SA Footy

Play college footy mid week and its problem solved

redyellow&blue wrote:TBH this points thing has been done to death, and will not change until the SACFL and SANFL put a foot down. with regards to college footy.

It's a bit ridiculous that the college system has so much power, even to the point of players being unavailable for SANFL teams.

Answer is simple. unless you've actually played the required amount of games at the specific amateur club, not the school, then you're a points player.

The college system wants it's cake, and wants to eat the whole thing too. If college A want's you, or forces you to play for the school first, then its bad luck for College side A who has a team in the amateur league. If player leaves College A at the end of his schooling to play for a country side, then comes back to college A Amateur club, then he should be points.

Exactly this.

Dutchy wrote:Play college footy mid week and its problem solved

Used to be Wednesdays, As i remember playing for Unley High, and we would play PAC, etc.

The other conceivable solution is to let Old Colls/Uni field junior sides in SANFL juniors etc.

From memory this happens in Melbourne, and I think SHOC have fielded some U18 teams in the AdFL from time to time.

jo172 wrote:The other conceivable solution is to let Old Colls/Uni field junior sides in SANFL juniors etc.

From memory this happens in Melbourne, and I think SHOC have fielded some U18 teams in the AdFL from time to time.

If memory serves, Pulteney Grammar also applied to enter juniors sides in the old Metro South (but don't think they ever actually put a team in?)

jo172 wrote:The other conceivable solution is to let Old Colls/Uni field junior sides in SANFL juniors etc.

From memory this happens in Melbourne, and I think SHOC have fielded some U18 teams in the AdFL from time to time.

SHOC had their 2nd team in the SANFL juniors system so they could get a game, as there isn't enough teams from college sides on the college system.

redyellow&blue wrote:

jo172 wrote:The other conceivable solution is to let Old Colls/Uni field junior sides in SANFL juniors etc.

From memory this happens in Melbourne, and I think SHOC have fielded some U18 teams in the AdFL from time to time.

SHOC had their 2nd team in the SANFL juniors system so they could get a game, as there isn't enough teams from college sides on the college system.

Shocs also have forfeited several games. Also made several clubs in surrounding areas job harder when they were feeding nonsense to the players to who went to their school. Can't believe they were allowed to fill a side after their carry on and forfeits

Yungmuney wrote:

redyellow&blue wrote:TBH this points thing has been done to death, and will not change until the SACFL and SANFL put a foot down. with regards to college footy.

It's a bit ridiculous that the college system has so much power, even to the point of players being unavailable for SANFL teams.

Answer is simple. unless you've actually played the required amount of games at the specific amateur club, not the school, then you're a points player.

The college system wants it's cake, and wants to eat the whole thing too. If college A want's you, or forces you to play for the school first, then its bad luck for College side A who has a team in the amateur league. If player leaves College A at the end of his schooling to play for a country side, then comes back to college A Amateur club, then he should be points.

Exactly this.

Yeah nah

It should NEVER work that way

Shortman wrote:

Yungmuney wrote:

redyellow&blue wrote:TBH this points thing has been done to death, and will not change until the SACFL and SANFL put a foot down. with regards to college footy.

It's a bit ridiculous that the college system has so much power, even to the point of players being unavailable for SANFL teams.

Answer is simple. unless you've actually played the required amount of games at the specific amateur club, not the school, then you're a points player.

The college system wants it's cake, and wants to eat the whole thing too. If college A want's you, or forces you to play for the school first, then its bad luck for College side A who has a team in the amateur league. If player leaves College A at the end of his schooling to play for a country side, then comes back to college A Amateur club, then he should be points.

Exactly this.

Yeah nah

It should NEVER work that way

Why not?

redyellow&blue wrote:

Shortman wrote:

Yungmuney wrote:

redyellow&blue wrote:TBH this points thing has been done to death, and will not change until the SACFL and SANFL put a foot down. with regards to college footy.

