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SACA Director of Cricket, Jamie Cox, last night confirmed that a new elite cricket competition will be launched by SACA in season 2012/13.

Speaking to Grade clubs at a briefing at Adelaide Oval last night Cox said that the introduction of what will be known as the Premer League, was the best way to reform the state’s elite cricket pathway so that young local players were given the best opportunity to become ‘first-class ready’.

“The contemporary demands placed on Grade clubs to develop elite players are now too great for them to manage unassisted,” said Cox.

“Consisting of four newly formed South Australian teams, the new competition will consolidate the critical mass of elite South Australian talent. It will ensure these cricketers play each other in a regular competition played on first class facilities managed by SACA.

“Just as importantly, participation in the Premier League will be a prerequisite for selection for the West End Redbacks.

“In short, the Premier League will permanently change the elite cricket pathway in this state.

“The Premier League will also feature one team from the Northern Territory and in time, a sixth team.

“This structure will expand the player pool and consolidate South Australia’s historical but unofficial partnership with cricket in the Northern Territory.”

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Very, very interesting restructure - thoughts...?

They can't afford to mess this up.


Also a restructure of the junior grades which from what I hear will save 1 current club some embarrassment and maybe even begin to please 1 poster around here.....

I have been calling for this for ages!

Great move SACA

whufc wrote:I have been calling for this for ages!

Great move SACA

About friggin time.
Watch some of the grade clubs squeal now!!!

Some of the players who make up the best 44 will try it, some will get bored with it, some will realise they arent a real shot at getting a crack no matter what, some have no desire to play state cricket and so plenty will head back to their club. Comp becomes dilluted and is pointless.

far from the asnwer

Footy Smart wrote:Some of the players who make up the best 44 will try it, some will get bored with it, some will realise they arent a real shot at getting a crack no matter what, some have no desire to play state cricket and so plenty will head back to their club. Comp becomes dilluted and is pointless.

far from the asnwer

Refreshing to see the other side of it but can you explain what you mean by players will get bored of it? Im assuming from previous comments you have a close association with grade cricket? What do the existing clubs want?

bays09 wrote:

Footy Smart wrote:Some of the players who make up the best 44 will try it, some will get bored with it, some will realise they arent a real shot at getting a crack no matter what, some have no desire to play state cricket and so plenty will head back to their club. Comp becomes dilluted and is pointless.

far from the asnwer

Refreshing to see the other side of it but can you explain what you mean by players will get bored of it? Im assuming from previous comments you have a close association with grade cricket? What do the existing clubs want?

Players giving up more Sundays for cricket than they already do. Not very appealing if you are not going to play first class cricket.

Footy Smart wrote:Some of the players who make up the best 44 will try it, some will get bored with it, some will realise they arent a real shot at getting a crack no matter what, some have no desire to play state cricket and so plenty will head back to their club. Comp becomes dilluted and is pointless.

far from the asnwer

This I agree with. Will become and under 23s comp in 3-5 years.
With the Southern Force(sturt,glenelg,sth dist), guys like Cece,thompson,plant,barrett etc, who are the better players in their sides, have no chance at state cricket, why would they bother playing this, especially if turf clubs throw some money at them. In my opinion, turf cricket will be the big winner.

District cricket is currently a joke, we have b grade district cricketers who have come out to our club and can't make the a grade and struggling to hit runs in the b's.

There is way to many clubs and to many average cricketers getting first grade games. Having played both district and pdca cricket the best players in grade cricket are quality unfortunately the drop off is pretty quick.

We have a ridiculous amount of grade clubs for our population and talent pool. No one wants to see grade clubs forced to merge or shutdown. So I think a premier league style comp is a pretty good compromise.

Personally I would prefer grade cricket split into div 1/div2. Teams divided by the end of the minor round ladder of the 2013/14 season. With all possible state players to be playing div 1. Using a two up two down relegation system.

bays09 wrote:

Footy Smart wrote:Some of the players who make up the best 44 will try it, some will get bored with it, some will realise they arent a real shot at getting a crack no matter what, some have no desire to play state cricket and so plenty will head back to their club. Comp becomes dilluted and is pointless.

far from the asnwer

Refreshing to see the other side of it but can you explain what you mean by players will get bored of it? Im assuming from previous comments you have a close association with grade cricket? What do the existing clubs want?

