by Footy Smart » Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:37 pm
smac wrote:Footy Smart wrote:smac wrote:If the pathway is right, then all cricketers will find their right level. Grade cricket should be about elite cricket. Whites cricket and C/D grade cricket is not about elitism. If there were no C grade for Jake to play in, then his development would have been fast tracked by the club playing him in the B grade as they would not have wanted to lose a talented kid to their system. I would also advocate U18s.
Not always the case Smac, Once a player leaves a District club they very rarely come back and or develop further. I have come from a Turf club and seen players leave for turf clubs(they never come back)
What if you have a strong B grade with depth in your bowling? Jake as a young bowler isnt better than the current 25-27 yo bowlers in the B grade.... where does he play? Where does he train? does he come back if he leaves? Young players in the C/D grade still have access to better facilities than 90% of turf clubs, supposedly better coaching and a clear pathway to State cricket. Once the player leaves they are as good as lost.
You neglected the first sentence - currently I agree. But if Grade cricket becomes elite then players will return or be promoted younger. Jets had a 15 year old in the B grade GF this year, which was about fast tracking his development not because he was a defenite B grade selection.
by Bulls forever » Sat Aug 28, 2010 1:07 pm
smac wrote:Footy Smart wrote:smac wrote:If the pathway is right, then all cricketers will find their right level. Grade cricket should be about elite cricket. Whites cricket and C/D grade cricket is not about elitism. If there were no C grade for Jake to play in, then his development would have been fast tracked by the club playing him in the B grade as they would not have wanted to lose a talented kid to their system. I would also advocate U18s.
Not always the case Smac, Once a player leaves a District club they very rarely come back and or develop further. I have come from a Turf club and seen players leave for turf clubs(they never come back)
What if you have a strong B grade with depth in your bowling? Jake as a young bowler isnt better than the current 25-27 yo bowlers in the B grade.... where does he play? Where does he train? does he come back if he leaves? Young players in the C/D grade still have access to better facilities than 90% of turf clubs, supposedly better coaching and a clear pathway to State cricket. Once the player leaves they are as good as lost.
You neglected the first sentence - currently I agree. But if Grade cricket becomes elite then players will return or be promoted younger. Jets had a 15 year old in the B grade GF this year, which was about fast tracking his development not because he was a defenite B grade selection.
by Benchwarmer » Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:41 am
by smac » Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:18 pm
Bulls forever wrote:smac wrote:You neglected the first sentence - currently I agree. But if Grade cricket becomes elite then players will return or be promoted younger. Jets had a 15 year old in the B grade GF this year, which was about fast tracking his development not because he was a defenite B grade selection.
Sounds like another inspired selection to me SMAC, it obviously worked with that premiership they probably should have won the past two years, except for very insipid batting. The one nthing everyone is missing in this is the financial viabbility of a club. You must always think club before you enter into structure discussions, we nall know that is bloddy hard work for cricket clubs, irrespective of where they play, it is a battle to make ends meet. The more players you have, the better chance for financial return and stability.
by Footy Smart » Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:49 am
smac wrote:Bulls forever wrote:smac wrote:You neglected the first sentence - currently I agree. But if Grade cricket becomes elite then players will return or be promoted younger. Jets had a 15 year old in the B grade GF this year, which was about fast tracking his development not because he was a defenite B grade selection.
Sounds like another inspired selection to me SMAC, it obviously worked with that premiership they probably should have won the past two years, except for very insipid batting. The one nthing everyone is missing in this is the financial viabbility of a club. You must always think club before you enter into structure discussions, we nall know that is bloddy hard work for cricket clubs, irrespective of where they play, it is a battle to make ends meet. The more players you have, the better chance for financial return and stability.
On the other side of that coin, the less teams you have to field, the less costs you have related to getting those teams on the field - pitch preparations etc.
