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Re: I need to know....

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:19 pm

tigerpie wrote:
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tigerpie wrote:What the outcome of a town meeting about the whyalla steelworks is going to be.
If the amount of monies owing is as big as it is then this could get real ugly real quick.


What's the goss here @tigerpie?
I cant find anything

Me either.
But holy shit this guy owes some cash.
6 million in royalties to the barngarla people is just one debt and that's past due, amongst others.


Here you go - found this in AFR
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GFG Alliance’s bills mount as the Whyalla Steelworks begins to strain
Simon Evans and Elouise Fowler
Sep 17, 2024 – 5.00am

The Whyalla Steelworks has begun falling behind on payments to suppliers at the same time as it cuts staff and faces falling steel prices, in a sign that financial pressure is building on the industrial empire put together by British businessman Sanjeev Gupta.

Several suppliers have issued default notices to companies owned by Mr Gupta’s GFG Alliance, the owner of the steelworks north of Adelaide, which is also on the hook for unpaid native title royalties. A $6.5 million bill, related to a claim over the company’s iron ore mine near the steelworks, will finally be settled with monthly payments of $204,000 to native titleholders until the middle of next year.

Despite the financial strain – GFG Alliance has been struggling for years to repay massive debts owed to the creditors of collapsed Australian financier Greensill – Mr Gupta is the new owner of a Sydney harbourside apartment and a berth to house his yacht, The Australian Financial Review’s Rear Window column reported this month.

The collapse of Greensill, which lent GFG Alliance around $US5 billion ($7.4 billion), was a major reason for Credit Suisse’s difficulties last year, which ultimately led to its takeover by Swiss rival UBS. Greensill companies have previously pointed to the GFG Alliance and its debts, which had “started to default”, for its failure.

According to CreditorWatch, which monitors credit scores and defaults, GFG Alliance’s Australian subsidiary One Steel has in the last month failed to pay at least two suppliers including Fire Rescue Safety and SGS, which provides site inspection services.

South Australia’s Mining Minister, Tom Koutsantonis, confirmed on Monday that there were “creditors who are waiting for money”. But, Mr Koutsantonis added, some creditors were being paid and it was important not to “create a panic”.

“You’re not doing the creditors any good if the steelworks falls over and goes into administration,” he said. “The first people who miss out are the creditors. The best thing to do is to keep this thing operating.”

A GFG Alliance spokeswoman said the company was working through a downturn in steel prices. “The steel industry globally is going through an extended downturn, with a slowdown in demand and severe pressure from overseas suppliers,” she said.

An extended property meltdown in China has created economic uncertainties in the major export market, leading to lower demand for steel. At the same time, Beijing is pushing steel to be exported, leading to trade sanctions, including from India. ArcelorMittal, one of the world’s biggest steel producers, last month said it expected a big slowdown in growth over the next 12 months.

GFG Alliance’s Whyalla Steelworks has already cut dozens of jobs, and is cutting costs including on maintenance at the plant. It has also grappled with a near four-month shutdown at the plant, which only returned to production in early July, caused by a cracked blast furnace. More job losses are coming from a nearby mine in the Middleback Ranges owned by Mr Gupta, which supplies the steelworks with iron ore.

Mr Gupta acquired the steelworks in 2017, along with other assets, for about $700 million after the collapse of Arrium, once part of BHP.

Many in Whyalla, an industrial centre and a major regional town in SA, are increasingly sceptical about the survival of the steelworks after GFG Alliance announced in May a two-year delay for a proposed $500 million upgrade to the steelworks.

But Whyalla mayor Phill Stone said there was no choice but to back GFG Alliance. “We have to put our faith and trust that they are still working to a plan,” he said. “You couldn’t get it at a worse time if you planned it. Some of these job losses were in the wind.”

The faults at the plant and downturn in steel prices compound an adverse finding by law firm Norman Waterhouse which concluded GFG Alliance owed the Barngarla Determination Aboriginal Corporation some $6.5 million in royalties back payments.

The law firm found there was “an underpayment of royalties” in the decade to June last year. In November, GFG Alliance’s One Steel subsidiary agreed to pay an upfront $1.6 million, followed by monthly payments totalling $4.9 million.

Support columns for a highway under construction in Jinan, China. Fewer construction projects in the country has dented demand for steel, and with it, iron ore.

Simon Evans writes on business specialising in retail, manufacturing, beverages, mining and M&A. He is based in Adelaide. Connect with Simon on Twitter. Email Simon at simon.evans@afr.com
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Sep 18, 2024 6:28 pm

Here's another relevant article

GFG Alliance drags its heels on paying Greensill Capital debts
Jenny Wiggins
Infrastructure reporter
Apr 15, 2024 – 6.12pm

Sanjeev Gupta’s GFG Alliance has not yet paid any of the $900 million it owes to collapsed supply chain finance firm Greensill Capital despite another debt deal in March, British administrators say.

The global steel group accessed about $5 billion in funding from Greensill Capital through various schemes, and still owes $US587 million ($900 million) directly to the administrators of the London-headquartered financier, which collapsed in March 2021.

To try to get the money back, the administrators signed documents known as “term agreements” with Mr Gupta and GFG’s entities in November 2022 and June last year. More documents were signed after further negotiations in March this year.

The most recent agreement would include lump sum and “bullet” repayments, administrator Grant Thornton said in a report filed with British regulators on Sunday.

But no payments have been forthcoming from GFG as of March 7. Grant Thornton has warned that if GFG does not make the repayments, it will consider “recovery options” under security and guarantees granted by the global steel group.