Im not saying grade cricket is the answer either Bays, as it stands there is plenty wrong with it. But this isnt the answer.

can imports play in this comp ie 3/4 of prospect A grade? Usman Qadir etc?

Also, getting rid of the 16 whites and not the 14 whites? laughable - should be the other way around, the majority of development is between 14-17 not 12-14

Footy Smart wrote:

bays09 wrote:

Footy Smart wrote:Some of the players who make up the best 44 will try it, some will get bored with it, some will realise they arent a real shot at getting a crack no matter what, some have no desire to play state cricket and so plenty will head back to their club. Comp becomes dilluted and is pointless.

far from the asnwer

Refreshing to see the other side of it but can you explain what you mean by players will get bored of it? Im assuming from previous comments you have a close association with grade cricket? What do the existing clubs want?

Im not saying grade cricket is the answer either Bays, as it stands there is plenty wrong with it. But this isnt the answer.

can imports play in this comp ie 3/4 of prospect A grade? Usman Qadir etc?

Also, getting rid of the 16 whites and not the 14 whites? laughable - should be the other way around, the majority of development is between 14-17 not 12-14

Talented 16 red players pushed up into seniors to fill the void by the premier league players. Leaves the 16's to push up those left over into their team...

heater31 wrote:

Footy Smart wrote:

bays09 wrote:

Footy Smart wrote:Some of the players who make up the best 44 will try it, some will get bored with it, some will realise they arent a real shot at getting a crack no matter what, some have no desire to play state cricket and so plenty will head back to their club. Comp becomes dilluted and is pointless.

far from the asnwer

Refreshing to see the other side of it but can you explain what you mean by players will get bored of it? Im assuming from previous comments you have a close association with grade cricket? What do the existing clubs want?

Im not saying grade cricket is the answer either Bays, as it stands there is plenty wrong with it. But this isnt the answer.

can imports play in this comp ie 3/4 of prospect A grade? Usman Qadir etc?

Also, getting rid of the 16 whites and not the 14 whites? laughable - should be the other way around, the majority of development is between 14-17 not 12-14

Talented 16 red players pushed up into seniors to fill the void by the premier league players. Leaves the 16's to push up those left over into their team...

So these kids are expected to pay to train hoping a spot comes available?

Footy Smart wrote:

heater31 wrote:

Footy Smart wrote:

bays09 wrote:[quote="Footy Smart"]Some of the players who make up the best 44 will try it, some will get bored with it, some will realise they arent a real shot at getting a crack no matter what, some have no desire to play state cricket and so plenty will head back to their club. Comp becomes dilluted and is pointless.

far from the asnwer

Refreshing to see the other side of it but can you explain what you mean by players will get bored of it? Im assuming from previous comments you have a close association with grade cricket? What do the existing clubs want?

Im not saying grade cricket is the answer either Bays, as it stands there is plenty wrong with it. But this isnt the answer.

can imports play in this comp ie 3/4 of prospect A grade? Usman Qadir etc?

Also, getting rid of the 16 whites and not the 14 whites? laughable - should be the other way around, the majority of development is between 14-17 not 12-14

Talented 16 red players pushed up into seniors to fill the void by the premier league players. Leaves the 16's to push up those left over into their team...

So these kids are expected to pay to train hoping a spot comes available?[/quote]

Would be up to each club committee to decide what happens there.

I know from my club we have forced to use 16 red players to fill our seniors on 1 occasion already this season plus some that are in our sides on a full time basis.

Would be up to each club committee to decide what happens there.

I know from my club we have forced to use 16 red players to fill our seniors on 1 occasion already this season plus some that are in our sides on a full time basis

yep not having a go mate, just issues that SACA clearly havent thought of plus the many more regarding this set up.

We have only 1 Jnr playing Seniors on a perm/semi perm basis and have senior quad members who miss out on a game

so the situation is different for each club.

Sounds too much like the tried (and failed) method that was used at the beginning of the season for two years about a decade ago.
Players, in the main, will not get behind this and will treat it just as trial matches or, at worst, as training. Without an incentive such as a premiership to aim for, players do not perform at their best. Also, the 'club' element which has you striving to give your best for a cause (your mates) is missing and will lead to this becoming a futile competition.
Also, how is it going to be 'launched' in 2012/13 when the season is already half over?? Unless by launched they just mean 'discussed'?