And agree about the premierships - could have done with this seasons GF weather in the previous GF!
by smac » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:47 pm
by Footy Smart » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:54 pm
smac wrote:I disagree. A Grade club should be able to afford it. FFS, a $50k grant each season from SACA should be a fair kick start!
by smac » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:26 pm
by turbo182 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 2:50 pm
by RedMagpie » Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:04 pm
turbo182 wrote:AS for the merger situation: We actively pursued a merger with woodville 10 years ago. Only one club was interested in a fair an equitable split and it subsequently died in teh A$$. Rpobably why theres a bit of animosity between the two clubs.
by turbo182 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 4:59 pm
RedMagpie wrote:turbo182 wrote:AS for the merger situation: We actively pursued a merger with woodville 10 years ago. Only one club was interested in a fair an equitable split and it subsequently died in teh A$$. Rpobably why theres a bit of animosity between the two clubs.
Would a promotion/demotion system work?
by Iron Fist » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:03 am
turbo182 wrote:RedMagpie wrote:turbo182 wrote:AS for the merger situation: We actively pursued a merger with woodville 10 years ago. Only one club was interested in a fair an equitable split and it subsequently died in teh A$$. Rpobably why theres a bit of animosity between the two clubs.
Would a promotion/demotion system work?
Simialr to country cricket? Perhaps, but I would have thought there would need to be a couple of sides added - ie the strongest turf clubs. But Grange are all ex west torrens players anyway!
I think the promotion demotions system is possible, but six sides is probably too small a number - perhaps the merger issue needs to be re-visited. I don't think the problem is junior/lower grade cricket. I think the lack of quality in a grade cricekt is to blame. (keep in mind this is coming from an absolute hack of a cricketer )
by smac » Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:40 pm
turbo182 wrote:I can't ebgin to descrie how important the c/d and whtie grades are to grade cricket.
If We (west torrens) Didn't have whites grades/c and d grade, Peter George would be nowhere as a cricketer. he could ahrdly get a gig in under 16s, and then played a hell of a lot of d grade in his first year or two. Just because someone becomes an elite cricket at 25, does not mean they were always destined to get there.
AS far as running a grade club goes: a fifty thousand dolalr grant from the Saca? Hopefully that would get us to round 1.
Curator fees alone cover half of them easily AT LEAST! - has anyone seen waht henely oval looks like at the moment> There's so many costs involved wiht running a CC that you probably
Perfect example: Cricket balls? Sixty bucks a pop - roughly 15 innings per team, plus one day games adn twenty-20's. theres another 5 grand - not even including training balls!
AS for the merger situation: We actively pursued a merger with woodville 10 years ago. Only one club was interested in a fair an equitable split and it subsequently died in teh A$$. Rpobably why theres a bit of animosity between the two clubs.
by turbo182 » Wed Sep 08, 2010 3:35 pm
by smac » Wed Sep 08, 2010 7:57 pm
by Bulls forever » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:46 pm
by heater31 » Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:46 pm
Bulls forever wrote:gee smac i certainly hope you are not associated with a grade club. If your Salisbury reference is in respect to your cricket affiliation, I can almost hear those that worked so hard for that club shuddering. Look at the eastern wall, at the photos that take pride of place. Where the hell do you think Darling, Prior, Causby, Davey, Bishop, Jolly, Heinrich, Lehman, etc. etc. etc. formulated their cricket skills. I can certainly tell you it wasn't with a community club in the northern suburbs. They all played a bit or significant amount of cricket in lower grades and also U17's for that club. The grade clubs identify talent at very early age and ensure that hose standouts, as most of above were are nutured into the grade structure, gently, testing nthem, but not throwing them nto the wolves. If your association is with Salisbury, they have an outstanding record as a grade club in identifying talent and taking it to the best posible level, they did it well in the past and they certainly do it nwelln now. Their record over 35 nyears is second to none. And they have done it, Manou, Cosgrove, Duval, Harris, under the current structure of cricket in SA. Perhaps the SACA and other grade clubs can learn a bit from them, sorry make nthat a lot.
by smac » Wed Sep 08, 2010 11:01 pm
by Bulls forever » Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:31 pm
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