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Trader wrote:Interesting to hear AHOS are folding.

Rumour or confirmed? They had their season presentation evening last Friday night.....
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Announced Friday night.
A release is on their Facebook page, I think.

Special general meeting on June 17 at Prince Albert Hotel.
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Dogwatcher wrote:Announced Friday night.
A release is on their Facebook page, I think.

Special general meeting on June 17 at Prince Albert Hotel.

Yep straight to distributing the assets, no recess. Weren't they in A1 3 or 4 years ago?
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I'm stunned. When we first came into turf in 07-08 they were a great club. Went pear shaped pretty quick?
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I'm stunned too, won the 08/09 A1 flag, 02/03 A2 flag among others, surprising too as they fielded 3 teams this year even though struggled on field.
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Had a good coach for quite a few years (Scott Jones) and a guy who organised them off-field (Paul Volkov) but I believe once those guys have moved on it's slowly fallen over
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Tony Clifton wrote:Had a good coach for quite a few years (Scott Jones) and a guy who organised them off-field (Paul Volkov) but I believe once those guys have moved on it's slowly fallen over


Having played under Scott, he is a very good organiser of men. Things may have creeped in when he took over at West Torrens for those few years. When blokes don't pay subs, it's always going to be tough to survive.
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Tony Clifton wrote:Had a good coach for quite a few years (Scott Jones) and a guy who organised them off-field (Paul Volkov) but I believe once those guys have moved on it's slowly fallen over


Spent 14 years of my life playing for this club and am devastated by this. Came down to a lot of us older blokes who had done stuff for many years and run the club not being able to any more for various reasons and typical of the younger generation not many people interested enough to continue and run it the way a club should be run. I didn't play there last season but has been a few seasons in the making. Members still need to vote on it at the meeting I believe but cant see it surviving if not enough are willing to put in to run it. Scott Jones and Matthew Loveder have been trying their best to get more involved but just hasn't happened. Too many just want to play for a club and don't want responsibility of running the club they play for. As I said typical of younger generations.

Numerous other things have contributed too with Adelaide High being a cricket school, most of the juniors played for district sides and many after making friends there stayed there so we didn't have new blood coming through. Didn't pay players either (couldn't afford to) and don't know if that helped or hindered, although I am always of the view paying players for amateur cricket is a joke.

Also after the last B grade flag which was a side made of mainly veterans and not much youth, many of these guys retired directly after that flag leaving a large talent gap thus the clubs recent struggles.

Getting sponsors either was not easy, not affiliated with any community really and relied on members such as myself to sponsor to keep the club afloat even if there was little commercial benefit from such things.

All these things add up but again very sad state of affairs losing the club I gave plenty for, emotionally, financially and as a player, treasurer and committee member in the past and am very sad that this is going to occur.
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Sad to see but it's the way of public old scholars community. Most of the Football clubs are gone...
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heater31 wrote:Sad to see but it's the way of public old scholars community. Most of the Football clubs are gone...

It's extremely sad, but I think it's the way of a lot of community sporting organisations are headed with interest from the younger generation diminishing. :(
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I don't know why "old scholars" clubs don't run their own junior teams.

For instance why couldn't kids play for AHOS on Sundays in the junior competitions? They've got brilliant facilities. All the colleges the same and their ovals don't get used on Sundays.

In yesteryear when all these clubs were formed the kids would play for the school as juniors and then once they finished Year 12 they would play for the old scholars team. There was very little club junior cricket. 20 years ago the Sunday morning U13's, U11's, U9's didn't exist. Those competitions are quite big now so the kids have a home club that they have an affinity to.
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Had a brilliant day playing aginst their fifths (I think it was) in 2007, their "brothers" side with Wanagneen, Bond, J Johncock, R Nasir and few other indigenous boys.

Funny day, we got pogo-ed well and truly., Played on the old railway oval there on West Tce. Balls getting smashed into Joppies almost.

The sledging was worst betweeen themselves. Funny!
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Tony Clifton wrote:I don't know why "old scholars" clubs don't run their own junior teams.

For instance why couldn't kids play for AHOS on Sundays in the junior competitions? They've got brilliant facilities. All the colleges the same and their ovals don't get used on Sundays.

In yesteryear when all these clubs were formed the kids would play for the school as juniors and then once they finished Year 12 they would play for the old scholars team. There was very little club junior cricket. 20 years ago the Sunday morning U13's, U11's, U9's didn't exist. Those competitions are quite big now so the kids have a home club that they have an affinity to.

