Southern Football League

[lion heart]

Lion Heart is it true that you have picked up a guy who plays in your A grade that couldnt make Coves B grade side.

Yes weve signed two Cove lads out of u18's last year. We're happy to have them on board and give them the opportunity to improve themselves as A grade footballers and hopefully increase our depth. Cove are such a powerful club these days im sure there are plenty of guys there that could get a crack at A grade footy at other clubs. Look at Troy White from Noarlunga played a fair bit of reserves footy at Cove and is now playing well in the Shoes seniors.

[Look Good In Leather]

Why not have the clubs with all juniors in 1 div, and those without in another? Shoe boy would agree with me...

Blackwood rumour has been around for years....

And does the SFL really want Kangys back? There wont be a small pond for them to dominate, so I doubt they want a piece of it...

Sounds good, that would make the following:

Div 1 (A, B, U/18, U/16, U/14)
Brighton Bombers
Reynella
Morphett Vale
Christies Beach
Blackwood or Edwardstown (with Juniors else relegated)
Noarlunga
Cove
Port Noarlunga
Happy Valley
Flagstaff Hill

Div 2 (A, B, U/17, U/15)
Morphettville Park
Marion
Aldinga
O'Sullivan Beach/Lonsdale
Hackham
Glenunga
Kangarilla
Edwardstown (without Juniors)
any other new comers

Promotion only granted with the full set of 3 junior teams + senior performance
No. junior sides reduced in Div 2 to allow struggling clubs to build base
Gaps in Div 2 comp to be filled by Div 1 teams additional teams

May be the option that a performing club in Div 2 could be allowed promotion without full set of junior teams if they use another club to fill those spots with 2nd sides.


Looks a pretty good comp - with room to allow additional teams to enter + establish their junior setup

[Mr Magoo]

Lion Heart is it true that you have picked up a guy who plays in your A grade that couldnt make Coves B grade side.

Happens heaps of time at all levels and good on the kids for having the balls to go to another club, and back their ability

[lion heart]

Lion Heart is it true that you have picked up a guy who plays in your A grade that couldnt make Coves B grade side.

Happens heaps of time at all levels and good on the kids for having the balls to go to another club, and back their ability

My thoughts exactly Magoo ......

[spanner]

Promotion only granted with the full set of 3 junior teams + senior performance
No. junior sides reduced in Div 2 to allow struggling clubs to build base
Gaps in Div 2 comp to be filled by Div 1 teams additional teams

May be the option that a performing club in Div 2 could be allowed promotion without full set of junior teams if they use another club to fill those spots with 2nd sides.


Looks a pretty good comp - with room to allow additional teams to enter + establish their junior setup

Not a bad option i lke it.
Would like to hear what DTH thinks

[vics01]

LGIN LEATHER

Promotion only granted with the full set of 3 junior teams + senior performance
No. junior sides reduced in Div 2 to allow struggling clubs to build base
Gaps in Div 2 comp to be filled by Div 1 teams additional teams

May be the option that a performing club in Div 2 could be allowed promotion without full set of junior teams if they use another club to fill those spots with 2nd sides.


Looks a pretty good comp - with room to allow additional teams to enter + establish their junior setup

Some good suggestions, but why would you play 14/16/18 in division 1 and 15/17 in division 2 ??

that would mean that a club coming into Div 1 from Div 2 would have to restructure it's entire junior program, and how would they fit with mini's which look like going to 8/10/12 from next year.

By the way your assertion that the Sunday Juniors is a kick and catch comp. is a slap in the face to to kids that go and have a go each week.

[Goodluck]

This weeks games look very interesting.

Brighton V Noarlunga I am sure the Shoes will respond with a much better effort for 4 quaters against the top of the table Bommers.

Should be a cracker of a game with 2 sides contesting for a top 4 spot.........s***t sorry I thought the Bombers were playing Morphett Vale......Bombers by PLENTY over the Poo's......

You have got no idea Hotdogs, you must be the real hotdogs the way you post. and geeees your so funny. who do you play for??????????????????

[Down the Hill]

Spanner and Co. below is an earlier post by me that got swamped amongst other topics of the day. The recent suggestion just takes us back to where we were pre-2002 and after the few years see us thinking about going back to one div again.

Some of you guys are still missing the point with 2 divs. We've just applauded Flaggy for their work with their juniors but by putting them in Div 2 based on Senior form of recent, they will just all nick off to Happy Valley in the stronger comp. As I've said many times before, this just widens the gap between the 2 divs. It would become more like Div 1 and Div 4 with nothing in between. The above mentioned Div 2 would only see 5 or at best 6 sides in each junior age group which is mickey mouse. You can't integrate juniors as one div because programming of 5 matches per game day would be impossible. It just aint gonna work.

