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Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:13 pm
by Eagles2014
heater31 wrote:
Booney wrote:Or, SACA could take it out of the clubs hands and give them two years to create a merger agreement with another club or you're out.

Well that went well recently.....


Bonney makes a great point. The difference is, going from 13 to 12 teams makes no difference whatsoever. If they said we are going to 8 teams in 2019/20 season, gives clubs two years to sort it out. Merge or gone. Think clubs would be more receptive to this, rather than trying to bully a team out because their neighbouring club can't field 16 Whites.

I personally don't think the number of District Clubs has anything to do with it, just a cop out excuse. We have the least number of clubs in 1st Grade than any other State. It all comes down to the High Performance department, it is their responsibility and maybe Tim Nielsen should be moved on instead of trying to lay the blame elsewhere.

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:26 pm
by am Bays
So we should have the fewest clubs

We also have the lowest population of any mainland capital

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:01 pm
by Lightning McQueen
Excuse my ignorance but didn't we finish top last season?

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:03 pm
by Eagles2014
Lightning McQueen wrote:Excuse my ignorance but didn't we finish top last season?


Exactly, people just bring out the excuse of too many teams etc to validate their argument.

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:04 pm
by Booney
Eagles2014 wrote:
heater31 wrote:
Booney wrote:Or, SACA could take it out of the clubs hands and give them two years to create a merger agreement with another club or you're out.

Well that went well recently.....


Bonney makes a great point. The difference is, going from 13 to 12 teams makes no difference whatsoever. If they said we are going to 8 teams in 2019/20 season, gives clubs two years to sort it out. Merge or gone. Think clubs would be more receptive to this, rather than trying to bully a team out because their neighbouring club can't field 16 Whites.

I personally don't think the number of District Clubs has anything to do with it, just a cop out excuse. We have the least number of clubs in 1st Grade than any other State. It all comes down to the High Performance department, it is their responsibility and maybe Tim Nielsen should be moved on instead of trying to lay the blame elsewhere.


Reducing the competition to 8 clubs isn't just going to solve the problem, for sure, what will solve the problem is the pathways through to that 8 team competition being more elite. Imagine the U16 competition with 8 teams, from an early age you, as the elite, are pitted against the other elite and you'll make or break a 1st class career there. It wouldn't be at grade level that the change is noticed but under age level before they get to grade level.

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:12 pm
by Booney
Eagles2014 wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Excuse my ignorance but didn't we finish top last season?


Exactly, people just bring out the excuse of too many teams etc to validate their argument.


And that's a pretty small sample size to look at when you consider our performances over the last 20 years ( since we on it ).

Since '95/96 we've made 1 final ( last year ) not been 2nd, 3 times 3rd, 4 times 4th, twice fifth and 10 times, yes 10 times dead last in the last 20 years! Stick your "didn't we finish top last year". We've been consistently shit.

We finished last the year before last, so went bottom to top.

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:16 pm
by heater31
I'll refer to my post yesterday..... 3 of our supposedly gun First Class batsmen don't feature in the top 50 averages for First Grade this season. The question needs to be asked why are they not dominating the amateur First Grade players that have a full time job outside of cricket and train twice a week after work?

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 4:19 pm
by Booney
heater31 wrote:I'll refer to my post yesterday..... 3 of our supposedly gun First Class batsmen don't feature in the top 50 averages for First Grade this season. The question needs to be asked why are they not dominating the amateur First Grade players that have a full time job outside of cricket and train twice a week after work?


Like the old Australian Team adage, "Easier to get into it than get out of it".

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:09 pm
by amber_fluid
Booney wrote:
Eagles2014 wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Excuse my ignorance but didn't we finish top last season?


Exactly, people just bring out the excuse of too many teams etc to validate their argument.


And that's a pretty small sample size to look at when you consider our performances over the last 20 years ( since we on it ).

Since '95/96 we've made 1 final ( last year ) not been 2nd, 3 times 3rd, 4 times 4th, twice fifth and 10 times, yes 10 times dead last in the last 20 years! Stick your "didn't we finish top last year". We've been consistently shit.

