by Lightning McQueen » Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:43 am
by Corona Man » Fri Aug 07, 2015 11:45 am
Booney wrote:If your bat movement goes from mid-wicket to gully you aren't going to have much success other than providing the slips with catching practice.
What happened to playing the "v" early in an innings?
The most disappointing shot was Clarkes. 5/29 and an out of form skipper chases a full wide one and "nick"....it was a stinker of a shot and the sign of a man not comfortable at the crease at all. His half pull a few balls before further evidence he simply isn't picking it up out of the hand.
Burns, Head, Abott and Coulter-Nile need a look in before too long.
by RB » Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:12 pm
by Dogwatcher » Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:38 pm
by Jim05 » Fri Aug 07, 2015 12:42 pm
RB wrote:Given the circumstances, Clarke's dismissal was possibly the worst from a specialist batsman in the history of test cricket.
by bennymacca » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:22 pm
Corona Man wrote:^ makes for some very sad reading. I hope the selectors are aware of all these stats, and while it is unrealistic to make wholesale changes now, clearly we need to get the broom out. Have to agree with Bumble, if Siddle doesn't get a game on that pitch, he is never going to get a game. Personally I don't think we can play Johnson & Starc in the same team, they are too similar, so no variety there. Our batters were found out in the conditions. I am a firm believer that you best batter, bats at 4..... S. Marsh is NOT our best batter. Other than last night Rogers has been the rock, now he is almost on the eve of his last test match, so where to from here at the top of the order??
by Dogwatcher » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:40 pm
by bennymacca » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:44 pm
Dogwatcher wrote:I'm not sure anyone underestimated Harris.
As soon as he was unavailable for the series, I think most of us knew the attack was going to be sorely tested.
We can afford one bowler out of the two Mitchs, not two. I wonder how much better Hazlewood would be if the bowling up the other end was tighter. It's hard work for him at the moment - the pressure's off the Poms, they don't have to sit on him as the valve is released by Mitch and Mitch.
by Corona Man » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:48 pm
bennymacca wrote:Corona Man wrote:^ makes for some very sad reading. I hope the selectors are aware of all these stats, and while it is unrealistic to make wholesale changes now, clearly we need to get the broom out. Have to agree with Bumble, if Siddle doesn't get a game on that pitch, he is never going to get a game. Personally I don't think we can play Johnson & Starc in the same team, they are too similar, so no variety there. Our batters were found out in the conditions. I am a firm believer that you best batter, bats at 4..... S. Marsh is NOT our best batter. Other than last night Rogers has been the rock, now he is almost on the eve of his last test match, so where to from here at the top of the order??
I think the biggest worry is not the lack of variety between Starc and Johnson but more the fact that they leak runs so you can't have them bowling together.
Hazelwood has been disappointing this series too, none of them can keep the pressure on, and I think most of us underestimated the value of harris and even Siddle for doing that for us.
by FlyingHigh » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:52 pm
bennymacca wrote:Corona Man wrote:^ makes for some very sad reading. I hope the selectors are aware of all these stats, and while it is unrealistic to make wholesale changes now, clearly we need to get the broom out. Have to agree with Bumble, if Siddle doesn't get a game on that pitch, he is never going to get a game. Personally I don't think we can play Johnson & Starc in the same team, they are too similar, so no variety there. Our batters were found out in the conditions. I am a firm believer that you best batter, bats at 4..... S. Marsh is NOT our best batter. Other than last night Rogers has been the rock, now he is almost on the eve of his last test match, so where to from here at the top of the order??
I think the biggest worry is not the lack of variety between Starc and Johnson but more the fact that they leak runs so you can't have them bowling together.
Hazelwood has been disappointing this series too, none of them can keep the pressure on, and I think most of us underestimated the value of harris and even Siddle for doing that for us.
by Dogwatcher » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:56 pm
Corona Man wrote:bennymacca wrote:Corona Man wrote:^ makes for some very sad reading. I hope the selectors are aware of all these stats, and while it is unrealistic to make wholesale changes now, clearly we need to get the broom out. Have to agree with Bumble, if Siddle doesn't get a game on that pitch, he is never going to get a game. Personally I don't think we can play Johnson & Starc in the same team, they are too similar, so no variety there. Our batters were found out in the conditions. I am a firm believer that you best batter, bats at 4..... S. Marsh is NOT our best batter. Other than last night Rogers has been the rock, now he is almost on the eve of his last test match, so where to from here at the top of the order??
I think the biggest worry is not the lack of variety between Starc and Johnson but more the fact that they leak runs so you can't have them bowling together.
Hazelwood has been disappointing this series too, none of them can keep the pressure on, and I think most of us underestimated the value of harris and even Siddle for doing that for us.
