Southern Football League

[petoe]

Wondering if anyone has some clarification on an exert I have from the Player points system? Because in the rules it does not explain or break down the meaning of the word "majority" for some cases.

C. Major League Players
A player who has played a majority of matches for the Senior Team of a Club
or Clubs in a Category One League or Category 2 League in their previous
playing season - an additional three (3) points should be added in the case of
a Category One League and an additional two (2) points should be added in
the case of a Category Two League.

My examples are: If a player in season 2010 plays the first 2 games of the season in the A grade then does a shoulder/ankle etc. and misses the rest of the year, leaving them with a Total of 2 A grade games for 2010, is this a "majority" of matches and requires a 3 point allocation?
or are they a zero point player? because they didnt play the "majority" of the season (2 out of 18 games)?

[Zelezny Chucks]

I find it strange that the league acknowledge that player retention is Morphie Parks problem but the solution is to allow them to go out and hire "mercenaries" who will for all intents and purposes end up leaving as well.

I know I have not seen one club outside the involved clubs that has supported this so how can the league delegates, who are meant to be our representatives, make this decision?

[asert]

I don't want to see clubs fold but if everyone thought player payments in the sfl had gone thru the roof wait till now. I know at flaggies last year we spoke to a lot and I mean a lot of players only to be out bid by other clubs who were willing to pay a he'll of a lot more than what the player was worth and realistically how much we wanted to spend. Recruiting for anyone not in the top 5 is going to be nearly impossible. At flaggies we have a pretty impressive incentive system but all these recruits want money in the hand gauranteed rather than having to earn it. Things are only going to get worse now.

[petoe]

Reading the email on points posted on here.
Hackham is a given and understandable. No mention of players out for them on the email. Havent they lost 4 or 5 of there better players now also??? Havent heard of any ins yet either??

Aldinga on their record over the past 7 or 8 years also probably deserve a few extra points to try and compete better.But no more than 6 or 7 extra.

Talk is Marion have lost a lot of players, and mostly A graders, but this has happened a fair bit over the last 5 years. The problem seems this year is they are not being able to replace them as in previous years because the new coach refuses to just over pay cash hungry over rated players. I havent heard of one recruit yet??? So give them 50 extra points, not sure where its going to get them. Thin on B grade depth and thin on juniors, not sure what the future holds?

The most dissapointing info on the email is that Morphy parks say they need extra points!!! what a joke. For starters they are the only ones on the email that dont state how many of the outs they have are actual regular A graders? it just lists players in total, so these could be 1 game B graders that come and go, and now they want extra points to replace any senior player with A grade players from other clubs that carry 3 points! They made finals in 2009, pay big money and should be forced to work within the points as every other club gets!

Big can of worms with it all anyway and pretty much makes the whole original points system null and void on the whole league.

[Rush a Point]

It is time for all of the clubs to say no to Morphies and Marion via the SFL. If the SFL won't listen to the clubs then perhaps there needs to be a turn over at the SFL.

Where is the reward for the clubs that have worked hard on their juniors and not had the success in their seniors as they would like.

It is time for the SFL to listen to the majority.

[Lunchbox Legend]

It is time for all of the clubs to say no to Morphies and Marion via the SFL. If the SFL won't listen to the clubs then perhaps there needs to be a turn over at the SFL.

Where is the reward for the clubs that have worked hard on their juniors and not had the success in their seniors as they would like.

It is time for the SFL to listen to the majority.

[MatteeG]

The Twisties (cheese and chicken) decisions are the ones that baffle me the most too- Hackham and Aldinga have strong arguments for some leniency- many years at the foot of the ladder, slowly developing a junior culture. But Marion and Morphy Parks are simply suffering by not being able to fully utilise the $$- until now.

Daresay Brighton fringe A graders, and Bays ressies players will be high on the hitlist..... as well as close ammo teams like Plympton, CLG, Kenilworth etc. Lock up your players!

[vics01]

Rush a Point wrote:
It is time for all of the clubs to say no to Morphies and Marion via the SFL. If the SFL won't listen to the clubs then perhaps there needs to be a turn over at the SFL.

Where is the reward for the clubs that have worked hard on their juniors and not had the success in their seniors as they would like.

It is time for the SFL to listen to the majority.

Here Here


Take Flaggies and Porties as a example of middle of the road teams. They work very hard on their junior program and receive no concessions from the SFL. It is these clubs and clubs like them that will really suffer this season if these alleged extra points are granted. Then in following years they will be in need of extra points as they will have been raped and Pillaged by the Marions and Morphies of the league, It will then follow that other at the present so called pwer clubs will suffer and it becomes a case of he who has the most money is the winner rather than he who works to improve his club and football in GENERAL.

I am sure if the So called power clubs got rid of their juniors they would have plenty of cash to splash on imports and eventualy we would all be watching soccer as no development has occured.