We finished last the year before last, so went bottom to top.


Nice stats Booney!
There is no hiding from the fact the redbacks have been consistently shite since their last Shield title.

I see the odd district game each year but what is the standard actually like?
How does it compare/differ to Sydney or Melbourne district cricket?

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:16 pm
by The Dark Knight
NSW v Queensland

Queensland first innings 434
Hartley 86 not out (239 balls)
Steketee 53 (150)
Somerville 8/136 from 58.5 overs

QLD second innings 1/123
Burns 88 not out

Match Drawn

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:38 pm
by Jack
Heres a list of Bonus Points gained in the 17 games over the last 2 seasons

33.73 South Australia
29.80 Victoria
28.97 Queensland
26.69 New South Wales
27.11 Western Australia
23.27 Tasmania

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 7:59 pm
by heater31
Jack wrote:Heres a list of Bonus Points gained in the 17 games over the last 2 seasons

33.73 South Australia
29.80 Victoria
28.97 Queensland
26.69 New South Wales
27.11 Western Australia
23.27 Tasmania



Bloody hell the First Grade system must be ****** :roll: :shock:

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:10 am
by carey
Would a side prefer to be top of the Bonus points list or win a shield?????

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:21 am
by heater31
carey wrote:Would a side prefer to be top of the Bonus points list or win a shield?????

Well to win a shield first you must win bonus points ;)

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:28 am
by Lightning McQueen
carey wrote:Would a side prefer to be top of the Bonus points list or win a shield?????

A couple of howlers against us in the final last season made a world of difference.

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:28 am
by MatteeG
Jack wrote:Heres a list of Bonus Points gained in the 17 games over the last 2 seasons

33.73 South Australia
29.80 Victoria
28.97 Queensland
26.69 New South Wales
27.11 Western Australia
23.27 Tasmania


Pretty much just shows we either win well or get absolutely pantsed.

Can we get stats on which teams actually make it to the last day of a game?

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:33 am
by Lightning McQueen
Booney wrote:
And that's a pretty small sample size to look at when you consider our performances over the last 20 years ( since we on it ).

Since '95/96 we've made 1 final ( last year ) not been 2nd, 3 times 3rd, 4 times 4th, twice fifth and 10 times, yes 10 times dead last in the last 20 years! Stick your "didn't we finish top last year". We've been consistently shit.

We finished last the year before last, so went bottom to top.

Not that it's the case in this instance but what would you prefer?
A: A flag every 5 years but finishing 4, 5 or 6 in between.
B: A flag every 10 years but being around the top 4 most seasons.
C: A flag every 15 years and making the final on a regular basis.

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:58 am
by Jim05
Lightning McQueen wrote:
Booney wrote:
And that's a pretty small sample size to look at when you consider our performances over the last 20 years ( since we on it ).

Since '95/96 we've made 1 final ( last year ) not been 2nd, 3 times 3rd, 4 times 4th, twice fifth and 10 times, yes 10 times dead last in the last 20 years! Stick your "didn't we finish top last year". We've been consistently shit.

We finished last the year before last, so went bottom to top.

Not that it's the case in this instance but what would you prefer?
A: A flag every 5 years but finishing 4, 5 or 6 in between.
B: A flag every 10 years but being around the top 4 most seasons.
C: A flag every 15 years and making the final on a regular basis.

A for me.
Flags are all that matters, I'd be happy winning one every 5 years and finishing stone motherless last the other 4 years

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:01 am
by Lightning McQueen
Jim05 wrote:A for me.
Flags are all that matters, I'd be happy winning one every 5 years and finishing stone motherless last the other 4 years

safooty.net would go into meltdown with sack Jamie FFS's

Re: Australian Domestic Season 2016/2017

PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:42 am
by Booney
heater31 wrote:
Jack wrote:Heres a list of Bonus Points gained in the 17 games over the last 2 seasons

33.73 South Australia
29.80 Victoria
28.97 Queensland
26.69 New South Wales
27.11 Western Australia
23.27 Tasmania



Bloody hell the First Grade system must be ****** :roll: :shock:


I wonder how many of those points for other states have been scored against us?