SA Footy

JesseWhite wrote:

redyellow&blue wrote:

The Bedge wrote:

redyellow&blue wrote:Would not be surprised if a number of clubs are investigated from D1 through to D6, inc SANFL with some of the signings and $$ being bandied around atm.

the SACFL would be fielding quite a few calls right about now..

Plenty of ways around money issues ie jobs or coaching roles

True, but the league squashed the whole co-coaches/big coin thing the other year so trying that won't work, and i doubt you could sell the "oh he works the bar for 2 hours every Thursday for $150 an hour" contract either...

and i doubt they are finding 4/5/6 jobs for the 4/5/6 players coming into a team.

Love/family/ i know the bloke he's my mate might get you a discount on a brand player... but still gonna cost regardless.

Old Scholars clubs can easily find small jobs outside of the direct club association to make it worthwhile to players, it won't surprise me if we end up with 7 or 8 Old Scholars in Div 1 at some point in the next decade.

Agree with the above and particularly the last part. Have known players this off season personally who have left community clubs for Old Collegian teams due to being offered jobs, that had fairly decent terms attached.. Not that the league can necessarily regulate that tightly. Obviously the old scholar connection and playing with school friends is a big incentive in itself and community clubs might do similar at times too. But it’s becoming more commonplace imo.
But yes, wouldn’t be surprised if SHOC replace a Brighton, Glenunga or Pnu in Div 1 next season and teams like Westminster, Pembroke and the like continue to push up the grades.

That was always Kernanhan's goal when he started. Div 1 full of old scholar teams. Points & salary cap is purely for their benefit

Saying that it was his goal is a ridiculous statement. The overall standard of comps from D1-5 has improved substantially especially in the last 4-5 years. Clubs with a continuous flow of quality juniors whether it be through a junior program or through schools are the ones filling the very large majority of the top 3 comps. That’s the real factor imo.

beef wrote:That was always Kernanhan's goal when he started. Div 1 full of old scholar teams. Points & salary cap is purely for their benefit

Executive Member wrote:

beef wrote:That was always Kernanhan's goal when he started. Div 1 full of old scholar teams. Points & salary cap is purely for their benefit

Sad part is there are spastics out there that would actually believe this… particularly in the lower grades - another excuse for their poor grading, it’s never the clubs fault.

beef wrote:That was always Kernanhan's goal when he started. Div 1 full of old scholar teams. Points & salary cap is purely for their benefit

Except that was the Community Football League.

It is an interesting result that measures brought in by the CFL to save country leagues from themselves are having this by-product though.

jo172 wrote:

beef wrote:That was always Kernanhan's goal when he started. Div 1 full of old scholar teams. Points & salary cap is purely for their benefit

Except that was the Community Football League.

It is an interesting result that measures brought in by the CFL to save country leagues from themselves are having this by-product though.

Yeah, its a fair point. i was chatting to the footy director of Kersbrook over the weekend and he was saying that he cant remember it ever being this difficult to recruit players to country footy and that is being felt by alot of clubs in their league. Those that are holding to the cap are often losing players to metro clubs who can offer similar coin and far less travel.

Sass! wrote:

jo172 wrote:

beef wrote:That was always Kernanhan's goal when he started. Div 1 full of old scholar teams. Points & salary cap is purely for their benefit

Except that was the Community Football League.

It is an interesting result that measures brought in by the CFL to save country leagues from themselves are having this by-product though.

Yeah, its a fair point. i was chatting to the footy director of Kersbrook over the weekend and he was saying that he cant remember it ever being this difficult to recruit players to country footy and that is being felt by alot of clubs in their league. Those that are holding to the cap are often losing players to metro clubs who can offer similar coin and far less travel.

Given how long we're into APPS/TPPS it's probably worthwhile the SANFL and CFL taking time to zoom out a bit and examine whether they are working as intended.

Feels as if a great degree of effort has gone into tinkering with the edges to try and achieve the perceived purpose of each, but a deeper philosophical review of, what are we trying to achieve, and is this the way to achieve it might be due.

jo172 wrote:

Sass! wrote:

jo172 wrote:

beef wrote:That was always Kernanhan's goal when he started. Div 1 full of old scholar teams. Points & salary cap is purely for their benefit

Except that was the Community Football League.

It is an interesting result that measures brought in by the CFL to save country leagues from themselves are having this by-product though.

Yeah, its a fair point. i was chatting to the footy director of Kersbrook over the weekend and he was saying that he cant remember it ever being this difficult to recruit players to country footy and that is being felt by alot of clubs in their league. Those that are holding to the cap are often losing players to metro clubs who can offer similar coin and far less travel.

Given how long we're into APPS/TPPS it's probably worthwhile the SANFL and CFL taking time to zoom out a bit and examine whether they are working as intended.