Cheers

bulldogproud2 wrote:Sounds too much like the tried (and failed) method that was used at the beginning of the season for two years about a decade ago.
Players, in the main, will not get behind this and will treat it just as trial matches or, at worst, as training. Without an incentive such as a premiership to aim for, players do not perform at their best. Also, the 'club' element which has you striving to give your best for a cause (your mates) is missing and will lead to this becoming a futile competition.
Also, how is it going to be 'launched' in 2012/13 when the season is already half over?? Unless by launched they just mean 'discussed'?

Cheers

Agree that's why a two division set up would be better like the English county system.

whufc wrote:

bulldogproud2 wrote:Sounds too much like the tried (and failed) method that was used at the beginning of the season for two years about a decade ago.
Players, in the main, will not get behind this and will treat it just as trial matches or, at worst, as training. Without an incentive such as a premiership to aim for, players do not perform at their best. Also, the 'club' element which has you striving to give your best for a cause (your mates) is missing and will lead to this becoming a futile competition.
Also, how is it going to be 'launched' in 2012/13 when the season is already half over?? Unless by launched they just mean 'discussed'?

Cheers

Agree that's why a two division set up would be better like the English county system.

cant really compare the english country system to SA Grade cricket though. Still not the answer

i know i keep saying its not the answer without giving one, but no point making a change for the sake of it and ending up worse off than before. Which is a possability as not all clubs are not doing the right thing and not adding to cricket in this state

Footy Smart wrote:

whufc wrote:

bulldogproud2 wrote:Sounds too much like the tried (and failed) method that was used at the beginning of the season for two years about a decade ago.
Players, in the main, will not get behind this and will treat it just as trial matches or, at worst, as training. Without an incentive such as a premiership to aim for, players do not perform at their best. Also, the 'club' element which has you striving to give your best for a cause (your mates) is missing and will lead to this becoming a futile competition.
Also, how is it going to be 'launched' in 2012/13 when the season is already half over?? Unless by launched they just mean 'discussed'?

Cheers

Agree that's why a two division set up would be better like the English county system.

cant really compare the english country system to SA Grade cricket though. Still not the answer

i know i keep saying its not the answer without giving one, but no point making a change for the sake of it and ending up worse off than before. Which is a possability as not all clubs are not doing the right thing and not adding to cricket in this state

It may not be the 'answer' but combined with a whole heap of other changes I believe it can help the state team and standard of district cricket improve.

Did think of that whufc, but then how do you judge a player in the second div for Shield selection, and would these players gravitate to the stronger clubs over time.

I know there is a lot of emotion involved, so this idea mightn't be popular, but looking with no team attachment, why not base SANFL clubs and grade clubs around each other?
Don't necessarily have to share the names, but perhaps facilities, medical and gym facilities and personnel, social facilities etc. Sturt, Glenelg, Port, Southern Distrcits, Northern Districts are obvious, Kensington and Prospect merge, TTG and East Torrens merge and align themselves with Norwood, W-WT merge, and Adelaide and Uni merge to form the tenth team.
Cuts teams, perhaps increases grade crickets profile in the general community.

FlyingHigh wrote:Did think of that whufc, but then how do you judge a player in the second div for Shield selection, and would these players gravitate to the stronger clubs over time.

I know there is a lot of emotion involved, so this idea mightn't be popular, but looking with no team attachment, why not base SANFL clubs and grade clubs around each other?
Don't necessarily have to share the names, but perhaps facilities, medical and gym facilities and personnel, social facilities etc. Sturt, Glenelg, Port, Southern Distrcits, Northern Districts are obvious, Kensington and Prospect merge, TTG and East Torrens merge and align themselves with Norwood, W-WT merge, and Adelaide and Uni merge to form the tenth team.
Cuts teams, perhaps increases grade crickets profile in the general community.

changing the make up of the teams doesnt change much

Grade Cricket while supposedly the elite competition outside of state cricket is still very much amateur in the most important aspect. Yes the majority of clubs are run well, well resourced and have good coaching, but the players themselves (the most important person) are not reimbursed for their commitment and have a minimal chance of playing at the higher level. The majority do extra work on their game outside of regular training times and give up countless weekends for the love of the game, the club they play for and their mates

also Rapid and sweeping changes aren’t going to get anything but resistance (which is normal no matter the situation or environment change occurs in)