by Wedgie » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:20 pm
Armchair expert wrote:Such a great club are Geelong
by therisingblues » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:32 pm
Wedgie wrote:I think we can safely say crowds won't go down without AFL sides when you look at the crowds we got 3 years ago. Thinking they'd go down is crazy, 300 per game is ludicrous.
by UK Fan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:55 pm
Booney wrote:Matt, let me save you 250+ pages of heartache mate.
The people on here who so vehemently despise the AFL sides entry into the SANFL want a competition that is played on an even playing field, even if that playing field has only 300 people watching it with no fence between the spectators and the players at a local park. They want the integrity restored, they want all sides playing to the line even if it proves to be the demise of the states highest club based competition. At least, they say, it will die with it's head in the air not on it's AFL knees.
Sometimes I think you need to be careful what you wish for.
fester69 wrote: I'm full of "pish and wind" !!You can call me weak !!
MW wrote: Well call me a special asshole!.
Booney wrote: I'm a happy clapper **** stick.
by cracka » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:27 pm
Magellan wrote:matt35 wrote:One common complaint I see on here, for example, is guaranteed coverage of games between the Crows and Port. Doesn't the fact that those games are always covered by channel Seven spell out everything you need to know about what the media would do if those teams were gone?
So what's the difference?matt35 wrote:I loved the SANFL comp that we had in the 80s, with big crowds, replays every Saturday night etc etc. But I live in the real world and the real world is that we live in a town dominated by the AFL. We live in a town where the vast majority of Football supporters follow either the Crows or the Power. We live in a town where many people have been born since 1991 and do not have the connection to the SANFL that many of us have. I actually think it's probably fair to say that this site has a disproportionate number of people participating among it's regular posters who have no interest in either the Crows or Power. But if we are to have a viable competition going forward, it has to be a competition that is relevant to this town in 2016 and beyond. This absolutely means AFL participation, and thankfully the people running the competition have the foresight to see and accept this reality, as do the majority of clubs. Is it perfect? No. Could there be some tinkering? Quite possibly. But is it necessary? Absolutely.
You make it sound like the AFL teams rode in out of the distance like a white knight to save the SANFL, when really it was Brenton Sanderson's (remember him? He was the next prodigal son to deliver success to the Crows who ended up getting sacked in three years) brainchild, and the Crows merely took advantage of a league with clubs some of whom admittedly had a history of financial over-extension to get what they desperately wanted ASAP.
by RB » Wed Aug 31, 2016 7:41 pm
Booney wrote:The people on here who so vehemently despise the AFL sides entry into the SANFL want a competition that is played on an even playing field, even if that playing field has only 300 people watching it with no fence between the spectators and the players at a local park. They want the integrity restored, they want all sides playing to the line even if it proves to be the demise of the states highest club based competition. At least, they say, it will die with it's head in the air not on it's AFL knees.
Sometimes I think you need to be careful what you wish for.
by Magellan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:04 pm
cracka wrote:Bullsh!t. It was talked about long before he coached the crows.
by cracka » Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:05 pm
by Magellan » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:41 pm
by LPH » Wed Aug 31, 2016 10:57 pm
by heater31 » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:03 pm
by cracka » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:25 pm
LPH wrote:Sanderson was the catalyst for the change.
To be fair, other options were being mooted as well - similar to what happened in Perth where West Coast absorbed East Perth, the idea was that the Cows would absorb WWT. I assume the main reason it didn't eventuate is because the competition would still have a Bye Round.
You've gotta love the defenders of the Reserves sides, commenting in an 'anti-thread' & bagging the very posters that post in the thread - interesting.
Is it for healthy debate or just trolling?
Am looking forward to the extra 4K @ the game Saturday - so is Roy Laird, no doubt?
by cracka » Wed Aug 31, 2016 11:30 pm
Magellan wrote:Righto then, so who do you say thought up the reserves concept?
by Magellan » Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:06 am
cracka wrote:Magellan wrote:Righto then, so who do you say thought up the reserves concept?
Well I thought about it when Port entered the AFL in 97.
by cracka » Thu Sep 01, 2016 7:41 am
Magellan wrote:cracka wrote:Magellan wrote:Righto then, so who do you say thought up the reserves concept?
Well I thought about it when Port entered the AFL in 97.