Lots of reasons TC as RW has already touched on a few.
Throw in these as well.
1) No clubrooms to socialise.
2) Less kids playing the game.
3) Current community and district clubs work very hard on getting juniors as that is their lifeline both financially and player stock wise.
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rainbow warrior wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:Had a good coach for quite a few years (Scott Jones) and a guy who organised them off-field (Paul Volkov) but I believe once those guys have moved on it's slowly fallen over


Spent 14 years of my life playing for this club and am devastated by this. Came down to a lot of us older blokes who had done stuff for many years and run the club not being able to any more for various reasons and typical of the younger generation not many people interested enough to continue and run it the way a club should be run. I didn't play there last season but has been a few seasons in the making. Members still need to vote on it at the meeting I believe but cant see it surviving if not enough are willing to put in to run it. Scott Jones and Matthew Loveder have been trying their best to get more involved but just hasn't happened. Too many just want to play for a club and don't want responsibility of running the club they play for. As I said typical of younger generations.

Numerous other things have contributed too with Adelaide High being a cricket school, most of the juniors played for district sides and many after making friends there stayed there so we didn't have new blood coming through. Didn't pay players either (couldn't afford to) and don't know if that helped or hindered, although I am always of the view paying players for amateur cricket is a joke.

Also after the last B grade flag which was a side made of mainly veterans and not much youth, many of these guys retired directly after that flag leaving a large talent gap thus the clubs recent struggles.

Getting sponsors either was not easy, not affiliated with any community really and relied on members such as myself to sponsor to keep the club afloat even if there was little commercial benefit from such things.

All these things add up but again very sad state of affairs losing the club I gave plenty for, emotionally, financially and as a player, treasurer and committee member in the past and am very sad that this is going to occur.

Sad to hear RW.
Was much more enjoyable at the non strikers end with Mitchell and the new rock in his hand.
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Computer Crashed wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:I don't know why "old scholars" clubs don't run their own junior teams.

For instance why couldn't kids play for AHOS on Sundays in the junior competitions? They've got brilliant facilities. All the colleges the same and their ovals don't get used on Sundays.

In yesteryear when all these clubs were formed the kids would play for the school as juniors and then once they finished Year 12 they would play for the old scholars team. There was very little club junior cricket. 20 years ago the Sunday morning U13's, U11's, U9's didn't exist. Those competitions are quite big now so the kids have a home club that they have an affinity to.

Lots of reasons TC as RW has already touched on a few.
Throw in these as well.
1) No clubrooms to socialise.
2) Less kids playing the game.
3) Current community and district clubs work very hard on getting juniors as that is their lifeline both financially and player stock wise.

Yeah I don't think any of those are reasons not to do it.

Lots of junior games are played at ovals without clubrooms. The Eastern Dragons don't have clubrooms and have about 9 junior teams. Sprang up out of nothing.

There aren't less kids playing the game in metro areas. In fact the opposite. Some are struggling but most metro junior competitions are growing.

Yes the grade and community clubs work hard but there's no reason the old scholars clubs can't do the same. All have good facilities plus a school full of kids on their doorstep.

University Cricket Club in Tasmania runs its own junior teams (very well). Just because clubs haven't run junior teams in the past is no reason they can't in the future. It's just something different.
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rainbow warrior wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:Had a good coach for quite a few years (Scott Jones) and a guy who organised them off-field (Paul Volkov) but I believe once those guys have moved on it's slowly fallen over


Spent 14 years of my life playing for this club and am devastated by this. Came down to a lot of us older blokes who had done stuff for many years and run the club not being able to any more for various reasons and typical of the younger generation not many people interested enough to continue and run it the way a club should be run. I didn't play there last season but has been a few seasons in the making. Members still need to vote on it at the meeting I believe but cant see it surviving if not enough are willing to put in to run it. Scott Jones and Matthew Loveder have been trying their best to get more involved but just hasn't happened. Too many just want to play for a club and don't want responsibility of running the club they play for. As I said typical of younger generations.

Numerous other things have contributed too with Adelaide High being a cricket school, most of the juniors played for district sides and many after making friends there stayed there so we didn't have new blood coming through. Didn't pay players either (couldn't afford to) and don't know if that helped or hindered, although I am always of the view paying players for amateur cricket is a joke.

Also after the last B grade flag which was a side made of mainly veterans and not much youth, many of these guys retired directly after that flag leaving a large talent gap thus the clubs recent struggles.

Getting sponsors either was not easy, not affiliated with any community really and relied on members such as myself to sponsor to keep the club afloat even if there was little commercial benefit from such things.

All these things add up but again very sad state of affairs losing the club I gave plenty for, emotionally, financially and as a player, treasurer and committee member in the past and am very sad that this is going to occur.

Sad to hear RW.
Was much more enjoyable at the non strikers end with Mitchell and the new rock in his hand.