It's a bit ridiculous that the college system has so much power, even to the point of players being unavailable for SANFL teams.

Answer is simple. unless you've actually played the required amount of games at the specific amateur club, not the school, then you're a points player.

The college system wants it's cake, and wants to eat the whole thing too. If college A want's you, or forces you to play for the school first, then its bad luck for College side A who has a team in the amateur league. If player leaves College A at the end of his schooling to play for a country side, then comes back to college A Amateur club, then he should be points.

Exactly this.

Yeah nah

It should NEVER work that way

Why not?

So a player who plays all his junior footy for his school, due to no fault of his own, suddenly works to a different system than the majority of ammo footballers around the state ??

Yeah thats fair.

Exactly this

Yeah nah

It should NEVER work that way

Why not?

So a player who plays all his junior footy for his school, due to no fault of his own, suddenly works to a different system than the majority of ammo footballers around the state ??

Yeah thats fair.

Well, yeah. It is what it is. Due to no fault of his own? His parents decided to send him to Said school, or the school may be paying a scholarship to have him there.. the family could have said no. Kid could have said no. The Club isn't the one paying the Scholarship. Play the required 25 games for the club in question, and become a zero point player.

If the college school sides wish to run their own junior comp OUTSIDE of the SANFL system, OUTSIDE of the Amateur comp, why should the Amateur club reap the rewards of zero point players? why should they reap the reward of having x player go play SANFL/AFL/ country, then come back to the Amateur club, who had nothing to do with his development, as a zero point player?

he played for the school, not the club.

Lets flip the script then shall we? if you play for a college, and come out of the college system, and go and then play somewhere else before coming back to said college amateur club, without playing the required 25 or so games for the Amateur club in question, then you are a zero point player for all clubs in the Amateur league regardless.

redyellow&blue wrote:

Exactly this

Yeah nah

It should NEVER work that way

Why not?

So a player who plays all his junior footy for his school, due to no fault of his own, suddenly works to a different system than the majority of ammo footballers around the state ??

Yeah thats fair.

Well, yeah. It is what it is. Due to no fault of his own? His parents decided to send him to Said school, or the school may be paying a scholarship to have him there.. the family could have said no. Kid could have said no. The Club isn't the one paying the Scholarship. Play the required 25 games for the club in question, and become a zero point player.

If the college school sides wish to run their own junior comp OUTSIDE of the SANFL system, OUTSIDE of the Amateur comp, why should the Amateur club reap the rewards of zero point players? why should they reap the reward of having x player go play SANFL/AFL/ country, then come back to the Amateur club, who had nothing to do with his development, as a zero point player?

he played for the school, not the club.

Lets flip the script then shall we? if you play for a college, and come out of the college system, and go and then play somewhere else before coming back to said college amateur club, without playing the required 25 or so games for the Amateur club in question, then you are a zero point player for all clubs in the Amateur league regardless.

Yeah its the kids fault, and the parents certainly arent thinking about how many points their son is worth once he graduates.

Sounds like a bitter, sour grapes argument to me

Not at all. and I see you did not even try to debunk one single point I made besides, "oh why won't someone think of the children??"

It's a fairness argument. The age is irrelevant. The school(s) has chosen it's path, and that's having it's own system.

You seem to be advocating, and happy with, a two tiered system whereby some Amateur clubs in the Adelaide Footy league get a free pass on points just because someone went to the school with the same name as an amateur league club, even though they have never actually played for that specific Amateur league club.

I even gave you an out, by suggesting that if they leave their said college , go and play SANFL/AFL/Country, whatever, and want to return to the ADFL, that they can return as a zero point player to ANY club in the ADFL, thereby opening up opportunities for any club to go after them , rather then being zero points for one club, and 3 points for another.

Being devils advocate and someone who grew up at Craigmore/Smithfield high.

A point being slightly lost is so many of there old scholars won’t to go back and play at their school club rather than any local club they had any involvement with. They obviously do something right to attract players back to their club.

