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Postby CENTURION » Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:36 pm

Is it compulsory that there is a club doctor in attendance at every SANFL match?
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby Bounce of the ball » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:03 pm

Why do you ask ?
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby CENTURION » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:11 pm

Two Dogs .........
Because injuries are happening at games & there aren't adequate numbers of doctors in attendance, this WILL lead to something serious.
The Eagles V Centrals game at Woodville had NO doctor in attendance!!
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby Footy Chick » Mon Aug 03, 2015 10:18 pm

I don't think it's compulsory but most just do. Trainers can do most things and refer if it's really bad anyway.

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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby heater31 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:30 am

Most club doctors don't begin 'work' until after half time of the 2's. Especially on a Saturday as they would still have their normal practice duties to attend to first. Think some club's have 2 or more on a roster basis to give them time off.
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby Wedgie » Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:36 am

Plenty of rocket surgeons attend SANFL games if that helps.
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby cennals05 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:14 am

Centrals don't have a club Doctor at the moment, which has caused some issues. I think Corey Reichert had to go to a clinic during the reserves game at Norwood to get a dislocated finger put back in. He came back and came back on in the second half. Then on Saturday Jarrod Schiller sustained a nasty cut to his head and the Port doctor refused to help. He also had to find a clinic to get fixed up.

Thank you to the North Doctor earlier in the year that had absolutely no problem helping when Barmby was badly concussed.
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby TimmiesChin » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:48 am

cennals05 wrote:Centrals don't have a club Doctor at the moment, which has caused some issues. I think Corey Reichert had to go to a clinic during the reserves game at Norwood to get a dislocated finger put back in. He came back and came back on in the second half. Then on Saturday Jarrod Schiller sustained a nasty cut to his head and the Port doctor refused to help. He also had to find a clinic to get fixed up. .


Obviously the best thing to do would be for Centrals to get themselves a club doctor and not rely on others, but you would think/hope if there was anything serious the opposition club doctor would help. I wouldn't expect much for a cut though.
Perhaps Jarrod could have grabbed his wallet and pulled out his power membership - may have been enough to get him patched up.
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby Dogwatcher » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:56 am

TimmiesChin wrote:
cennals05 wrote:Centrals don't have a club Doctor at the moment, which has caused some issues. I think Corey Reichert had to go to a clinic during the reserves game at Norwood to get a dislocated finger put back in. He came back and came back on in the second half. Then on Saturday Jarrod Schiller sustained a nasty cut to his head and the Port doctor refused to help. He also had to find a clinic to get fixed up. .


Obviously the best thing to do would be for Centrals to get themselves a club doctor and not rely on others, but you would think/hope if there was anything serious the opposition club doctor would help. I wouldn't expect much for a cut though.
Perhaps Jarrod could have grabbed his wallet and pulled out his power membership - may have been enough to get him patched up.


Thanks for the advice. Highly qualified, I'm sure. You'd assume the club has been trying damn hard to get a club doctor and hasn't been able to find someone with the time to commit. Unfortunate. Possibly a sign of the times?
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby TimmiesChin » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:58 am

Dogwatcher wrote:
TimmiesChin wrote:Thanks for the advice. Highly qualified, I'm sure. You'd assume the club has been trying damn hard to get a club doctor and hasn't been able to find someone with the time to commit. Unfortunate. Possibly a sign of the times?


What part do you actually disagree with ?
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby cennals05 » Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:59 am

Dogwatcher wrote:
TimmiesChin wrote:
cennals05 wrote:Centrals don't have a club Doctor at the moment, which has caused some issues. I think Corey Reichert had to go to a clinic during the reserves game at Norwood to get a dislocated finger put back in. He came back and came back on in the second half. Then on Saturday Jarrod Schiller sustained a nasty cut to his head and the Port doctor refused to help. He also had to find a clinic to get fixed up. .