GENERAL You need to look at either 2 divisions and or clubs merging or the SFL will fall apart. As I said earlier too many clubs trying to feed out of the 1 little pond.

[BFG]

Rush a Point wrote:
It is time for all of the clubs to say no to Morphies and Marion via the SFL. If the SFL won't listen to the clubs then perhaps there needs to be a turn over at the SFL.

Where is the reward for the clubs that have worked hard on their juniors and not had the success in their seniors as they would like.

It is time for the SFL to listen to the majority.

Here Here


Take Flaggies and Porties as a example of middle of the road teams. They work very hard on their junior program and receive no concessions from the SFL. It is these clubs and clubs like them that will really suffer this season if these alleged extra points are granted. Then in following years they will be in need of extra points as they will have been raped and Pillaged by the Marions and Morphies of the league, It will then follow that other at the present so called pwer clubs will suffer and it becomes a case of he who has the most money is the winner rather than he who works to improve his club and football in GENERAL.

I am sure if the So called power clubs got rid of their juniors they would have plenty of cash to splash on imports and eventualy we would all be watching soccer as no development has occured.

GENERAL You need to look at either 2 divisions and or clubs merging or the SFL will fall apart. As I said earlier too many clubs trying to feed out of the 1 little pond.

in fairness to morphies and marion it must be tough being in such close proximity to a club like brighton whom every junior from the area wants to play for. until kids from the area being to look at playing somewhere else except brighton their junior programmes may never be up to the standard needed to be able to build the club.

this is part of the reason why they need to "hire" blokes from year to year to stay competitive from on year to the next. very tough spot to be in

[Zelezny Chucks]

Rush a Point wrote:
It is time for all of the clubs to say no to Morphies and Marion via the SFL. If the SFL won't listen to the clubs then perhaps there needs to be a turn over at the SFL.

Where is the reward for the clubs that have worked hard on their juniors and not had the success in their seniors as they would like.

It is time for the SFL to listen to the majority.

Here Here


Take Flaggies and Porties as a example of middle of the road teams. They work very hard on their junior program and receive no concessions from the SFL. It is these clubs and clubs like them that will really suffer this season if these alleged extra points are granted. Then in following years they will be in need of extra points as they will have been raped and Pillaged by the Marions and Morphies of the league, It will then follow that other at the present so called pwer clubs will suffer and it becomes a case of he who has the most money is the winner rather than he who works to improve his club and football in GENERAL.

I am sure if the So called power clubs got rid of their juniors they would have plenty of cash to splash on imports and eventualy we would all be watching soccer as no development has occured.

GENERAL You need to look at either 2 divisions and or clubs merging or the SFL will fall apart. As I said earlier too many clubs trying to feed out of the 1 little pond.

in fairness to morphies and marion it must be tough being in such close proximity to a club like brighton whom every junior from the area wants to play for. until kids from the area being to look at playing somewhere else except brighton their junior programmes may never be up to the standard needed to be able to build the club.

this is part of the reason why they need to "hire" blokes from year to year to stay competitive from on year to the next. very tough spot to be in

What a cop out. Marion played in a GF early 2000's so why would they have not had an abundance of juniors wanting to play for the club then?

Noarlunga has proven buying players doesn't guarantee premierships, 4 GFs for 1 flag, and to their credit they have changed the way the club looks at recruiting (to an extent) unless these players are signing 3 or 4 year contracts with Marion or Morphie Parks what is to say giving them more recruiting power won't end with them not being able to retain these players again!

[bandar]

This all makes for interesting reading as any change in points doesn't just affect SFL but all leagues around them with the idea of the system to be pretty much uniform across the state. One thing I have noticed in the thread as well is talk of there being no salary cap. At an information meeting for the SAAFL late last year Glen Rosser said the APPS was as well as the salary cap not instead of it, not certain if that is different for different leagues.

Also in answer to Petoe's question earlier on the way I was told if a player plays three games for the year 2 in a's 1 in B's he is considerd an A grader and attracts points so yes majority of games that year.

[BFG]

not condoning recruiting for the short term as i believe its the path to long term failure.

BUT as a person who went to brighton high i know that the vast majority of people that played football all wanted to play for brighton. i dont know if marion had stacks of juniors after their grand final year but their lack of juniors coming through means that to be competitive and improve from year to year would mean they ahve to investigate other directions. obviously some clubs have chosen to recruit players from year to year, weather its the right thing to do or not is a matter of endless debate.

all im saying is that with such a big club that the majority of 12-18 year olds want to play for just down the road, recruiting a solid junior base may be difficult.

[reppoh_eht]

not condoning recruiting for the short term as i believe its the path to long term failure.

