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Re: Southern Football League

Postby RFC 2010 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:15 pm

vics01 wrote:CAN OF WORMS



reppoh_eht
Disagree with these type of comments big time. We all know it is not free to put your child through a full season of football. Hows about Marion and M.V Park give Juniors free/extremely cheap subs instead of spending the money on recruiting Seniors.

Not only will they build a strong junior base but it will attract people to the club.


A couple of SFL clubs are currently offering no fees to junior players in order to get players to their club. Attractive on face value for the parent but you have to have the structure in place to build on the kids you get.

Have heard from kids a very nasty rumour that 1 particular club is offering selected (so called gun) under age kids no subs and will supply boots shorts socks etc. If true it would appear that they are going to run their juniors like their seniors.


$hoes?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby RFC 2010 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:17 pm

watchdog wrote:
Panther32 wrote:
watchdog wrote:Heard that a former winefly coach may have secured the services of a very handy premiership player for this season

Hasn't happened. :D


P32 I'm not sure you know of who I am talking about. Stay tuned will be big news if he relocates.


I think P32 was trying to dispel the rumours that he was the A grade premiership winning, Norm Smith medal wearing player in question
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby vics01 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:24 pm

RFC2010
$hoes?


Not even close.

Shoes are also working hard at mini level up hard
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Lay_down_misere » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:25 pm

Drove past Seaview High last night and saw some team training there. There was about 60 to 70 players... Looked very professional with everyone in red and white tops.... Any ideas what team????
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Tubby » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:25 pm

For the no junior fee idea, wasn't there a club ( OSB ?? ) who tried that last year ????

If so did the idea help ????
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Tubby » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:27 pm

Lay_down_misere wrote:Drove past Seaview High last night and saw some team training there. There was about 60 to 70 players... Looked very professional with everyone in red and white tops.... Any ideas what team????


We use the oval for our lower grade cricket sides and was told that Glenelg were using the oval, not sure now if they were wearing red & white tops.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Splinter » Fri Jan 28, 2011 2:58 pm

Lay_down_misere wrote:Drove past Seaview High last night and saw some team training there. There was about 60 to 70 players... Looked very professional with everyone in red and white tops.... Any ideas what team????


Not Marion or MV Park :D
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Panther32 » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:04 pm

watchdog wrote:
Panther32 wrote:
watchdog wrote:Heard that a former winefly coach may have secured the services of a very handy premiership player for this season

Hasn't happened. :D


P32 I'm not sure you know of who I am talking about. Stay tuned will be big news if he relocates.

I've got a pretty good idea as I have spoken to one player who was in discussions with a former coach and although was very tempted told the boys on wednesday that he is staying put. May be a different bloke but I heard this by both the coach in question and the player.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby asert » Fri Jan 28, 2011 6:19 pm

Flaggies at seaview
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby pantherman » Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:15 pm

Everybody seems to have an opinion on the points system but does anybody actually have a better idea??? Is there actually any other suggestions or should we just continue p.......ing into a fan. Maybe its about time all clubs got together and discussed what is best for the competion, rather than what is best for their own backyard. How about this league and all is clubs look at competion as a whole and put individual agenda's aside???? Maybe then a future might develop for not only this league but maybe a few of those so called "hard done by clubs" that currently have there hands out may find a future built on hard work. Sure everyone wants to win a premiership but how about we sort out a system that is best for the future of this great league and look forward rather than trying to minipulate any system presented to best suit each clubs current situation.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Roo Ted » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:56 pm

MatteeG wrote:The Twisties (cheese and chicken) decisions are the ones that baffle me the most too- Hackham and Aldinga have strong arguments for some leniency- many years at the foot of the ladder, slowly developing a junior culture. But Marion and Morphy Parks are simply suffering by not being able to fully utilise the $$- until now.

Daresay Brighton fringe A graders, and Bays ressies players will be high on the hitlist..... as well as close ammo teams like Plympton, CLG, Kenilworth etc. Lock up your players!



Haven't targeted any of these clubs. We have blokes wanting to come to the club and play for us. If you know how the points system works just about anyone who comes to your club and plays "A" grade attracts 3 point. 5 @ 3 points takes care of your 15. We are not all blessed with DUAL sides in each junior grade level to keep topping us up.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Roo Ted » Fri Jan 28, 2011 9:58 pm

reppoh_eht wrote:
BFG wrote:not condoning recruiting for the short term as i believe its the path to long term failure.