Obviously the best thing to do would be for Centrals to get themselves a club doctor and not rely on others, but you would think/hope if there was anything serious the opposition club doctor would help. I wouldn't expect much for a cut though.
Perhaps Jarrod could have grabbed his wallet and pulled out his power membership - may have been enough to get him patched up.


Thanks for the advice. Highly qualified, I'm sure. You'd assume the club has been trying damn hard to get a club doctor and hasn't been able to find someone with the time to commit. Unfortunate. Possibly a sign of the times?

Yep, the club have been trying all year to find a Doctor with no luck.
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby TimmiesChin » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:00 am

cennals05 wrote:Yep, the club have been trying all year to find a Doctor with no luck.


That's unfortunate, and hopefully it can be sorted out.
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby Dogwatcher » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:00 am

TimmiesChin wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:
TimmiesChin wrote:Thanks for the advice. Highly qualified, I'm sure. You'd assume the club has been trying damn hard to get a club doctor and hasn't been able to find someone with the time to commit. Unfortunate. Possibly a sign of the times?


What part do you actually disagree with ?


I don't disagree with any of it. But your response reeks of arrogance and sarcasm, as well as a large amount of obviousness.
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby knowledge » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:39 am

Post AFC/PAFC it has been extremely difficult to find Doctors to assist at SANFL clubs. When I first started at Sturt in 1980, when training was only 2 nights per week and match day, there was a Doctor and a Physiotherapist present at every session. Now, there is no Doctor during the week (this may be different at other clubs) but we do have a Physiotherapist at two training sessions. If the players need to see a Doctor, we receive priority service from SPORTSMED.SA during the week, so, it just means that players need to adjust their schedule during the day (like most of us) instead of having a Doctor provided at training. I wouldn't complain about this service, as our main GP often sees our players during his lunch break or at the end of his consulting list - the man is a champion, albeit a glutton for punishment!

It is a big commitment and unfortunately at our level of sport everything occurs out of hours. In saying that we receive outstanding service from a panel of Doctors/Specialists so that league matches have a Doctor in attendance. Our Doctors have not/would not refuse treatment to an opposition player if it was requested by the opposition club. I do believe, however, that there is a $400 fee (SANFL imposed) if an opposition player is treated by the opposing club doctor.

I would say that all clubs have at least one very experienced trainer. I am supported by a training staff that includes 3 registered physiotherapists who also work as trainers, also a final year medical student and several other physiotherapy students of different year levels. I know that WWT have an experienced HT and also an experienced paramedic. Centrals have an experienced HT. Yes, I've had to deal with dislocated joints (shoulders and fingers) without medical support in the first half of the reserves and other medical emergencies - punctured lungs, etc.
What worries me is where the clubs will find themselves when the current crop of Head Trainer's retire? The days of SANFL clubs having training staff and Head Trainers of long service are coming to an end.
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby TimmiesChin » Tue Aug 04, 2015 10:45 am

knowledge wrote:What worries me is where the clubs will find themselves when the current crop of Head Trainer's retire? The days of SANFL clubs having training staff and Head Trainers of long service are coming to an end.


I think you make a great point here - and not just at SANFL level, but especially at lower levels where the culture of voluntary (or peppercorn) work that used to be present seems to be slowly dying away.
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby knowledge » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:05 am

TimmiesChin wrote:
knowledge wrote:What worries me is where the clubs will find themselves when the current crop of Head Trainer's retire? The days of SANFL clubs having training staff and Head Trainers of long service are coming to an end.


I think you make a great point here - and not just at SANFL level, but especially at lower levels where the culture of voluntary (or peppercorn) work that used to be present seems to be slowly dying away.


Agreed. I'd walk over hot coals for Sturt and it's players. There is such a high reliance on physio students, nowadays, to supplement the training staff. They're gone as soon as their degrees are finished. Some stay for a while, but, in general there is a high turnover. I remember when I first started there were fourteen trainers and they'd all been there for 10 years plus - so much experience!
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby Dogwatcher » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:13 am

I wonder if it will soon become a case of the home side having to provide a doctor to support both sides.
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby am Bays » Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:28 am

knowledge wrote:
TimmiesChin wrote:
knowledge wrote:What worries me is where the clubs will find themselves when the current crop of Head Trainer's retire? The days of SANFL clubs having training staff and Head Trainers of long service are coming to an end.


