wubsy's Sydney thread

[morell]

Ew, no. Never put graphics/images in your charts people.

[woodublieve12]

Heeney cleared. Can't believe it was even sighted.

[woodublieve12]

Tom Harley will take over from Andrew Ireland as CEO at the end of 2018.

[Jimmy_041]

Nailed him Tredders

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/warren-tredrea/kurt-tippett-toiling-in-the-reserves-as-adelaide-crows-and-sydney-swans-count-the-cost-says-warren-tredrea/news-story/810a8c39da07a2f0bd4030b256c1229e

[Booney]

Nailed him Tredders

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/warren-tredrea/kurt-tippett-toiling-in-the-reserves-as-adelaide-crows-and-sydney-swans-count-the-cost-says-warren-tredrea/news-story/810a8c39da07a2f0bd4030b256c1229e

Paywall.

[Lightning McQueen]

Nailed him Tredders

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/expert-opinion/warren-tredrea/kurt-tippett-toiling-in-the-reserves-as-adelaide-crows-and-sydney-swans-count-the-cost-says-warren-tredrea/news-story/810a8c39da07a2f0bd4030b256c1229e

Paywall.

Annoying. Can others please copy and paste the articles?

[Jimmy_041]

Kurt Tippett toiling in the reserves as Adelaide Crows and Sydney Swans count the cost, says Warren Tredrea
Warren Tredrea, The Advertiser
July 26, 2017 6:00pm

Kurt Tippett — it’s a name that stirs emotions and polarises opinion.

Once a marquee Adelaide Crow, now a Sydney Swan who’s currently toiling away in the NEAFL hoping for a recall to the big league.

Football stands still for no one — no matter how much potential and talent you have.

At the end of 2012, the out-of-contract Tippett walked out of West Lakes after it was revealed both the player and his former club Adelaide had breached salary cap and draft rules.

Both parties were heavily punished for their roles in one of the AFL’s largest salary cap and draft tampering rorts.

Tippett was banned for the first 11 AFL matches of the 2013 season. The Crows lost their first and second round picks of the 2013 draft and were fined $300,000.

The story was huge, but the Crows fans’ angst hit the roof after Tippett walked and Adelaide got nothing in return.

The Swans licked their lips, acquiring a key forward for the miserly sum of pick 11 in 2013 pre-season draft, on a massive four-year $4 million deal.

Fast forward to 2017 and he hasn’t offered value for money for the Swans — while the team he left, Adelaide, is top of the table.

Sure it hasn’t all been doom and gloom — he burst out of the blocks once his suspension was served in 2013, kicking 35 goals in 12 games and was solid again in 2015 kicking 44 goals.

He’s also played in two losing grand finals — in 2014 and 2016. Close but no cigar.

But in between we have seen form and confidence struggles and regular injury interruptions with hip, knee and ankle complaints restricting him to 58 games in four years.

Kurt has had to adapt to new roles at the Swans. First he was recruited as a power forward, a role perfectly suited to his game on the small SCG.

It lasted only two seasons before the Swans acquired Lance Franklin in free agency on a nine-year, $10 million deal — with media dubbing them the “Bondi billionaires”.

They struggled to work in tandem and we briefly saw Tippett find career-best form in the ruck before the injury curse bit.

Right now he’s in the Swans reserves, dominating the substandard NEAFL. And while he’s fresh off a five-goal haul in a 146-point win, he’s clearly the Swans third-ranked ruckman behind Sam Naismith and ruck/forward Callum Sinclair — who kicked five goals on the weekend against the Saints.

At 30 years of age and with the injury god continuing to bite, Tippett’s best football is clearly behind him.

The issue for the Swans is he still has three seasons to run on his contract — with his deal set to expire in 2020, making it almost impossible for Sydney to trade him.

After originally arriving on a four-year deal, Tippett has twice extended his contract in the harbour city, at a reduced level to ease salary cap pressure, meaning he’ll fall out of contract at the ripe old football age of 33.

Tippett’s has never been a natural footballer and, as it stands, it looks unlikely we will ever see him fulfil his potential.

Twice his clubs have been desperate for his services and they have suffered totally different consequences — making him a very rich man in the process.

Adelaide paid the price for compromising its football club for one player. And the Swans have paid overs for a player who doesn’t dominate consistently enough at the top level.

Both are examples of the club’s desperation to retain Tippett as a player, when they have big money at their disposal.

That’s why a carefully thought-out wage structure and salary cap spending will always win in the long run.

Clubs must pick their marquee targets wisely. Fail to do so and you will suffer serious salary cap consequences for years to come.

[Brodlach]

Good sensible article by Tredrea (JB would have written it better ), didn't realise he was 30 now

[Jimmy_041]

Good sensible article by Tredrea (JB would have written it better ), didn't realise he was 30 now

Reaching his full potential

[MW]

Kurt Tippett toiling in the reserves as Adelaide Crows and Sydney Swans count the cost, says Warren Tredrea
Warren Tredrea, The Advertiser
July 26, 2017 6:00pm

....

Both parties were heavily punished for their roles in one of the AFL’s largest salary cap and draft tampering rorts.

....

And I stopped reading after this.

[Spargo]

Kurt Tippett toiling in the reserves as Adelaide Crows and Sydney Swans count the cost, says Warren Tredrea
Warren Tredrea, The Advertiser
July 26, 2017 6:00pm

....