A GFG spokeswoman said the company’s Liberty Steel Group had signed a framework agreement with major creditors after raising new capital, but declined to provide details on the agreement or specify when the group would pay back its debts.

GFG was Greensill Capital’s biggest customer. It used the firm’s financing schemes to help fund the expansion of its global steel business, including its operations in Australia which include InfraBuild and South Australia’s Whyalla Steelworks, which is struggling with an extended shutdown.

InfraBuild is considered the best-performing part of GFG’s empire but December-half profits plunged 75 per cent and cash flow dropped sharply.

GFG also owes money to Swiss investment bank Credit Suisse, which is now owned by UBS. Credit Suisse managed $US10 billion in supply chain finance funds that held securities issued by Greensill Capital, including invoices on which GFG owed payment.

Credit Suisse had also signed non-binding documents with GFG to try to recover monies owed. But while GFG has repaid debts to Credit Suisse linked to its Australian operations, it still owes about $1.4 billion on debts linked to other entities.

In January, Credit Suisse said a proposed date for GFG to make an upfront cash payment had passed without any money being paid and that it was “considering all options to maximise investor returns”.

Credit Suisse is among the groups suing Greensill Capital’s insurers, including ASX-listed IAG, to try to recover money for investors in its funds if creditors such as GFG do not make good on their debts.

Greensill Capital managed $US17.7 billion of assets when it collapsed. The administrators have recovered $US9.3 billion but $US8.4 billion is still owing from 71 entities, Grant Thornton found in its latest report.

Greensill Capital has been joined to the 10 Australian court proceedings filed against the firm’s insurers. Grant Thornton said the collapsed firm was an “inactive party” and would not financially benefit from the outcome of the court cases, which are expected to continue well into next year unless they are settled.

However, the collapsed firm will be required to provide documents and information for use in the lawsuits.

The administration is due to end next March but is likely to be extended.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby tigerpie » Wed Sep 18, 2024 7:48 pm

The scary part is that gfg are now going into a downturn in the market already debt laden to the max.

This could be the final breaking point not just for the steelworks but for the town itself.
And that would put a huge dent in the states economy as well. The ripple effect will be huge.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Sep 19, 2024 10:59 am

tigerpie wrote:The scary part is that gfg are now going into a downturn in the market already debt laden to the max.

This could be the final breaking point not just for the steelworks but for the town itself.
And that would put a huge dent in the states economy as well. The ripple effect will be huge.


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Re: I need to know....

Postby tigerpie » Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:00 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
tigerpie wrote:The scary part is that gfg are now going into a downturn in the market already debt laden to the max.

This could be the final breaking point not just for the steelworks but for the town itself.
And that would put a huge dent in the states economy as well. The ripple effect will be huge.


kouts is onto it

He's shitting lumps and so are his colleagues federal and state.
They are frightened he'll pack up and leave.
I hope the powers that be are working on something in the background and I don't mean bailing HIM out.
Buying him out might be more applicable!
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Re: I need to know....

Postby amber_fluid » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:55 pm

Spargo wrote:Where’s @Vamos?


Had a beer at the Div 1 footy with him today.
He got banned after the showdown

Any reason why @Wedgie?
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Re: I need to know....

Postby amber_fluid » Sat Sep 21, 2024 6:55 pm

Spargo wrote:Where’s @Vamos?


Had a beer at the Div 1 footy with him today.
He got banned after the showdown

Any reason why @Wedgie?
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Re: I need to know....

Postby dedja » Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:02 pm

Can’t he just login on one of his other accounts? :-??

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Re: I need to know....

Postby amber_fluid » Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:02 pm

dedja wrote:Can’t he just login on one of his other accounts? :-??

:D


They’ve been banned also
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Re: I need to know....

Postby dedja » Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:04 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
dedja wrote:Can’t he just login on one of his other accounts? :-??

:D


They’ve been banned also
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Spargo » Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:11 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
dedja wrote:Can’t he just login on one of his other accounts? :-??

:D


They’ve been banned also
:lol:

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Re: I need to know....

Postby dedja » Sat Sep 21, 2024 7:12 pm

Spargo wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
dedja wrote:Can’t he just login on one of his other accounts? :-??

:D


They’ve been banned also
:lol:

:lol:


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Re: I need to know....

Postby tigerpie » Sat Sep 21, 2024 10:00 pm

Banned....like forever?
So what's the goss must've been pretty bad.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby amber_fluid » Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:27 pm

Who’s running this site now?
Can we let Vamos back on?
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Corona Man » Sun Sep 22, 2024 7:36 pm

amber_fluid wrote:Who’s running this site now?
Can we let Vamos back on?

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Re: I need to know....

Postby dedja » Sun Sep 22, 2024 9:12 pm

amber_fluid wrote:Who’s running this site now?
Can we let Vamos back on?


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Re: I need to know....

Postby dedja » Sun Sep 22, 2024 10:30 pm

amber_fluid wrote:Who’s running this site now?
Can we let Vamos back on?



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Re: I need to know....

Postby heater31 » Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:45 am

amber_fluid wrote:Who’s running this site now?
Can we let Vamos back on?
Not my call to let him back on, but the reason for removal has no place in today's world.

If it was in the workplace, there would be severe repercussions.
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Re: I need to know....

Postby amber_fluid » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:05 am

heater31 wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:Who’s running this site now?
Can we let Vamos back on?
Not my call to let him back on, but the reason for removal has no place in today's world.

If it was in the workplace, there would be severe repercussions.


Did you see what was posted?
Or told 2nd hand?
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Re: I need to know....

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 23, 2024 10:36 am

How long will it last then?
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