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Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:17 amby FlyingHigh
Starc really was a one-man show in the second innings, March was the only other bowler it felt like was going to create something.
Bolland, apart from a couple overs after lunch, was ordinary, Cummins tried but understandably would be cooked after the last month. Murphy was never given a chance really in either innings.
There was something that looked disjointed about our efforts this Test. We either played it like a dead rubber or just a gut feeling there is some disharmony or factions behind the scenes deeper than just Warner.
A little thing that happened towards the end, and did wouldn't have made any difference. It appeared as though Dharmesena was in contact with the Third umpire before calling a wide. It could have been he got a whisper in his ear about a no ball and then signalled a wide, but calling a wide would be a fairly instinctive, instantaneous call. Or can the Third umpire step about a wide, which I've never seen or heard before and if they can that is a disgrace given a couple bowled to Head the previous day and also last Test when we were batting.
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:33 amby mighty_tiger_79
Does this mean the Poms won the series 3-0 after what they said after the first 2
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 11:20 amby mots02
Where's the Review?
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:29 pmby tigerpie
Can't have Marsh and Boland bowling 132kmh in the same team.
Pick your best 5 bowlers full stop.
If Murphy isn't in the top 5 then he doesn't play, bowl trav instead.
Poor second innings batting killed the game for us not the bowling.
We didn't take advantage of them being a bowler down.
Warner will stay in and grind out another ugly 50 next test....well I hope he does or we may lose the next game.
You can't put head up to open, maybe Lab, but he's not in the greatest touch either.
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:34 pmby Armchair expert
Out Boland In Hazlewood
Out Warner In Anyone
Out Bowling Short In Bowling Full
Out Defensive Fields In Aggressive Fields
Out Losing the toss In Winning the toss
Out Clouds In Sunshine
maybe Out Murphy In Neser depending on county match performance
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:41 pmby Dutchy
Disappointing but also glad the series is alive from a selfish point of view. We were very lucking our middle order kept us in that game.
While Im not a huge fan of him in the whites, I saw someone mention that Zampa should be on the plane, get the ball moving away from the Bazball bats, I think it should happen.
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:44 pmby am Bays
Bottom line, we need to bat big and long in our first innings at Old Trafford and make 500 plus
That puts the pressure on them to make the running and push the game forward.
When they have to push the envelope with Baz ball they make mistakes and wickets fall.
This test they could play smart with their batting and go at 4-5 an over rather than 5-6.
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 12:57 pmby whufc
am Bays wrote:Bottom line, we need to bat big and long in our first innings at Old Trafford and make 500 plus
That puts the pressure on them to make the running and push the game forward.
When they have to push the envelope with Baz ball they make mistakes and wickets fall.
This test they could play smart with their batting and go at 4-5 an over rather than 5-6.
Agree. That 4-5 seems to be there natural scoring rate through the sheer fact they play alot of shots and go hard at the ball. Anytime they try and push above that is when it all turns to shit.
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:25 pmby cokadonkeytoo
Easy to go at 4-5 an over when there's a deep point and deep square leg from ball one!! Just ridiculous
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:31 pmby FlyingHigh
Armchair expert wrote:Out Boland In Hazlewood
Out Warner In Anyone
Out Bowling Short In Bowling Full
Out Defensive Fields In Aggressive Fields
Out Losing the toss In Winning the toss
Out Clouds In Sunshine
maybe Out Murphy In Neser depending on county match performance
Out Warner In Chappelli
Out Cummins (c) In Chappelli (c)
Wouldn't score any less, and wouldn't use the tactics we have, because, like he said about the underarm delivery, doesn't believe in conceding the opposition players were better than his, which it feels like when we go to this short ball game
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 1:44 pmby Senor Moto Gadili
Dutchy wrote:Disappointing but also glad the series is alive from a selfish point of view. We were very lucking our middle order kept us in that game.
While Im not a huge fan of him in the whites, I saw someone mention that Zampa should be on the plane, get the ball moving away from the Bazball bats, I think it should happen.
Zanpa can't turn his leg break can he?
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:46 pmby Dutchy
Senor Moto Gadili wrote:Dutchy wrote:Disappointing but also glad the series is alive from a selfish point of view. We were very lucking our middle order kept us in that game.
While Im not a huge fan of him in the whites, I saw someone mention that Zampa should be on the plane, get the ball moving away from the Bazball bats, I think it should happen.
Zanpa can't turn his leg break can he?
yeah probably a fair call!