2 Conferences of 8 if done correctly can mean you can still play every one once from both conferences and then play 3 teams from your own conference twice. This can be done from who makes the bottom 4 or top 4 of your conference each year. eg. If Brighton, Cove, Flaggies and Morphy Park make the top 4 of North Conf. they then play each other twice the next season, likewise bottom 4 of North, top 4 south, bottom 4 south. This way regional rivalries are maintained without truly splitting the league in 2. This will mean that the Premiership Tables may not be symmetrical but they aren't in the US sports either. The question will be do we have a straight top 4 for each conf. or have Top 3 guaranteed and Wild Cards for the next 2 best win/loss/percent records across both zones. This would likely be 4th in both conf. but not always.

This still all means juniors can be a problem when playing clubs that don't have a full set but we all know what the alternative is for those clubs who will continue to struggle fielding junior teams.

[spanner]

Spanner and Co. below is an earlier post by me that got swamped amongst other topics of the day. The recent suggestion just takes us back to where we were pre-2002 and after the few years see us thinking about going back to one div again.


Conferences
but they aren't in the US sports either.
Wild Cards .

I did read that and as usuall cant really argue with you on it
Can you tell me if any other aussie football league in Aus that has that type of structure i have only ever seen DIv 1 Div 2 ect in my travels

[Down the Hill]

Sorry to use Yankee terms but at least everyone understands them

Our league is already unique with having 5 matches played on a Saturday spread across 3 junior age groups and 2 senior. Outside AFL how many other leagues have 15 teams competing in one equal division. How many leagues also have over 1,000 primary school age kids running around on a Sunday morning in addition to still running a full senior and colts comps on Saturday and Sunday. We are a product of the growth area our clubs exist in (arguably with 2 or 3 too many clubs).

It comes down to 3 options really in my opinion. Stay as we are, be radical and go the 2 zones and see if this creates a novelty that may attract players to the weaker clubs, or SFL take the tough stance and say "no juniors, no affiliation", and stay as one division with less clubs.

[MatteeG]

This weeks games look very interesting.

Brighton V Noarlunga I am sure the Shoes will respond with a much better effort for 4 quaters against the top of the table Bommers.

Should be a cracker of a game with 2 sides contesting for a top 4 spot.........s***t sorry I thought the Bombers were playing Morphett Vale......Bombers by PLENTY over the Poo's......

You have got no idea Hotdogs, you must be the real hotdogs the way you post. and geeees your so funny. who do you play for??????????????????

Relax Goodluck, Hotdogs is a Bomber poster from wayyy back. I think he has more lines than THE Hotdogs.

[Bag The Points]

Brighton to beat Noarlunga ---- 100 points plus
Cove to beat Towns ---- 35 points
Parks to beat Flaggies ---- game of the day ---- 7 points
Lions to smash Hawks ----- 120 points
Port to beat Rams ---- 4 goals (good battle for most of day but Port too strong in the end)
Valley too hot for Saints ---- disappointing Saints won't get near this side either ---- 73 points
Morphett v. Aldinga ------ Emus by 100 points plus

[MatteeG]

Like your idea DTH, this is my play on it: Based on 16 teams.

2 conferences of 8, play each other home and away (14 games) and play 4 teams from the other conference (4 games).

Top 4 in each conference qualify for finals (Whilst wild card is a good idea in theory, if the 2 wild card teams come from the same conference who goes and plays finals against the 'other' conference?)

From the finals you have 2 conference champs, who can then play for the title of SFL champs.

The following year you would then play against the other 4 teams in the rival conference you didnt play against the previous season, yet still have your home and away fixtures against your own conference.

The main downside is you would only get to play against some clubs once every 2 years, it would be a shame if we couldnt (using Flaggies as an example being in a 'northern' conference) play at Dingys or Porties, or have an all-in in the B grade against the Shoes more than once every 2 years.

Maybe there could be a draw each season for conferences? eg like the barrier draw for the melbourne Cup, each Club Pres grabs a 'lucky' marble!!

Anyways, all pie in the sky stuff at the moment....

[Esteban Vihaio]

Why not have the clubs with all juniors in 1 div, and those without in another? Shoe boy would agree with me...

Blackwood rumour has been around for years....

And does the SFL really want Kangys back? There wont be a small pond for them to dominate, so I doubt they want a piece of it...

Sounds good, that would make the following:

Div 1 (A, B, U/18, U/16, U/14)
Brighton Bombers
Reynella
Morphett Vale
Christies Beach
Blackwood or Edwardstown (with Juniors else relegated)
Noarlunga
Cove
Port Noarlunga
Happy Valley
Flagstaff Hill

Div 2 (A, B, U/17, U/15)
Morphettville Park
Marion
Aldinga
O'Sullivan Beach/Lonsdale
Hackham
Glenunga
Kangarilla
Edwardstown (without Juniors)
any other new comers

Promotion only granted with the full set of 3 junior teams + senior performance
No. junior sides reduced in Div 2 to allow struggling clubs to build base
Gaps in Div 2 comp to be filled by Div 1 teams additional teams

May be the option that a performing club in Div 2 could be allowed promotion without full set of junior teams if they use another club to fill those spots with 2nd sides.


