around and less surport staff to help out.Most of these guys take there footy pretty seriously except for the oldtimers just having a kick,but to say we r in are own forrest?Ive played Safa, div2 a grade etc but have just as many friends and have meet great club men at other lower grade clubs as i did when i played higher grades,so ease up on the lower comp.

[04 Premiership Coach]

Hooray for Div 6,7 or below. With the mentality of some of these posts, most of you guys deserve to be at the bottom end of the footy chain. Do yourselves a favour, go to a well run club for 1 season, take in all you can learn then take it back to the clubs like Ovingham and put it into action. I bet you notice the difference.
With respect to those coaches named, they never get a second chance (except KK, he had 2 cracks at Wingfield)because the damage that is done is almost always terminal.

I guess some of you guys just can't see the forest for the trees, remove the Cane Reserve blinkers and the lower grade mentality, your club is suffering because of it!!!!

Tiger, I am with you, spot on in every respect!!!!

For starters all clubs pay the same dollars to the saafl,we help fund state trips and no player from div2 down goes.Higher grade clubs need to realise that if they think its hard to run their club trying doing it with no money to through around and less surport staff to help out.Most of these guys take there footy pretty seriously except for the oldtimers just having a kick,but to say we r in are own forrest?Ive played Safa, div2 a grade etc but have just as many friends and have meet great club men at other lower grade clubs as i did when i played higher grades,so ease up on the lower comp.

Spot on Wattle.Anyone would think Aceman has played SANFL.I played Div 1 for the mighty Kilburn in the 90's but you dont hear me rubbishing the lower grades.I think Aceman should have a look at himself in the mirror.

[wattle]

Hooray for Div 6,7 or below. With the mentality of some of these posts, most of you guys deserve to be at the bottom end of the footy chain. Do yourselves a favour, go to a well run club for 1 season, take in all you can learn then take it back to the clubs like Ovingham and put it into action. I bet you notice the difference.
With respect to those coaches named, they never get a second chance (except KK, he had 2 cracks at Wingfield)because the damage that is done is almost always terminal.

I guess some of you guys just can't see the forest for the trees, remove the Cane Reserve blinkers and the lower grade mentality, your club is suffering because of it!!!!

Tiger, I am with you, spot on in every respect!!!!

For starters all clubs pay the same dollars to the saafl,we help fund state trips and no player from div2 down goes.Higher grade clubs need to realise that if they think its hard to run their club trying doing it with no money to through around and less surport staff to help out.Most of these guys take there footy pretty seriously except for the oldtimers just having a kick,but to say we r in are own forrest?Ive played Safa, div2 a grade etc but have just as many friends and have meet great club men at other lower grade clubs as i did when i played higher grades,so ease up on the lower comp.

Spot on Wattle.Anyone would think Aceman has played SANFL.I played Div 1 for the mighty Kilburn in the 90's but you dont hear me rubbishing the lower grades.I think Aceman should have a look at himself in the mirror.

The mighty chicks hey,do you no Rat,Baggie,Mazey etc some gun footballers there,played with them myself but not with the chicks.Easy to sit back and have a crack at the lower grades,but wonder how much Rupurt and aceman do around there wonderfully strong,happy,successfull clubs

[TIRED TIGER]

wattle, saafl now has an under 23 state side of which several players from below div 2 participated in. it is open to any player under 23 so if they are good enough and dedicated enough to go to state training then they will make the side as will div 1 players. . all these guns you talk so freely about wouldnt be good enough to carry a higher division players bag. sorry if that seems harsh but it is the facts.

[wattle]

wattle, saafl now has an under 23 state side of which several players from below div 2 participated in. it is open to any player under 23 so if they are good enough and dedicated enough to go to state training then they will make the side as will div 1 players. . all these guns you talk so freely about wouldnt be good enough to carry a higher division players bag. sorry if that seems harsh but it is the facts.

TIRED TIGER The under 23 state side has only been around the last few years,lower clubs having been paying there way for years.Not saying these `guns' would make that state side,but some are still fair footballers and theres alot of good footballers running around in lower grades that wouldnt like to hear there not even good enough to carry someones boots.I no guys that have played div1 had a few years back in div 4 and lower,then went back to div1 and 2.Players play with mates or close to home etc,

[wattle]

wattle, saafl now has an under 23 state side of which several players from below div 2 participated in. it is open to any player under 23 so if they are good enough and dedicated enough to go to state training then they will make the side as will div 1 players. . all these guns you talk so freely about wouldnt be good enough to carry a higher division players bag. sorry if that seems harsh but it is the facts.

Just another note if the guns you were referring to were Rat,Mazzey and Baggie i mention, all played state football in the 90's and were all great players at the Kilburn football club

[BUZZ]

Sorry guys, dont want to sound like a dick but it does cost a hell of a lot more to feild an A1 side compared to an A5,6 or 7 side, an A1 side can look to fork out about 15k per year and then it slides down from there. Obviously the clubs in the higher grades can attract more lucerative sponsors which pay the coin for players, facilities and their nomination fee's.
Seaton earn approx. 15k per year from the Lakes for the signage on their club, there's the fee's paid so other sponsors are a cash cow for players and the like

[hawkseye]

I would love to see amatuer football be amatuers in all associations outside of sanfl and afl and be amatuer by not paying players. Would be interesting to see who the strong clubs would be. Just a thought. As i know it will never happen.

[BUZZ]

I would love to see amatuer football be amatuers in all associations outside of sanfl and afl and be amatuer by not paying players. Would be interesting to see who the strong clubs would be. Just a thought. As i know it will never happen.

Not since the salary cap keeps getting bigger, 35k now, ridiculous.... Half arse players who talk a good game somehow end up with 2-300 dollars in their pocket every week, ex AFL/SANFL players dont even get or deserve that.