Feels as if a great degree of effort has gone into tinkering with the edges to try and achieve the perceived purpose of each, but a deeper philosophical review of, what are we trying to achieve, and is this the way to achieve it might be due.

What's this? Someone asking for a holistic view of how things are run in the state? Poppyc*ck!

Na, I'm with ya Jo. In all seriousness, these decisions are made in isolation without any thought of the after, or flow on effects. The SANFL league can't survive being a second tier comp to the AFL with the current rules in play. We've seen many teams lose players to Ammo's and country because of the reasons stated here and elsewhere. Till someone lifts their glasses and views beyond the horizon, the SANFL will be stuffed.

I see the SANFL as a fork in the road for players of the calibre who would normally be good enough to play SANFL but not AFL standard. Should I stick around with my SANFL club and ply my trade, getting mediocre money, having to work full time (and possibly jepoardising my living by playing footy) and train several times a week or should I go and play a lower level, train twice to three times a week and have a successful career? Most are sticking with the SANFL, but for how long?

Those that see the SANFL as a stepping stone for AFL will definitely stay but all it will take is some players to be taken from Hope Valley (for instance) straight to the AFL and players will realise you don't need to play for the SANFL clubs to get drafted. That could start the exodus. I hope I'm wrong.

Equally the current state of community footy in terms of the divergence of responsibility between the SANFL, CFL and each affiliated league, the make up of the respective leagues, the operation of junior footy (particularly with respect to SANFL Juniors) appears to have happened, over the last decade at least, with a series of well meaning intentional decisions that each make perfect sense in isolation, but without the whole structure being considered.

This has happened at the same time as the women's footy explosion which has exacerbated a number of structural issues in the sport and at a community level.

Just strikes me that it might be worthwhile doing a pretty high level re-think as to football in this state below the AFL as a whole as where we are now seems largely a product of a series of smaller decisions caused by immediate circumstances rather than a broad strategy.

massive signing for mitcham with josh watt from brighton making his away across

jo172 wrote:Equally the current state of community footy in terms of the divergence of responsibility between the SANFL, CFL and each affiliated league, the make up of the respective leagues, the operation of junior footy (particularly with respect to SANFL Juniors) appears to have happened, over the last decade at least, with a series of well meaning intentional decisions that each make perfect sense in isolation, but without the whole structure being considered.

This has happened at the same time as the women's footy explosion which has exacerbated a number of structural issues in the sport and at a community level.

Just strikes me that it might be worthwhile doing a pretty high level re-think as to football in this state below the AFL as a whole as where we are now seems largely a product of a series of smaller decisions caused by immediate circumstances rather than a broad strategy.

I think you and I, and most agree. Problem is, for anything to be fixed, it needs to be recognised first. Is there anyway to communicate these issues to this group? Will they listen, or are they happy to just keep on looking at the 'now'?

harambe1 wrote:massive signing for mitcham with josh watt from brighton making his away across

Haven’t heard his name before? Handy player is he? Would like to know who Justin calderbank can get at the hawks seeing as though his reputation isn’t the greatest from what I have heard.

Sticks28 wrote:

harambe1 wrote:massive signing for mitcham with josh watt from brighton making his away across

Haven’t heard his name before? Handy player is he? Would like to know who Justin calderbank can get at the hawks seeing as though his reputation isn’t the greatest from what I have heard.

You might be very surprised Sticks28 as to what Calderbank can recruit to Mitcham and in fact even more surprised as to the quality person and coach he is. Maybe you are listening to the wrong people. Phone someone from Brighton, they could tell you.

Ask anyone at Edwardstown about him…

Okay in the first year but after that…

jake the snake wrote:Ask anyone at Edwardstown about him…

Okay in the first year but after that…

Yeah that's what i've heard - not a lot of positive things said about him. Heard he's got a big FIGJAM personality and it's backfired at alot of clubs

harambe1 wrote:massive signing for mitcham with josh watt from brighton making his away across

16 games got in the best 6 times and kicked 7 goals in the magoos!!! Not sure that is a massive signing

hollywood7477 wrote:

harambe1 wrote:massive signing for mitcham with josh watt from brighton making his away across

16 games got in the best 6 times and kicked 7 goals in the magoos!!! Not sure that is a massive signing

What position does he play?

Brodlach wrote:

hollywood7477 wrote:

harambe1 wrote:massive signing for mitcham with josh watt from brighton making his away across

16 games got in the best 6 times and kicked 7 goals in the magoos!!! Not sure that is a massive signing

What position does he play?

I think harambe1 might be taking the pi55 and probably one of his mates. That said Watt will be a good fit at Hawkland as he wants to play with some mates. He is a tall who plays ruck, CHB and rests forward at times and can kick goals, plus he’s a dedicated and disciplined player.

When’s most clubs starting pre season? Heard a fair few clubs starting next week and week after - what’s everyone’s opinions on when pre season should start?