Good-o, but it doesn't answer my question.
by Booney » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:27 am
RB wrote:Booney wrote:The people on here who so vehemently despise the AFL sides entry into the SANFL want a competition that is played on an even playing field, even if that playing field has only 300 people watching it with no fence between the spectators and the players at a local park. They want the integrity restored, they want all sides playing to the line even if it proves to be the demise of the states highest club based competition. At least, they say, it will die with it's head in the air not on it's AFL knees.
Sometimes I think you need to be careful what you wish for.
Are you saying that the entry of the AFL sides have led to an increase in crowds, interest, etc. in the SANFL?
Before you answer that, perhaps you could have a look at the difference in average crowds between 2011-2013 and 2014-2016.
You could have particular regard to the crowds that the Port Magpies franchise attracted during these two time periods, remembering that they have been much more successful during these last three years, even winning the minor premiership in 2014.
Once you've cleared that up you could explain why you are of the view that the removal of the AFL sides would lead to the demise of the SANFL.
by Booney » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:28 am
therisingblues wrote:Booney wrote:Matt, let me save you 250+ pages of heartache mate.
The people on here who so vehemently despise the AFL sides entry into the SANFL want a competition that is played on an even playing field, even if that playing field has only 300 people watching it with no fence between the spectators and the players at a local park. They want the integrity restored, they want all sides playing to the line even if it proves to be the demise of the states highest club based competition. At least, they say, it will die with it's head in the air not on it's AFL knees.
Sometimes I think you need to be careful what you wish for.
While I wouldn't actively wish for a league that has only 300 at a game, I would rather run the risk of that happening and have the AFL sides out, than have the situation as it is..
by Booney » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:32 am
therisingblues wrote:Wedgie wrote:I think we can safely say crowds won't go down without AFL sides when you look at the crowds we got 3 years ago. Thinking they'd go down is crazy, 300 per game is ludicrous.
I agree. But even if it were to happen, I'd rather have that, than the mess atm.
by therisingblues » Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:59 am
Booney wrote:therisingblues wrote:Wedgie wrote:I think we can safely say crowds won't go down without AFL sides when you look at the crowds we got 3 years ago. Thinking they'd go down is crazy, 300 per game is ludicrous.
I agree. But even if it were to happen, I'd rather have that, than the mess atm.
Can't be so sure.
Look what happened in and around the 1990's, people were lost to the SANFL as they were drawn to the AFL. Have they come back? Some might have, some might not, they've moved onto either the AFL or other pastime.
Because of the AFL reserves inclusion people have been lost to the SANFL, will they return? Perhaps, perhaps not, perhaps an 8 team "pure" competition will mean more people walk away, who can tell?
Again, I was saving matt hundreds of posts by summing up the overall sentiment of most on here and your comments above back that up.
by tipper » Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:40 am
Booney wrote:Because of the AFL reserves inclusion people have been lost to the SANFL, will they return? Perhaps, perhaps not, perhaps an 8 team "pure" competition will mean more people walk away, who can tell?
by Booney » Thu Sep 01, 2016 11:10 am
tipper wrote:Booney wrote:Because of the AFL reserves inclusion people have been lost to the SANFL, will they return? Perhaps, perhaps not, perhaps an 8 team "pure" competition will mean more people walk away, who can tell?
who can tell? well, i would suggest that the "anti's" have a proven track record in predicting what will happen with the changes in the league. posters like wedgie, uk fan, lph etc etc, they argued against the introduction of the reserves sides, and so far they have been proven correct on every count. crowds have fallen, memberships have fallen, media interest (apart from that focused on the reserves sides) has fallen, the crows $50k hasnt been the financial saviour of the clubs, the crows arent getting crowds of 4k (with or without opposition support), even the maggies crowds have plummeted.....
maybe, just maybe, the passionate and loyal sanfl supporters actually can see what is best for their own league and can see through the bullshit spin put forth by the afl clubs and those sucking up to them. maybe this time they will also be correct that the removal of the reserves sides will help the league.
either way, surely any good business would see that this change has hurt the leagues health, and attempt to make changes to correct the damage. the experiment failed. surely its time to either excise the problem, or make other changes to reverse the slide. sticking to a bad decision is much worse than making the bad decision in the first place. people need to admit they were wrong, and fix the issue sooner rather than later.
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