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daysofourlives wrote:The biggest problem in here is the , it doesnt effect me so who cares attitude of 95% of the posters.

RB wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:The biggest problem in here is the , it doesnt effect me so who cares attitude of 95% of the posters.

The irony here is that one of the central themes of your ravings over the last year or so is that, because 95% of people won't be seriously affected by catching COVID-19, we should just let it spread through the community and sod the 5% of elderly or immuno-compromised folks who get seriously ill or die.

I should also point out that even if we took that 'It doesn't affect me so who cares' attitude, many of the 95% would actually be affected by the enormous strain that would be placed on our hospitals.

daysofourlives wrote:

Psyber wrote:As a trained and experienced doctor, but not I admit an infectious diseases expert, I take this CV virus very seriously and I am very happy to have had my second AZ jab last night.

When I can (perhaps next year) I'll have the Pfizer as well and line up for an annual booster as we do for the influenza shot. I've even had the Rabies vaccination when I was about to travel to a high risk area for that.

What has been revealed by the hostility to rational medical advice and sensible government restrictions to prevent the spread of this potentially fatal virus is that the incidence of paranoid and delusional thinking in the community is much more widespread than we had thought it was.

No what has been revealed is the willingness of Doctors like yourself to tow the line despite not having any scientific evidence whatsoever.
Whats in the vaccine?
Can you show us the warning label that comes with the vaccine?
Can you show us that covid19 has actually been isolated?
Can you provide the "experts" advice that lockdowns work? that masks work? Just as many peer reviewed studies out there to show that masks do not work.
If i was to have a letter drawn up for you to sign, saying that you take responsibility for any adverse reaction or death from administering me the vaccine, would you sign it? I rest my case

Psyber wrote:I don't expect to convert you - just to oppose you frightening others.

Psyber wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:

Psyber wrote:As a trained and experienced doctor, but not I admit an infectious diseases expert, I take this CV virus very seriously and I am very happy to have had my second AZ jab last night.

When I can (perhaps next year) I'll have the Pfizer as well and line up for an annual booster as we do for the influenza shot. I've even had the Rabies vaccination when I was about to travel to a high risk area for that.

What has been revealed by the hostility to rational medical advice and sensible government restrictions to prevent the spread of this potentially fatal virus is that the incidence of paranoid and delusional thinking in the community is much more widespread than we had thought it was.

No what has been revealed is the willingness of Doctors like yourself to tow the line despite not having any scientific evidence whatsoever.
Whats in the vaccine?
Can you show us the warning label that comes with the vaccine?
Can you show us that covid19 has actually been isolated?
Can you provide the "experts" advice that lockdowns work? that masks work? Just as many peer reviewed studies out there to show that masks do not work.
If i was to have a letter drawn up for you to sign, saying that you take responsibility for any adverse reaction or death from administering me the vaccine, would you sign it? I rest my case

No what has been revealed is the willingness of Doctors like yourself to tow the line despite not having any scientific evidence whatsoever.
I don't automatically toe any line but I read the technical information and statistics available to me in medical journals.

Whats in the vaccine? The details would require a full journal article, but basically the same stuff that is in other vaccines that have saved lives over the years.So you as a GP do not know the answer

Can you show us the warning label that comes with the vaccine? No I didn't bother to look personally as I've been having vaccines since the 1950s and never had a problem with any of them. Again it seems you do not know the answer or you are refusing to share it with us because you have been told you are not allowed to. Shouldnt you know this before giving advice to patients?

Can you show us that covid19 has actually been isolated? No I haven't been reading specialist Virology journals lately, but I can't see any reason anyone would be motivated to make it up.I think you do know the answer to this but wont say as you know im right

Can you provide the "experts" advice that lockdowns work? that masks work? Just as many peer reviewed studies out there to show that masks do not work. Anything that prevents spread of any infective agent from one person to another works to some degree but nothing is 100% perfect. You have to go with the probabilities. Occasional failures don't prove it is all a lie except to the paranoid. The mask issue - if fitted properly they help prevent spread but if they leave a gap on either side of your nose or over your cheeks their effectiveness is reduced. A lot of people don't fit them to their face properly especially those who resent using them.

If i was to have a letter drawn up for you to sign, saying that you take responsibility for any adverse reaction or death from administering me the vaccine, would you sign it? No but I'd sign one stating we had discussed the small risks involved compared to the higher risks from actually catching the virus and then let you make your choice.. The prosecution rests your honour

That is my last comment. It is like discussing religion. People choose to believe what they want to believe regardless and rational discussion is ineffective. I don't expect to convert you - just to oppose you frightening others.

Booney wrote:The "do lockdowns work" question is everything you need to know about the bloke.

Booney wrote:A doctor and a sceptic walk into a bar, one of them is armed with facts, years of medical training and the ability to articulate their stance supported by science, the other does not.

daysofourlives wrote:

Psyber wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:

Psyber wrote:As a trained and experienced doctor, but not I admit an infectious diseases expert, I take this CV virus very seriously and I am very happy to have had my second AZ jab last night.

When I can (perhaps next year) I'll have the Pfizer as well and line up for an annual booster as we do for the influenza shot. I've even had the Rabies vaccination when I was about to travel to a high risk area for that.

What has been revealed by the hostility to rational medical advice and sensible government restrictions to prevent the spread of this potentially fatal virus is that the incidence of paranoid and delusional thinking in the community is much more widespread than we had thought it was.