I think you make a great point here - and not just at SANFL level, but especially at lower levels where the culture of voluntary (or peppercorn) work that used to be present seems to be slowly dying away.


Agreed. I'd walk over hot coals for Sturt and it's players. There is such a high reliance on physio students, nowadays, to supplement the training staff. They're gone as soon as their degrees are finished. Some stay for a while, but, in general there is a high turnover. I remember when I first started there were fourteen trainers and they'd all been there for 10 years plus - so much experience!


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When I started at the Bays in 1990 most in the league training squad had been doing it for at least 10 years. I think the elast experinced one was 5 years) and they had plenty about 12. Junior head trainer had been doing it for 10 years along with his side kick ( who still helps out with juniors). We also had three Drs who rotated each weekend between home junior games and two at each league game.

Despite studying Sports Science and with my trainers quals I had to wait four years before I could graduate to the league squad. In the old days you ahd to earn your stripes.....

With all clubs looking for volunteers anyone who wants to help out is automatically with the league and reserves.

Got to say it's always good to catch up with SANFL legends like Knowledge everytime the Bays play Sturt.
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby knowledge » Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:20 pm

am Bays wrote:
knowledge wrote:
TimmiesChin wrote:
knowledge wrote:What worries me is where the clubs will find themselves when the current crop of Head Trainer's retire? The days of SANFL clubs having training staff and Head Trainers of long service are coming to an end.


I think you make a great point here - and not just at SANFL level, but especially at lower levels where the culture of voluntary (or peppercorn) work that used to be present seems to be slowly dying away.


Agreed. I'd walk over hot coals for Sturt and it's players. There is such a high reliance on physio students, nowadays, to supplement the training staff. They're gone as soon as their degrees are finished. Some stay for a while, but, in general there is a high turnover. I remember when I first started there were fourteen trainers and they'd all been there for 10 years plus - so much experience!


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When I started at the Bays in 1990 most in the league training squad had been doing it for at least 10 years. I think the elast experinced one was 5 years) and they had plenty about 12. Junior head trainer had been doing it for 10 years along with his side kick ( who still helps out with juniors). We also had three Drs who rotated each weekend between home junior games and two at each league game.

Despite studying Sports Science and with my trainers quals I had to wait four years before I could graduate to the league squad. In the old days you ahd to earn your stripes.....

With all clubs looking for volunteers anyone who wants to help out is automatically with the league and reserves.

Got to say it's always good to catch up with SANFL legends like Knowledge everytime the Bays play Sturt.


Likewise. My personal view is that I don't think that some clubs understand their duty of care responsibilities nor the H.T's role, thinking they can just shake a magical "trainer tree" and hordes will fall from it! Not the case, nowadays. Experience and knowledge in a H.T's position doesn't happen overnight. It's gained over time. And, heck! I'm still learning. The problem is, when something injury wise occurs and you're it - particularly in the first 1/2 of the reserves, the weight of expectation from others kicks in. You're expected (by players and coaches) to be able to deal with dislocated fingers, shoulders and a pneumo-thorax (punctured lung) right now, because, you're the Head Trainer. There are times during the week and at games that I get heartily sick of the sound of my name!
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Re: Doctors attending SANFL matches

Postby teaoby » Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:33 pm

I found it interesting that the Crows SANFL team didn't have a Dr there on Saturday Vs Norwood.
At one stage The Norwood Dr and trainers were helping Keenan Ramsey who had gone down with a knee, while Jake Kelly came of with a dislocated finger, running around the bench trying to get anyone and everyone to put it back in (really silly idea!) when finally the Norwood Dr had helped to get Ramsey off of the field he came to the Bench and saw to Kelly!
You would like to think that a fully Professional club would cover these sort of things!
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