BUT as a person who went to brighton high i know that the vast majority of people that played football all wanted to play for brighton. i dont know if marion had stacks of juniors after their grand final year but their lack of juniors coming through means that to be competitive and improve from year to year would mean they ahve to investigate other directions. obviously some clubs have chosen to recruit players from year to year, weather its the right thing to do or not is a matter of endless debate.

all im saying is that with such a big club that the majority of 12-18 year olds want to play for just down the road, recruiting a solid junior base may be difficult.

Disagree with these type of comments big time. We all know it is not free to put your child through a full season of football. Hows about Marion and M.V Park give Juniors free/extremely cheap subs instead of spending the money on recruiting Seniors.

Not only will they build a strong junior base but it will attract people to the club.

[watchdog]

Heard that a former winefly coach may have secured the services of a very handy premiership player for this season

Hasn't happened.

P32 I'm not sure you know of who I am talking about. Stay tuned will be big news if he relocates.

[Zelezny Chucks]

I understand what you are saying BFG but if Marion had as good a junior program as Brighton had set up then it would have been unlikely that they would find themselves in this situation.

The issue isn't with their A Grade it is with their Juniors if they can't get decent junior program up and running then they will be constantly requiring extra points. Where do you draw the line? What's to stop clubs moving on recruits that aren't up to the standard they thought they were and then going to the league crying poor?

Can of worms.

[BFG]

not condoning recruiting for the short term as i believe its the path to long term failure.

BUT as a person who went to brighton high i know that the vast majority of people that played football all wanted to play for brighton. i dont know if marion had stacks of juniors after their grand final year but their lack of juniors coming through means that to be competitive and improve from year to year would mean they ahve to investigate other directions. obviously some clubs have chosen to recruit players from year to year, weather its the right thing to do or not is a matter of endless debate.

all im saying is that with such a big club that the majority of 12-18 year olds want to play for just down the road, recruiting a solid junior base may be difficult.

Disagree with these type of comments big time. We all know it is not free to put your child through a full season of football. Hows about Marion and M.V Park give Juniors free/extremely cheap subs instead of spending the money on recruiting Seniors.

Not only will they build a strong junior base but it will attract people to the club.

not a bad idea at all. as a parent though would you be happy to take your son away from playing where most of his mates are for the sake of saving 60 bucks?

like i said im not conding, just looking at maybe why these clubs struggle to recruit juniors

[BFG]

I understand what you are saying BFG but if Marion had as good a junior program as Brighton had set up then it would have been unlikely that they would find themselves in this situation.

The issue isn't with their A Grade it is with their Juniors if they can't get decent junior program up and running then they will be constantly requiring extra points. Where do you draw the line? What's to stop clubs moving on recruits that aren't up to the standard they thought they were and then going to the league crying poor?

Can of worms.

yeah fair enough to, i suppose it would be a slippery slope if you let it happen one year does it therefore happen each year after that?

[Look Good In Leather]

That will open up a can of worms if it goes through, something needs to be done with Aldinga and Hackham, seeing as 2 divs seems to be out of the equation, however if the likes of the Rams and Roos who have been finalists over the last few years are granted these approvals then you might as well throw the points system out the window. Will be interesting to hear the outcome.

I am certain that Morphy Parks have been approved to receive additional points. Not sure how many though.

Don't be surprised if MP surge back up the ladder this year with extra points on board, along with big Seb and some of his mates who were elswehere last year[/quote]

I can't see that being the case, Morphettville Park have played finals 2 of the last 3 years - if this happens we might as well scrap the points system

[vics01]

CAN OF WORMS

reppoh_eht
Disagree with these type of comments big time. We all know it is not free to put your child through a full season of football. Hows about Marion and M.V Park give Juniors free/extremely cheap subs instead of spending the money on recruiting Seniors.

Not only will they build a strong junior base but it will attract people to the club.

A couple of SFL clubs are currently offering no fees to junior players in order to get players to their club. Attractive on face value for the parent but you have to have the structure in place to build on the kids you get.

Have heard from kids a very nasty rumour that 1 particular club is offering selected (so called gun) under age kids no subs and will supply boots shorts socks etc. If true it would appear that they are going to run their juniors like their seniors.

[Look Good In Leather]

CAN OF WORMS

reppoh_eht
Disagree with these type of comments big time. We all know it is not free to put your child through a full season of football. Hows about Marion and M.V Park give Juniors free/extremely cheap subs instead of spending the money on recruiting Seniors.

Not only will they build a strong junior base but it will attract people to the club.

A couple of SFL clubs are currently offering no fees to junior players in order to get players to their club. Attractive on face value for the parent but you have to have the structure in place to build on the kids you get.

Have heard from kids a very nasty rumour that 1 particular club is offering selected (so called gun) under age kids no subs and will supply boots shorts socks etc. If true it would appear that they are going to run their juniors like their seniors.

...and guess what, this is the future - those players are 0 point players - don't expect League clubs to have much of an U/18 comp in years to come because these kids are ripe for the picking (might as well go after the ones capable of playing A-Grade football, shouldn't cost too much either).