by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:21 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:27 pm
by FlyingHigh » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:35 pm
by Rik E Boy » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:00 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:02 pm
by Dogwatcher » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:02 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:03 pm
Rik E Boy wrote:Modern era and you put the Chappells and Hughes in?
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REB
by Dogwatcher » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:04 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:10 pm
Dogwatcher wrote:Simpson was skipper for about 10 tests during the period you're discussing too, LM.
Came out of retirement at 42 and faced the Poms and Windies.
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:11 pm
Dogwatcher wrote:Yallop and Hughes had very similar issues as captains.
They faced strong personalities in their team and their own personalities grated on their team-mates - much, as it seems Clarke has experienced.
Yallop was captain of a second-string Aussie XI during the WSC schism, while we all know what Hughes faced.
Yallop was an introvert (and not all that clever tactically), while Hughes had a massive ego and early on in his career didn't show enough deference to his elders. He was also perceived as the Golden Boy of Australian cricket (like Clarke).
Very definitely, this pair can remain at the bottom of the table in this conversation.
by Q. » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:18 pm
by valleys07 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:26 pm
by RB » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:54 pm
by JK » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:58 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:11 pm
JK wrote:Steve Waugh for me, for much the same reasons as LM mentioned. Tough call though, because they all had their strengths and often in different area's. I think AB probably re-ignited our culture (which was a strong point through successful periods to follow) by showing a bunch of kids how to not back down, and he lead by example brilliantly.
by Dogwatcher » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:17 pm
Lightning McQueen wrote:Dogwatcher wrote:Yallop and Hughes had very similar issues as captains.
They faced strong personalities in their team and their own personalities grated on their team-mates - much, as it seems Clarke has experienced.
Yallop was captain of a second-string Aussie XI during the WSC schism, while we all know what Hughes faced.
Yallop was an introvert (and not all that clever tactically), while Hughes had a massive ego and early on in his career didn't show enough deference to his elders. He was also perceived as the Golden Boy of Australian cricket (like Clarke).
Very definitely, this pair can remain at the bottom of the table in this conversation.
I wasn't even going to include Kim Hughes as I knew he wouldn't get a vote, plus he cried at a time when men weren't allowed to cry in public.
by FlyingHigh » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:22 pm
Lightning McQueen wrote:I didn't rate Tubby, take out his 334* and it was slim pickings for a prolonged period of time, I thought he stayed on too long.
Furthermore, it was an era where the test and ODI team were basically the same thing, I thought he batted far too slow in the shorter format and it frustrated me as an avid cricket lover in my late teens. I felt that he could've excluded himself from the ODI side.
by JK » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:25 pm
Dogwatcher wrote:Lightning McQueen wrote:Dogwatcher wrote:Yallop and Hughes had very similar issues as captains.
They faced strong personalities in their team and their own personalities grated on their team-mates - much, as it seems Clarke has experienced.
Yallop was captain of a second-string Aussie XI during the WSC schism, while we all know what Hughes faced.
Yallop was an introvert (and not all that clever tactically), while Hughes had a massive ego and early on in his career didn't show enough deference to his elders. He was also perceived as the Golden Boy of Australian cricket (like Clarke).
Very definitely, this pair can remain at the bottom of the table in this conversation.
I wasn't even going to include Kim Hughes as I knew he wouldn't get a vote, plus he cried at a time when men weren't allowed to cry in public.
Funny, isn't it...
Hughes cried, he was a joke.
Bob Hawke cried, people loved him for it.
That tells you a lot about Bob Hawke's popularity.
by Dogwatcher » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:29 pm
JK wrote:Dogwatcher wrote:Lightning McQueen wrote:Dogwatcher wrote:Yallop and Hughes had very similar issues as captains.
They faced strong personalities in their team and their own personalities grated on their team-mates - much, as it seems Clarke has experienced.
Yallop was captain of a second-string Aussie XI during the WSC schism, while we all know what Hughes faced.
Yallop was an introvert (and not all that clever tactically), while Hughes had a massive ego and early on in his career didn't show enough deference to his elders. He was also perceived as the Golden Boy of Australian cricket (like Clarke).
Very definitely, this pair can remain at the bottom of the table in this conversation.
I wasn't even going to include Kim Hughes as I knew he wouldn't get a vote, plus he cried at a time when men weren't allowed to cry in public.
Funny, isn't it...
Hughes cried, he was a joke.
Bob Hawke cried, people loved him for it.
That tells you a lot about Bob Hawke's popularity.
He played the bouncer about as well as Hughes too
by Lightning McQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:42 pm
FlyingHigh wrote:Lightning McQueen wrote:I didn't rate Tubby, take out his 334* and it was slim pickings for a prolonged period of time, I thought he stayed on too long.
Furthermore, it was an era where the test and ODI team were basically the same thing, I thought he batted far too slow in the shorter format and it frustrated me as an avid cricket lover in my late teens. I felt that he could've excluded himself from the ODI side.
I wasn't really considering ODI's, just test captaincy.
Those things you mentioned in your opening post certainly make Waugh a great cricketer, but as a captain was a long way off Taylor IMO.
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