I would never have considered doing anything for a Craigmore old scholars team had it came into exsistance haha.

Can't believe a clerical error from a working class Northern 'burbs club has turned into a 2 page debate about college kids,.

redyellow&blue wrote:Not at all. and I see you did not even try to debunk one single point I made besides, "oh why won't someone think of the children??"

It's a fairness argument. The age is irrelevant. The school(s) has chosen it's path, and that's having it's own system.

You seem to be advocating, and happy with, a two tiered system whereby some Amateur clubs in the Adelaide Footy league get a free pass on points just because someone went to the school with the same name as an amateur league club, even though they have never actually played for that specific Amateur league club.

I even gave you an out, by suggesting that if they leave their said college , go and play SANFL/AFL/Country, whatever, and want to return to the ADFL, that they can return as a zero point player to ANY club in the ADFL, thereby opening up opportunities for any club to go after them , rather then being zero points for one club, and 3 points for another.

You didnt make any, nor to did you answer mine.

Why should should the college clubs be at a disadvantage compared to the community clubs ?? You hypocritically suggest a 'free pass' for college clubs..... utterly ridiculous. A lot of work does go into OS clubs and their associations with the AdFL affiliates. Fairness doesn't come into your argument at all.

Sure PAC are having an unreal run now, but it wont always be that way.

whufc wrote:Being devils advocate and someone who grew up at Craigmore/Smithfield high.

A point being slightly lost is so many of there old scholars won’t to go back and play at their school club rather than any local club they had any involvement with. They obviously do something right to attract players back to their club.

I would never have considered doing anything for a Craigmore old scholars team had it came into exsistance haha.

This is it

Plenty of ROCS boys havent set foot in the red and black either.

redyellow&blue wrote:TBH this points thing has been done to death, and will not change until the SACFL and SANFL put a foot down. with regards to college footy.

It's a bit ridiculous that the college system has so much power, even to the point of players being unavailable for SANFL teams.

Answer is simple. unless you've actually played the required amount of games at the specific amateur club, not the school, then you're a points player.

The college system wants it's cake, and wants to eat the whole thing too. If college A want's you, or forces you to play for the school first, then its bad luck for College side A who has a team in the amateur league. If player leaves College A at the end of his schooling to play for a country side, then comes back to college A Amateur club, then he should be points.

You can always do what Greg Anderson did and leave college to play where you want. Because, you know, playing footy is everything in life.
Anderson did what he thought best and it probably was because he could play senior footy at such a young age.

Its just too bad that the public schools gave up their participation in school footy.
Remember the great high school footy sides? I do. Where did they go?
The high schools gave away their footy, IMO, to their detriment
Dont think the private schools will do the same.
And **** off with the notion that the kids are only coached by suburban clubs and the colleges benefit from it
The colleges put a crapload of funding into the football programme
The college coaches are as good as, if not, better.

Jimmy_041 wrote:

redyellow&blue wrote:TBH this points thing has been done to death, and will not change until the SACFL and SANFL put a foot down. with regards to college footy.

It's a bit ridiculous that the college system has so much power, even to the point of players being unavailable for SANFL teams.

Answer is simple. unless you've actually played the required amount of games at the specific amateur club, not the school, then you're a points player.

The college system wants it's cake, and wants to eat the whole thing too. If college A want's you, or forces you to play for the school first, then its bad luck for College side A who has a team in the amateur league. If player leaves College A at the end of his schooling to play for a country side, then comes back to college A Amateur club, then he should be points.

You can always do what Greg Anderson did and leave college to play where you want. Because, you know, playing footy is everything in life.

Its just too bad that the public schools gave up their participation in school footy.
Remember the great high school footy sides? I do. Where did they go?

Were the high school footy sides affiliated with a senior AdFL club & therefore zero points or are you talking before the points system came in

Hey day of high school footy was well before Apps. Hell is APPS only 10 years old or thereabouts?