Looks a pretty good comp - with room to allow additional teams to enter + establish their junior setup

Would never happen, period.

[Esteban Vihaio]

Brighton to beat Noarlunga ---- 100 points plus
Cove to beat Towns ---- 35 points
Parks to beat Flaggies ---- game of the day ---- 7 points
Lions to smash Hawks ----- 120 points
Port to beat Rams ---- 4 goals (good battle for most of day but Port too strong in the end)
Valley too hot for Saints ---- disappointing Saints won't get near this side either ---- 73 points
Morphett v. Aldinga ------ Emus by 100 points plus

Vale v Aldinga 105 points
Cove v towns 31 points
Brighton v shoes 87 points
Twisties v Bushies 45 points
Lions v Hawks 78 points
Porties v Excelby 36 points
Valley v Saints 42 points

All teams this week to win by at least 5 goals

[Mr Magoo]

Brighton to beat Noarlunga ---- 100 points plus
Cove to beat Towns ---- 35 points
Parks to beat Flaggies ---- game of the day ---- 7 points
Lions to smash Hawks ----- 120 points
Port to beat Rams ---- 4 goals (good battle for most of day but Port too strong in the end)
Valley too hot for Saints ---- disappointing Saints won't get near this side either ---- 73 points
Morphett v. Aldinga ------ Emus by 100 points plus

These tips, from a bloke who knows a bit, with 4 of the 7 games over 12 goal thrashings would make all the discussions today and yesterday, for change relevant.
The current SFL is in need of a radical shake up, however it is going to be oh so hard.

Get the Seniors fixed first, as that is the showpiece of the Association.

Separate junior compettition for a couple of years, if necessary and put aside individual club wants and wishes for the betterment of the whole association. Some very strong leadership and committment required, or it Will just continue to drift along and get worse.

[Swooper16]

Brighton to beat Noarlunga ---- 100 points plus
Cove to beat Towns ---- 35 points
Parks to beat Flaggies ---- game of the day ---- 7 points
Lions to smash Hawks ----- 120 points
Port to beat Rams ---- 4 goals (good battle for most of day but Port too strong in the end)
Valley too hot for Saints ---- disappointing Saints won't get near this side either ---- 73 points
Morphett v. Aldinga ------ Emus by 100 points plus

These tips, from a bloke who knows a bit, with 4 of the 7 games over 12 goal thrashings would make all the discussions today and yesterday, for change relevant.
The current SFL is in need of a radical shake up, however it is going to be oh so hard.

Get the Seniors fixed first, as that is the showpiece of the Association.

Separate junior compettition for a couple of years, if necessary and put aside individual club wants and wishes for the betterment of the whole association. Some very strong leadership and committment required, or it Will just continue to drift along and get worse.

Spot on Magoo. For all the talk of the Christies, Hackham, Aldinga etc improving - the scorelines against the top sides would suggest its very similiar to previous years (BTP could probably either back this quote up or shoot it down).

Obviosuly there is no overnight fix but its been the same teams (exception of E'Town) that have been challenging for the past 5 years. This year looks more of the same....

[reppoh_eht]

Obviosuly there is no overnight fix but its been the same teams (exception of E'Town) that have been challenging for the past 5 years. This year looks more of the same....

Your point being? In the AFL has it changed around that much? Not really i say, same 4-6 teams have been up for the last 4 or so years, with the exception of Hawthorn jumping into that group (Who will now stay at the top or around that mark for a few seasons yet).

All competitions are yo-yo's, teams will be good for periods and bad for periods. And unless clubs go out and buy a team, then these periods are normally quite a stretch, say 3-5 years. Whos to say that Brighton, M.Vale wont be bottom of the ladder again in a few seasons time? (highly doubt it, but things change, people leave clubs and other clubs improve)

Not having a crack at you swooper, i just think the whole argument of it being the same teams isn't quite fair. I agree that the margins of victories are a worry, but over a length of 10-15 years im sure results have changed (i.e Morphett Vale were not always the powerhouse they are now).

[asert]

thats right repoh emus were one of the bottom sides late 90s but there junior group stayed together and were successful. i think the sides with 2nd juniors will leave everyone for dead in the near future

[asert]

looks good in leather your comment about junior teams is very ignorant. i also notice your team fields niether side on a sunday. maybe your mind would change if your lad missed out on a game cos your club has 15 players missing out each week. it is a great concept the kids will only get better skills from a full game rather than rotations and bench time cos they arent in the top so many of the team. this would mean c grade is in your eyes a waste of time. i would think getting more people involved the better