I agree with you on Starc/Johnson, yes they both leak runs, for the same reason.... they are trying to produce wicket taking balls every delivery...so in that sense they don't have variety. The loss of Ryan Harris has now become oh so apparent. Siddle is unlikely to run through any team, but he will keep the runs in check, and he always gives you 100%. I'm predicting a CA review into the series when they get back home....much like last time we played over there.... for me time to move a few blokes on, and time to bring a few blokes up. I would like to see Smith bat at 4, and build the team around him in a sense. Warner stays, but needs a new opening partner, and we need a rock solid #3.... it's too late for Max Klinger, but that type of player.. Smith 4, Clarke 5, Head or Burns 6, Neville 7, Johnson 8, Coulter-Nile 9, Hazelwood/Siddle 10, Lyon 11....I'm sure there are a few other candidates out there, but it's time for Watson, Haddin & Rogers (though I want him to stay) to go... M.Marsh needs to either hold his spot as a batter or a bowler & the other string is a bonus. S. Marsh perhaps 3 season of 1,000+ domestic runs (like a few others had to produce) before he gets a look in.
by Corona Man » Fri Aug 07, 2015 1:58 pm
Dogwatcher wrote:Corona Man wrote:bennymacca wrote:Corona Man wrote:^ makes for some very sad reading. I hope the selectors are aware of all these stats, and while it is unrealistic to make wholesale changes now, clearly we need to get the broom out. Have to agree with Bumble, if Siddle doesn't get a game on that pitch, he is never going to get a game. Personally I don't think we can play Johnson & Starc in the same team, they are too similar, so no variety there. Our batters were found out in the conditions. I am a firm believer that you best batter, bats at 4..... S. Marsh is NOT our best batter. Other than last night Rogers has been the rock, now he is almost on the eve of his last test match, so where to from here at the top of the order??
I think the biggest worry is not the lack of variety between Starc and Johnson but more the fact that they leak runs so you can't have them bowling together.
Hazelwood has been disappointing this series too, none of them can keep the pressure on, and I think most of us underestimated the value of harris and even Siddle for doing that for us.
I agree with you on Starc/Johnson, yes they both leak runs, for the same reason.... they are trying to produce wicket taking balls every delivery...so in that sense they don't have variety. The loss of Ryan Harris has now become oh so apparent. Siddle is unlikely to run through any team, but he will keep the runs in check, and he always gives you 100%. I'm predicting a CA review into the series when they get back home....much like last time we played over there.... for me time to move a few blokes on, and time to bring a few blokes up. I would like to see Smith bat at 4, and build the team around him in a sense. Warner stays, but needs a new opening partner, and we need a rock solid #3.... it's too late for Max Klinger, but that type of player.. Smith 4, Clarke 5, Head or Burns 6, Neville 7, Johnson 8, Coulter-Nile 9, Hazelwood/Siddle 10, Lyon 11....I'm sure there are a few other candidates out there, but it's time for Watson, Haddin & Rogers (though I want him to stay) to go... M.Marsh needs to either hold his spot as a batter or a bowler & the other string is a bonus. S. Marsh perhaps 3 season of 1,000+ domestic runs (like a few others had to produce) before he gets a look in.
By that theory on S. Marsh, his career's over. Three more seasons, he'll be 35. Scary to think how little he's done with his talent.
by Booney » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:31 pm
Dogwatcher wrote:By that theory on S. Marsh, his career's over. Three more seasons, he'll be 35. Scary to think how little he's done with his talent.
by Dogwatcher » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:35 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:38 pm
Booney wrote:Dogwatcher wrote:By that theory on S. Marsh, his career's over. Three more seasons, he'll be 35. Scary to think how little he's done with his talent.
Talent, really?
I disagree.
Tests 14 Avg 35.79
ODI 46 @ 39.81
1st Class 108 matches @39.18
Not really smacking them around, is he?
by Booney » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:45 pm
Dogwatcher wrote:Isn't an average like that, at Test and first class level, doing "little with his talent"?
by RB » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:50 pm
by Corona Man » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:50 pm
Booney wrote:Dogwatcher wrote:Isn't an average like that, at Test and first class level, doing "little with his talent"?
I think he's done about right, "with his talent".....I don't think he's much chop at all. Lots of nick, not much chop.
So you think he should be a 45+ Avg but is under achieving? I think he's lucky to be where he is.
by RB » Fri Aug 07, 2015 2:55 pm
by Dogwatcher » Fri Aug 07, 2015 3:02 pm
Booney wrote:Dogwatcher wrote:Isn't an average like that, at Test and first class level, doing "little with his talent"?
I think he's done about right, "with his talent".....I don't think he's much chop at all. Lots of nick, not much chop.
So you think he should be a 45+ Avg but is under achieving? I think he's lucky to be where he is.
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