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Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:50 am
by Dogwatcher
Bag & Sledge wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:Interesting that the BL&G was discussing its own salary cap last season.


There are a lot of things discussed Dogwatcher, it doesn't necessarily mean that any clubs agree with it.

The Salary Cap is still the most absurd thing to ever be introduced for country football in South Australia.
Imagine owning for example a local real estate company-
The Government contacts your business to dictate that you can only give your best employee $500 a week and under no circumstances you are to pay any employee anymore than that even though one or two salesmen are selling the most houses for their business.
Yep... ridiculous really...


The BL&G was pushing for it.
But I get your point.

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2015 9:41 am
by Mr Beefy
Bag & Sledge wrote:
heater31 wrote:
If you classify football players as 'employees' then you should be submitting paperwork to the ATO and paying superannuation. We are at the point the cash payments are equal to the weekly payments for a Monday to Friday job.


Can't have it both ways......you are either an amateur sports club or Sports business which one do you want to be?


And if the club does submit their paperwork and pay superannuation?
All these ridiculous rules being put in place, first the points system, now a salary cap. Anything else before they completely kill country footy?
Go and check the payments given out in Victoria for some country football clubs, allegedly most clubs start at $300k a year. That's an issue, not the SA Country Clubs who are paying $100k a year.
One club in Victoria allegedly paid $480k this year.

The Geelong Football League has set it's Salary Cap at $150k. Given that the GFL is the No. 1 rated league in Vic Country, I think your starting price of $300k is way off the mark.

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:54 am
by Bag & Sledge
How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:56 am
by jo172
Bag & Sledge wrote:How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.


You mean the Channel 9 Adelaide Football League?

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:00 am
by Bag & Sledge
jo172 wrote:
Bag & Sledge wrote:How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.


You mean the Channel 9 Adelaide Football League?


Is this the reason for the name change so players could be paid?

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:12 am
by Q.
Lol

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:21 am
by Mr Beefy
Bag & Sledge wrote:How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.

Of course they dont :roll:

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:11 pm
by Look Good In Leather
Bag & Sledge wrote:How do the Community Football League and South Australian Amateur Football League allow Amateur clubs to pay their players anyway?
The Victorian Amaateur Football League still don't pay their players!
AMATEUR=
1. One who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as a pastime rather than as a profession.
2. An athlete who has never accepted money, or who accepts money under restrictions specified by a regulatory body, for participating in a competition.


This article explains it:
http://library.la84.org/SportsLibrary/S ... t1502g.pdf

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:58 am
by jo172
Just reading through the Regs, when I, as a committee member buy the best on ground a beer in recognition of their great game I seem to be making a football payment which is not declared on the player's contract rendering both the player and the club liable to sanctions.

The drafting (which I understand needed to be as broad as possible) is problematic

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:17 am
by Mythical Creature
What if i as a good team mate (this could be debated) decide to buy a box of beer for everyone to share after the game, is this deemed to be a payment?

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:31 am
by Footy Chick
haha, box of beer :lol:

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:45 am
by jo172
Mythical Creature wrote:What if i as a good team mate (this could be debated) decide to buy a box of beer for everyone to share after the game, is this deemed to be a payment?


What if I bet the clubs 5 best players $5,000 that Carlton will beat Hawthorn when they play them?

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:59 am
by Mr Beefy
jo172 wrote:
Mythical Creature wrote:What if i as a good team mate (this could be debated) decide to buy a box of beer for everyone to share after the game, is this deemed to be a payment?


What if I bet the clubs 5 best players $5,000 that Carlton will beat Hawthorn when they play them?

What if Carlton win?

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:03 am
by jo172
Mr Beefy wrote:
jo172 wrote:
Mythical Creature wrote:What if i as a good team mate (this could be debated) decide to buy a box of beer for everyone to share after the game, is this deemed to be a payment?


What if I bet the clubs 5 best players $5,000 that Carlton will beat Hawthorn when they play them?

What if Carlton win?


$10,000 on Hawthorn's opponent next week!

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 9:32 am
by Lightning McQueen
Mythical Creature wrote:What if i as a good team mate (this could be debated) decide to buy a box of beer for everyone to share after the game, is this deemed to be a payment?


MC?
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Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 1:46 pm
by Look Good In Leather
jo172 wrote:Just reading through the Regs, when I, as a committee member buy the best on ground a beer in recognition of their great game I seem to be making a football payment which is not declared on the player's contract rendering both the player and the club liable to sanctions.


It is to stop people cheating the system

First it's a beer
Next it's a bottle of wine
Next it's a case of Grange
Next it's a vineyard...

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:13 pm
by Footy Chick
Mmmmm.....Vineyard :tonqe:

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:00 pm
by Jimmy_041
Look Good In Leather wrote:
jo172 wrote:Just reading through the Regs, when I, as a committee member buy the best on ground a beer in recognition of their great game I seem to be making a football payment which is not declared on the player's contract rendering both the player and the club liable to sanctions.


It is to stop people cheating the system

First it's a beer
Next it's a bottle of wine
Next it's a case of Jacob's Creek
Next it's a vineyard...


Edited for accuracy for PNU members

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:09 pm
by jo172
Jimmy_041 wrote:
Look Good In Leather wrote:
jo172 wrote:Just reading through the Regs, when I, as a committee member buy the best on ground a beer in recognition of their great game I seem to be making a football payment which is not declared on the player's contract rendering both the player and the club liable to sanctions.


It is to stop people cheating the system

First it's a beer
Next it's a bottle of vodka
Next it's a case of UDL Cans
Next it's a distillery...


Edited for accuracy for PNU members


Edited for our demographic and their awful taste in booze

Re: Club Payments Crackdown

PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:35 pm
by Q.
Thought they mostly drank Ouzo up that way :D