BUT as a person who went to brighton high i know that the vast majority of people that played football all wanted to play for brighton. i dont know if marion had stacks of juniors after their grand final year but their lack of juniors coming through means that to be competitive and improve from year to year would mean they ahve to investigate other directions. obviously some clubs have chosen to recruit players from year to year, weather its the right thing to do or not is a matter of endless debate.

all im saying is that with such a big club that the majority of 12-18 year olds want to play for just down the road, recruiting a solid junior base may be difficult.


Disagree with these type of comments big time. We all know it is not free to put your child through a full season of football. Hows about Marion and M.V Park give Juniors free/extremely cheap subs instead of spending the money on recruiting Seniors.

Not only will they build a strong junior base but it will attract people to the club.



$50 cheap enough for you? Free for our U14s last year.

Why don't you ask the Brighton's etc what their junior fees are ?
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Roo Ted » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:00 pm

vics01 wrote:
Rush a Point wrote:
It is time for all of the clubs to say no to Morphies and Marion via the SFL. If the SFL won't listen to the clubs then perhaps there needs to be a turn over at the SFL.

Where is the reward for the clubs that have worked hard on their juniors and not had the success in their seniors as they would like.

It is time for the SFL to listen to the majority.



Here Here


Take Flaggies and Porties as a example of middle of the road teams. They work very hard on their junior program and receive no concessions from the SFL. It is these clubs and clubs like them that will really suffer this season if these alleged extra points are granted. Then in following years they will be in need of extra points as they will have been raped and Pillaged by the Marions and Morphies of the league, It will then follow that other at the present so called pwer clubs will suffer and it becomes a case of he who has the most money is the winner rather than he who works to improve his club and football in GENERAL.

I am sure if the So called power clubs got rid of their juniors they would have plenty of cash to splash on imports and eventualy we would all be watching soccer as no development has occured.

GENERAL You need to look at either 2 divisions and or clubs merging or the SFL will fall apart. As I said earlier too many clubs trying to feed out of the 1 little pond.


And where are Porties and Flaggies going to continue to finish, middle of the road???

The points system is there for them to request additional point as well. I'd suggerst a lot of people on here don't know the full intricacies of the new points sytem compared to the old.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Roo Ted » Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:04 pm

I think all these people bitching on here are scared of a bit of competition. Afraid of getting knocked off your perches. You probably doný even know what it's like for your club to be oustside the top 6!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Numbers » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:00 pm

Roo Ted wrote:I think all these people bitching on here are scared of a bit of competition. Afraid of getting knocked off your perches. You probably doný even know what it's like for your club to be oustside the top 6!


Not the case at all Roo Ted! Just like playing from an even playing field. Football is not a F@#Ken game that should be handicapped. Next you will be asking that the score starts at 20.0 to 0.0.

You talk about some of these clubs not knowing what it is like to be out of the top 6, just look at MVFC, RFC & CFC, these clubs have won the last 7 flags and have not always been at the top of the table but have got the right people involved & got the right processes in place!

15 teams is about 5 to many, so if the bottom 5 aren't up to it, FOLD!
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby vics01 » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:37 am

ROO TED
I think all these people bitching on here are scared of a bit of competition. Afraid of getting knocked off your perches. You probably doný even know what it's like for your club to be oustside the top 6!


I can assure you that Cove supporters know what it is like to be down and out, but they also know what hard work can achieve.

We all want a vibrant strong competition, but not a handicap competition. Not only are some clubs asking for more points they also have a some what different draw to the top six. A quasi 2 division competition is what is being created except that by default some teams will finish in the 8.

Maybe we should call the SFL the Southern Gift in order to recognise the handicapping system.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby Big Knight » Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:17 am

And where are Porties and Flaggies going to continue to finish, middle of the road???

The points system is there for them to request additional point as well. I'd suggerst a lot of people on here don't know the full intricacies of the new points sytem compared to the old.[/quote]

I don't think Porties and Flaggies are concerned about these Northern club's poaching, or the points either, they are solid clubs. Their attraction and retention strategies for players is really bloody good. Club culture is ingrained and is improved over time, you don't get that with poaching or points requesting.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby 85 WAS A GOOD YEAR » Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:29 pm

Roo Ted wrote:I think all these people bitching on here are scared of a bit of competition. Afraid of getting knocked off your perches. You probably doný even know what it's like for your club to be oustside the top 6!