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 2:56 pmby whufc
Going to be interesting to see how Alex Carey deals with being public enemy number 1 over there. He seems like he would probably be a pretty decent bloke and not someone who would normally want to be in the focus that much.
Failed with the bat twice this test (albeit the second innings dismissal was one that bounced a bit extra)
Kept really well but did drop that the 50/50 chance at the crucial stage.
Will be interesting to see how he plays for the rest of the series. Fingers crossed we need his runs and time at the crease given how vunerable our bottom 4 are.
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:13 pmby batmanbegins
My word that was nerve racking last night. Good to see Brooky bat well, geez his dismissal made me almost lose my mind though. Was great to see two of the good guys in Wood and Woakes make such a big difference and basically win us the game. Wood since he came back in St Lucia a few years ago has just been rapid and is by far my favourite cricketer with his infectious attitude.
Plenty to ponder for both sides, for us do you keep standing by JB even though his keeping is shot? I assume Jimmy will come back for Robinson next test at his home ground. Who bats 3? If stokes isn't bowling he's technically best suited but do we want to change him from 6.
Hazlewood coming back for Boland will solve a lot of your problems at Manchester, your 3 main bowlers are still elite.
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:22 pmby locky801
Matches and series like this put to bed the theory and comments that Test cricket is dying or dead.
win, lose or draw these first three tests have been up there, something always happening,
Last night could have gone either way in the end, bit like the second test, In this test Englands tail batting and supporting Stokes in the 1st innings got them over the line IMO, they were 5/87 and ended up 237. We were 4/240, all out 263
Love these lower scores, but you would think in the next test or 2, 500+ could be on the cards
Be interesting to see the Aussie lineup for the next test, if Warner plays lets just hope he gets some runs,
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:55 pmby Aerie
Much better spectacle than Lords. A good pitch. We could've easily won, but so could've England the first two. 2-1 is fair enough. England played a bit smarter than they did the first two Tests. Hopefully we win a toss before the series is out.
My XI for 4th Test
Khawaja
Labuschagne
Head
Smith
Green
Marsh
Carey
Starc
Cummins
Murphy
Hazlewood
A bit of a reshuffle. I would take this line up into the Australian summer too - except Lyon back in when fit.
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:33 pmby mal
I have the same team and the same batting order as Aerie
Opening with LAB means MARSH gets a gig as well
Worth opening with LAB as he has done little this tour
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:41 pmby RoosterMan
Hostile Ashes crowd ‘worse than bikies and killers’
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Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:45 pmby Spargo
Re: Ashes 2023
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Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:00 pmby The Dark Knight
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/head ... ns-13866141- Previous instance of England winning the third match of an Ashes series after losing the first two. Before this series, England lost the first two matches of an Ashes series on 19 occasions but won the following Test only once - which was in a three-match series during their 1891-92 tour.
5.08- England's run rate during the fourth innings in Leeds, the fifth highest for a successful chase of a 250-plus target. Four of the top six fastest 250-plus run chases in Test cricket have now been completed by England under the leadership of Ben Stokes and Brendon McCullum.
5- Number of successful 250-plus chases by England in Test cricket since June 2022. Only twice have they lost chasing 250-plus in this period - by one run against New Zealand in Wellington earlier this year and in their previous game at Lord's. During the same timeframe, the remaining Test teams won only three out of the 15 attempted chases of 250 runs or more.
2019- The last instance of Australia losing a Test match where they lost the toss - that was also against England in 2019, in their previous Leeds thriller. Between the two defeats at Headingley, Australia lost the toss in 11 Tests but won ten games. Last year's high-scoring draw at Rawalpindi, against Pakistan, was the only exception.
1058- Balls Harry Brook needed to complete 1000 runs in Test cricket, making him the fastest man to get there in terms of balls faced. The previous quickest was Colin de Grandhomme, who got to the milestone in 1140 balls. Ben Duckett, who got to 1000 Test runs at Lord's, needed 1168 balls to get there and is now the fourth quickest, while Tim Southee (1167) is at number three.
17 Test innings needed for Brook to reach 1000 runs, the joint-third fastest for England. Only Herbert Sutcliffe (12) and Len Hutton (16) took fewer innings than Brook, while Gary Ballance also reached there in 17 innings.
59 Partnership between Brook and Chris Woakes for the seventh wicket in the run chase. It was the only fifty-plus stand for England in the entire match. Only once have England won a Test in the last 40 years with a highest partnership lower than 59 runs - against West Indies at Bridgetown in 2004.