No what has been revealed is the willingness of Doctors like yourself to tow the line despite not having any scientific evidence whatsoever.
Whats in the vaccine?
Can you show us the warning label that comes with the vaccine?
Can you show us that covid19 has actually been isolated?
Can you provide the "experts" advice that lockdowns work? that masks work? Just as many peer reviewed studies out there to show that masks do not work.
If i was to have a letter drawn up for you to sign, saying that you take responsibility for any adverse reaction or death from administering me the vaccine, would you sign it? I rest my case

No what has been revealed is the willingness of Doctors like yourself to tow the line despite not having any scientific evidence whatsoever.
I don't automatically toe any line but I read the technical information and statistics available to me in medical journals.

Whats in the vaccine? The details would require a full journal article, but basically the same stuff that is in other vaccines that have saved lives over the years.So you as a GP do not know the answer

Can you show us the warning label that comes with the vaccine? No I didn't bother to look personally as I've been having vaccines since the 1950s and never had a problem with any of them. Again it seems you do not know the answer or you are refusing to share it with us because you have been told you are not allowed to. Shouldnt you know this before giving advice to patients?

Can you show us that covid19 has actually been isolated? No I haven't been reading specialist Virology journals lately, but I can't see any reason anyone would be motivated to make it up.I think you do know the answer to this but wont say as you know im right

Can you provide the "experts" advice that lockdowns work? that masks work? Just as many peer reviewed studies out there to show that masks do not work. Anything that prevents spread of any infective agent from one person to another works to some degree but nothing is 100% perfect. You have to go with the probabilities. Occasional failures don't prove it is all a lie except to the paranoid. The mask issue - if fitted properly they help prevent spread but if they leave a gap on either side of your nose or over your cheeks their effectiveness is reduced. A lot of people don't fit them to their face properly especially those who resent using them.

If i was to have a letter drawn up for you to sign, saying that you take responsibility for any adverse reaction or death from administering me the vaccine, would you sign it? No but I'd sign one stating we had discussed the small risks involved compared to the higher risks from actually catching the virus and then let you make your choice.. The prosecution rests your honour

That is my last comment. It is like discussing religion. People choose to believe what they want to believe regardless and rational discussion is ineffective. I don't expect to convert you - just to oppose you frightening others.

I hope i am frightening others to not take this poison, if one person looks into it a bit more and decides that perhaps the vaccine isnt for them then my time hasnt been wasted. I also hope that more and more are starting to see this scam for what it is.

Psyber wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:

Psyber wrote:As a trained and experienced doctor, but not I admit an infectious diseases expert, I take this CV virus very seriously and I am very happy to have had my second AZ jab last night.

When I can (perhaps next year) I'll have the Pfizer as well and line up for an annual booster as we do for the influenza shot. I've even had the Rabies vaccination when I was about to travel to a high risk area for that.

What has been revealed by the hostility to rational medical advice and sensible government restrictions to prevent the spread of this potentially fatal virus is that the incidence of paranoid and delusional thinking in the community is much more widespread than we had thought it was.

No what has been revealed is the willingness of Doctors like yourself to tow the line despite not having any scientific evidence whatsoever.
Whats in the vaccine?
Can you show us the warning label that comes with the vaccine?
Can you show us that covid19 has actually been isolated?
Can you provide the "experts" advice that lockdowns work? that masks work? Just as many peer reviewed studies out there to show that masks do not work.
If i was to have a letter drawn up for you to sign, saying that you take responsibility for any adverse reaction or death from administering me the vaccine, would you sign it? I rest my case

No what has been revealed is the willingness of Doctors like yourself to tow the line despite not having any scientific evidence whatsoever.
I don't automatically toe any line but I read the technical information and statistics available to me in medical journals.

Whats in the vaccine? The details would require a full journal article, but basically the same stuff that is in other vaccines that have saved lives over the years.

Can you show us the warning label that comes with the vaccine? No I didn't bother to look personally as I've been having vaccines since the 1950s and never had a problem with any of them.

Can you show us that covid19 has actually been isolated? No I haven't been reading specialist Virology journals lately, but I can't see any reason anyone would be motivated to make it up.

Can you provide the "experts" advice that lockdowns work? that masks work? Just as many peer reviewed studies out there to show that masks do not work. Anything that prevents spread of any infective agent from one person to another works to some degree but nothing is 100% perfect. You have to go with the probabilities. Occasional failures don't prove it is all a lie except to the paranoid. The mask issue - if fitted properly they help prevent spread but if they leave a gap on either side of your nose or over your cheeks their effectiveness is reduced. A lot of people don't fit them to their face properly especially those who resent using them.

If i was to have a letter drawn up for you to sign, saying that you take responsibility for any adverse reaction or death from administering me the vaccine, would you sign it? No but I'd sign one stating we had discussed the small risks involved compared to the higher risks from actually catching the virus and then let you make your choice..

That is my last comment. It is like discussing religion. People choose to believe what they want to believe regardless and rational discussion is ineffective. I don't expect to convert you - just to oppose you frightening others.

Corona Man wrote:Panic buying back in vogue here in Melbourne.

Couldn’t find a space in the car park of my local Dan’s.

Not to be deterred, parked around the corner. 15 minute wait to get through the check out with a slab of beer and a dozen bottles of wine.

Home safely now, and tucking in..

Corona Man wrote:Panic buying back in vogue here in Melbourne.

Couldn’t find a space in the car park of my local Dan’s.

Not to be deterred, parked around the corner. 15 minute wait to get through the check out with a slab of beer and a dozen bottles of wine.

Home safely now, and tucking in..

RB wrote:

daysofourlives wrote:The biggest problem in here is the , it doesnt effect me so who cares attitude of 95% of the posters.

The irony here is that one of the central themes of your ravings over the last year or so is that, because 95% of people won't be seriously affected by catching COVID-19, we should just let it spread through the community and sod the 5% of elderly or immuno-compromised folks who get seriously ill or die.

I should also point out that even if we took that 'It doesn't affect me so who cares' attitude, many of the 95% would actually be affected by the enormous strain that would be placed on our hospitals.