Hopefully I wasn't making it easier for you at the end!!!!!! :D
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rainbow warrior wrote::shock:
Computer Crashed wrote:
rainbow warrior wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:Had a good coach for quite a few years (Scott Jones) and a guy who organised them off-field (Paul Volkov) but I believe once those guys have moved on it's slowly fallen over


Spent 14 years of my life playing for this club and am devastated by this. Came down to a lot of us older blokes who had done stuff for many years and run the club not being able to any more for various reasons and typical of the younger generation not many people interested enough to continue and run it the way a club should be run. I didn't play there last season but has been a few seasons in the making. Members still need to vote on it at the meeting I believe but cant see it surviving if not enough are willing to put in to run it. Scott Jones and Matthew Loveder have been trying their best to get more involved but just hasn't happened. Too many just want to play for a club and don't want responsibility of running the club they play for. As I said typical of younger generations.

Numerous other things have contributed too with Adelaide High being a cricket school, most of the juniors played for district sides and many after making friends there stayed there so we didn't have new blood coming through. Didn't pay players either (couldn't afford to) and don't know if that helped or hindered, although I am always of the view paying players for amateur cricket is a joke.

Also after the last B grade flag which was a side made of mainly veterans and not much youth, many of these guys retired directly after that flag leaving a large talent gap thus the clubs recent struggles.

Getting sponsors either was not easy, not affiliated with any community really and relied on members such as myself to sponsor to keep the club afloat even if there was little commercial benefit from such things.

All these things add up but again very sad state of affairs losing the club I gave plenty for, emotionally, financially and as a player, treasurer and committee member in the past and am very sad that this is going to occur.

Sad to hear RW.
Was much more enjoyable at the non strikers end with Mitchell and the new rock in his hand.


Hopefully I wasn't making it easier for you at the end!!!!!! :D

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Tony Clifton wrote:
Computer Crashed wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:I don't know why "old scholars" clubs don't run their own junior teams.

For instance why couldn't kids play for AHOS on Sundays in the junior competitions? They've got brilliant facilities. All the colleges the same and their ovals don't get used on Sundays.

In yesteryear when all these clubs were formed the kids would play for the school as juniors and then once they finished Year 12 they would play for the old scholars team. There was very little club junior cricket. 20 years ago the Sunday morning U13's, U11's, U9's didn't exist. Those competitions are quite big now so the kids have a home club that they have an affinity to.

Lots of reasons TC as RW has already touched on a few.
Throw in these as well.
1) No clubrooms to socialise.
2) Less kids playing the game.
3) Current community and district clubs work very hard on getting juniors as that is their lifeline both financially and player stock wise.

Yeah I don't think any of those are reasons not to do it.

Lots of junior games are played at ovals without clubrooms. The Eastern Dragons don't have clubrooms and have about 9 junior teams. Sprang up out of nothing.

There aren't less kids playing the game in metro areas. In fact the opposite. Some are struggling but most metro junior competitions are growing.

Yes the grade and community clubs work hard but there's no reason the old scholars clubs can't do the same. All have good facilities plus a school full of kids on their doorstep.

University Cricket Club in Tasmania runs its own junior teams (very well). Just because clubs haven't run junior teams in the past is no reason they can't in the future. It's just something different.

Eastern Dragons are an exception.
Their organisation was hatched by some very intelligent and dedicated people.
In part their club was formed due to Paynehams cricket department being at its maximum and not too many other clubs being based East of the city.
Payneham had ran out of ovals to use as well as the logistics of having too many sides being a burden.
Kids were missing out on games so NEMJCA and other parties had the new club set up.
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Tony Clifton wrote:I don't know why "old scholars" clubs don't run their own junior teams.

For instance why couldn't kids play for AHOS on Sundays in the junior competitions? They've got brilliant facilities. All the colleges the same and their ovals don't get used on Sundays.

In yesteryear when all these clubs were formed the kids would play for the school as juniors and then once they finished Year 12 they would play for the old scholars team. There was very little club junior cricket. 20 years ago the Sunday morning U13's, U11's, U9's didn't exist. Those competitions are quite big now so the kids have a home club that they have an affinity to.


AHOS put this as an option to the school, they had little, if any interest sadly.
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Shark_Hunter wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:I don't know why "old scholars" clubs don't run their own junior teams.

For instance why couldn't kids play for AHOS on Sundays in the junior competitions? They've got brilliant facilities. All the colleges the same and their ovals don't get used on Sundays.

In yesteryear when all these clubs were formed the kids would play for the school as juniors and then once they finished Year 12 they would play for the old scholars team. There was very little club junior cricket. 20 years ago the Sunday morning U13's, U11's, U9's didn't exist. Those competitions are quite big now so the kids have a home club that they have an affinity to.


AHOS put this as an option to the school, they had little, if any interest sadly.

Why would it have anything to do with the school? They wouldn't have to do anything. It's no extra pitches. Could even charge for the use of the ovals to help covers costs of preparing them for their Saturday morning school games.

I know Pulteney Old Scholars dropped the "old scholars" part of their name a couple of years ago and were trying to get junior teams up and running. Became Pulteney Football Club. There was no issue from the school with them doing this.

Admittedly I don't think they got any teams off the ground though.
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