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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby stampy » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:42 pm

were the proteas worst affected by the delay?
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Jim05 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:49 pm

What is it about rain and the Saffers
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby carey » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:49 pm

stampy wrote:were the proteas worst affected by the delay?


By the length of the straight they were!
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby whufc » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:49 pm

stampy wrote:were the proteas worst affected by the delay?


Easily imho
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby whufc » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:50 pm

carey wrote:
stampy wrote:were the proteas worst affected by the delay?


By the length of the straight they were!


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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby gadj1976 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:50 pm

stampy wrote:were the proteas worst affected by the delay?


Certainly I think they were. I always think the team batting first is disadvantaged in rain delay games.

In this game, I think SA had momentum going into the last overs and then they had to stop and start again.

What the D/L method doesn't take into account is the run rate going into the delay. I really think they could've got 360 which would've been a difficult run chase for the Kiwis. The D/L method only making the target 298 was disadvantageous for SA.
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby LaughingKookaburra » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:02 pm

But let's be serious here. When the game was there to be grabbed by the nuts with 3 seperate dismissals in the last 10 overs it was coughed up. I agree the side batting second gets the advantage but this alone cost 4 runs and a change of bat and when the game is that tight in a pressure cooking environment you still had a good chance to win.... Had the chance but ****** it.... It's harsh but its true!
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:08 pm

No 5th bowler for the Saffers tonight. DL cruelled their score but Elliott and Anderson are dead set average. Should have gone on with it after Taylor was dismissed. Can't have the Kiwis for the cup. Thursdays winner will salute.

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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Grahaml » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:11 pm

At one stage they brought up SA's average run rates in different phases. Based on that, they were on target for 350 before the rain delay. After that, nothing really changed that so I thought a RR of 7 was right for 50 over. Add a little because of the shorter innings and I felt 310 was right. 298 not enough, but given the way the game has changed in the last 6 months 12 runs shy of my estimate is a pretty good estimate. Certainly better than systems we've had in place previously. DL always seems to be around the mark where you'd be scratching your head with others sometimes. Like the 23 of 12 turning into 22 off 1 scenario.

In the end, not a convincing win by NZ for me. Seemed they had so much go their way and yet they still only just won. Picking Philander was a joke. Abbott I thought recently has been bowling better than Steyn and should be picked ahead of both Philander and Morkel. Steyn had a bad day, but early on there was no backup firepower. Once NZ got going he tried too much. Add in some farcical fielding by SA with easy missed run outs, fielders running into each other under high balls, Steyn struggling with fitness and some absolute poo bowling. That was from their 4 genuine bowlers too. Tahir did a nice job, but the seamers were definitely poor. Steyn bowling rat power half trackers was sad. Then when you're relying on Duminy and De Villiers for a full bowling allocation, the rain delay too seemed to hurt SA and suddenly a lot went against SA. Mostly their own doing though. Also think the final being in AUS will be another factor against NZ. I think whoever wins the other game will have a lot to feel good about.
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Aerie » Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:58 pm

Amazing game of cricket. You could throw a blanket over the 4 semi finalists. Hopefully the next two games are as good. Nice to see Vettori out there when the winning runs were hit - he has been a champ for them for a long time.
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Q. » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:16 pm

Massive choke.
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby LBT » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:06 am

New Zealand already have enough trophies for my liking, geez they're even winning the NBL every year.
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:13 am

Grant Elliott - born in South Africa
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:29 am

Chasing 298 from 43 overs against Steyn & Morkel is an amazing feat IMO, South Africa batted too slow initially, they won the toss and elected to bat so they can't complain too much about the D/L, they were just lucky that they got to go out there for that 5 extra overs.
The New Zealand chase was exceptional, I thought the 298 was a fair adjustment and was going to be a tough ask chasing 7 an over for 43 overs, they've earnt their right to play inn the final, good luck to them.
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:32 am

Grahaml wrote:At one stage they brought up SA's average run rates in different phases. Based on that, they were on target for 350 before the rain delay. After that, nothing really changed that so I thought a RR of 7 was right for 50 over. Add a little because of the shorter innings and I felt 310 was right. 298 not enough, but given the way the game has changed in the last 6 months 12 runs shy of my estimate is a pretty good estimate. Certainly better than systems we've had in place previously. DL always seems to be around the mark where you'd be scratching your head with others sometimes. Like the 23 of 12 turning into 22 off 1 scenario.

In the end, not a convincing win by NZ for me. Seemed they had so much go their way and yet they still only just won. Picking Philander was a joke. Abbott I thought recently has been bowling better than Steyn and should be picked ahead of both Philander and Morkel. Steyn had a bad day, but early on there was no backup firepower. Once NZ got going he tried too much. Add in some farcical fielding by SA with easy missed run outs, fielders running into each other under high balls, Steyn struggling with fitness and some absolute poo bowling. That was from their 4 genuine bowlers too. Tahir did a nice job, but the seamers were definitely poor. Steyn bowling rat power half trackers was sad. Then when you're relying on Duminy and De Villiers for a full bowling allocation, the rain delay too seemed to hurt SA and suddenly a lot went against SA. Mostly their own doing though. Also think the final being in AUS will be another factor against NZ. I think whoever wins the other game will have a lot to feel good about.


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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:34 am

I wonder how close to the fence they put the boundary out at the MCG if Australia knock off India?
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:34 am

woodublieve12 wrote:I thought maxwells selection was a joke. I even wrote it in my diary "Cricket Australia told a funny joke today"

LOL.

Some interesting comments pre-world cup on this thread.
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Footy Smart » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:14 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:I wonder how close to the fence they put the boundary out at the MCG if Australia knock off India?


IMO NZ winning is good for Australia if we can get the job done over India. NZ developed a bully game thats all dash and bash on their small ovals. Now in a final they may have to play a good side and think twice before they take the fielder on the fence on. Big change in game plan needed for the Kiwis
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:18 am

Footy Smart wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:I wonder how close to the fence they put the boundary out at the MCG if Australia knock off India?


IMO NZ winning is good for Australia if we can get the job done over India. NZ developed a bully game thats all dash and bash on their small ovals. Now in a final they may have to play a good side and think twice before they take the fielder on the fence on. Big change in game plan needed for the Kiwis

On the same token, I think the Saffers played all of their preliminary games in NZ too.
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Re: World Cup 2015

Postby Footy Smart » Wed Mar 25, 2015 9:37 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Footy Smart wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:I wonder how close to the fence they put the boundary out at the MCG if Australia knock off India?


IMO NZ winning is good for Australia if we can get the job done over India. NZ developed a bully game thats all dash and bash on their small ovals. Now in a final they may have to play a good side and think twice before they take the fielder on the fence on. Big change in game plan needed for the Kiwis

On the same token, I think the Saffers played all of their preliminary games in NZ too.


Yeah but apart AB, they played reasonably 'conventional', NZ appeared to play to the conditions and took the game to a new level. Im not sure they can do that in Australia. I didnt see every game though, just quick observation from what i did see.
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