You're couldn't be talking about Flagstaff here Roo Ted.... In recent years the Elim Final is our best effort :(

I'm not scared. Just hoping for a level playing field to compete in, and recognition for my club's long-term junior development program.

Just for everyone's information, as part of the SFL consultation process, I was privvy to the full CONFIDENTIAL applications from the 4 clubs .
The previous post quoted only a small part of each club's applications.

From what I understand no club has had approvals yet, so we will all just need to wait and see how it goes.
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby WHEELS&DEALS » Sat Jan 29, 2011 5:48 pm

Hope this post doesn’t turn into a novel but some people have no idea. Hopefully they still take time to read this

Senior footy, I’m not going to blow wind up your butt and say Morphy Parks don’t spend money on players; of course we do as does every club. Do we have a budget that we can spend on players? Yes we do. If we as a club can afford to spend money on players we will do so. Some of our decision on what money goes to what players may have been wrong, but that is the reason why those players are no longer with us. As a club you try to get the right people for the right job for the right money. Sometimes that person might not work out so you have to find someone else. You need to spend money to make money and that is a fact of life, if you don’t believe that you have got your head up your arse. We don’t just spend money on players and hope for the best. We try and make the club a good social club not just a football club. We spend money on the club and make it a place where you want to go. To have a successful club you need to be competitive in the A grade and B grade and when you don’t have juniors coming through you need to recruit senior players from other clubs otherwise you won’t have a team and you will no longer have a club. a few years back we got a bad rap about a few incidents that involved other clubs not just ours, it has taken a lot of hard work to have that stigma left behind and turn the club around to where we want to be and that is a competitive, successful club that has all grades from A grade down to under 8’s

Junior footy. This is where I get a bit pissed off by wankers saying that we don’t work hard enough on getting kids into our footy club. Give me a break; we work just as hard if not harder on trying to get kids to our club. 2 years ago we only had and under 8 and 10 team, last year we had 8’s, 10’s, 12’s and 14’s. The under 14’s even played finals in their first year. This year we will have under 16’s to add to that list. From what I have read in the last few pages people out there think we only spend money on our senior players and give nothing to our juniors. They could not be any more wrong. People say give them cheap subs or even free, funny we did that last year. This year I would say we have the cheapest subs in the SFL and we will keep trying to get kids to our club any way we can. If this means chucking in free shorts and socks and anything else we can think of then we will do it, if some of our sponsors want to pay for some of the kids subs well we will let them. There aren’t too many kids out there that play footy and aren’t involved in a club in some way, so if that’s where we have to get them from we will try our best. What we can offer kids is a game every week, not missing out every 2nd week or sitting on the bench for a half a game because that club has too many kids. All the clubs with dual teams good luck to you but if clubs like us, Marion, OSB,Aldinga and any other struggling club folds it may be a bit boring playing the same 4 teams all the time for a whole season.

It will be a few years before our juniors step up and play senior footy, what are we supposed to do in the mean time? Not field a team. One thing we have learnt it is easier to attract kids when you have successful senior teams, so in a few years time hopefully we won’t need any extra points. Some other club might by then and it could be yours, so think of the big picture not just this year. I’m sure I have probably left something out so feel free to comment. Go you ROOS
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Re: Southern Football League

Postby The Low Down » Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:18 pm

Wow what a read over the past handful of pages!

Firstly, why don't Marion and Morphetville Park combine to make one super packet of chips and get rid of that stupid oval that morphies play on.
OR
It's kind of a no-brainer to the rest of the state the sfl has needed to return to a twin division comp for some time - using a relegation system.

As for juniors, I know that when points hit country footy some very smart clubs started buying up local junior talent and SANFL under age signatures (SANFL players would use the club as a home club incase they were dropped, injured etc.). Smart as when these SANFL players didnt make the cut they were considered zero point senior footballers who had come through the SANFL system and then were really worth somoething. A club in particular offered an incentive to under age footballers and their PARENTS that they'd get 50 bucks for every mate they brought out who signed up and played - this club not only filled a team and some, they made finals that same year. Again - this was not the SFL and the senior side they had on the park was competitive enough not to embarrass the under-ages too much...

Two divs or die!

Hey here's a last minute thought, split junior and senior competitions completely! A,B, C and under 18 (or whatever) and the rest is up to these clubs to promote and work with the junior clubs to create pathways.... maybe its being done I dont know.
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