Both parties were heavily punished for their roles in one of the AFL’s largest salary cap and draft tampering rorts.

....

And I stopped reading after this.

Ostriches are running out of sand in SA...

[Booney]

He says "one of" not "the biggest", so perhaps comprehension isn't a strong point in SA either?

[Booney]

Just looking through this list : looks to be about the 4th/5th largest fine total in the draft tampering fines list along with penalties to Tippett, Trigg and Harper so yeah, ONE OF the biggest.


-In 1987, Sydney were fined the maximum of $60,000 and forfeited their first round pick in the National Draft after a VFL investigation found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $1.15 million during the season.

-In 1992, Sydney were fined $50,000 after it was found that they had failed to disclose payments made to former player Greg Williams during the 1990 season; Williams was suspended for six matches and fined the maximum of $25,000 for accepting the payments.[7]
Hawthorn was fined $28,500 in 1992 for a minor breach in relation to benefit payments.

-Three clubs were fined for minor breaches in 1993: Melbourne ($13,450), Carlton ($9,750) and Footscray ($2,700).[8]

-In 1994, Carlton were fined $50,000 after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $85,000 during the 1993 season.[9]

-In 1995, Sydney were fined $20,000 after key documents relating to player financial details and star full-forward Tony Lockett's contract details were lost in the post by club officials, forcing the club, who had won the last three wooden spoons, to scratch from the 1995 pre-season draft and play the season two players short.[10] The club officials responsible for this error were fired by the Swans one week later.

-In 1996, Essendon were fined a record $638,250 ($250,000 in back tax and penalties, $112,000 for draft tampering and $276,250 for breaching the salary cap regulations), forfeited their first, second and third round picks in the National Draft and were excluded from the 1997 rookie and pre-season drafts after a joint Australian Tax Office and AFL investigation found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totalling $514,500 between 1991 and 1996, including $110,000 in 1993 when Essendon won the premiership.[11]
Ten other clubs were fined in 1996 for minor breaches in a crackdown following the Sydney incident the year before: Fitzroy, St Kilda and North Melbourne ($30,000 each), Richmond ($20,000), and Brisbane, Collingwood, the Western Bulldogs, Fremantle, Hawthorn and the West Coast Eagles ($10,000 each).

-In 1997, Port Adelaide was fined $50,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of five players.[12]

-In 1998, the West Coast Eagles were fined $100,000 and forfeited their third round pick in the National Draft after an AFL investigation found that they had exceeded the salary cap by a total of $165,000 during the 1997 and 1998 seasons.
Five other clubs also fined for exceeding the salary cap in 1998: Geelong ($77,000 and excluded from the 1999 pre-season draft), Collingwood ($47,500 and excluded from the 1999 pre-season draft), Hawthorn ($45,000), Richmond ($21,000 and excluded from the 1999 pre-season draft) and the Western Bulldogs ($5,300).[13]

-In 1999, Melbourne were fined $600,000 and forfeited their first, second and third round picks in the National Draft for two years after it was found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totalling $810,000 between 1995 and 1998. Fremantle were handed Melbourne's first round pick for the 1999 National Draft as compensation for losing ruckman Jeff White to Melbourne.
Two other clubs were fined in 1999 for minor breaches: Carlton (fined $43,800 and excluded from the 2000 pre-season draft) and Geelong ($20,000).[14]

-In 2000, Fremantle were fined $54,400 and excluded from the 2001 pre-season draft for a string of minor breaches. Fremantle's poor 2001 season (in which it won the wooden spoon) has been put down to this penalty.
Four other clubs were fined in 2000 for minor breaches: North Melbourne ($35,000), Richmond ($10,000), Brisbane ($7,500), and Melbourne ($5,000).[15]

-In 2001, Carlton were fined $125,150, forfeited their second and third round picks in the 2001 National Draft, and were excluded from the 2002 pre-season draft after it was found that they had failed to disclose payments totaling $239,900 to captain Craig Bradley and incorrectly lodged an additional services agreement document during the 1998 and 1999 seasons.
Three other clubs were fined in 2001 for minor breaches: Richmond and North Melbourne ($20,000 each) and Melbourne ($5,000).[16]

-In 2002, Carlton were fined an AFL record $987,500 and forfeited their priority picks in the 2002 National Draft, their first and second round picks in the 2003 and 2004 National Draft and were excluded from the 2003 pre-season draft after an AFL investigation found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totaling $1.37 million between 1998 and 2001; ruckman Matthew Allan was suspended for five matches and fined $10,000 for accepting undisclosed payments from club officials. Carlton struggled for seven years as it recovered both on and off the field from these significant penalties, finishing no higher than 11th in 2004 and winning their first-ever wooden spoons in 2002, 2005 and 2006. After the draft ban expired, Carlton received a multitude of priority and first round draft picks.[17]
Fremantle were fined $80,000 in 2002 for late and incorrect lodgement of documents relating to the financial and contract details of eight players.

-In 2003, Brisbane were fined $260,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of 26 players, while Essendon were fined $85,000 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $106,000 during the 2002 season, and the Western Bulldogs were fined $30,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of three players after a crackdown in light of the Carlton scandal the year before.[18]

-In 2004, Melbourne were fined $30,000 for incorrect lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of three players.[19]

-In 2005, St Kilda were fined $40,000 for a minor breach in regards to minor sponsor Xbox providing players with the game machines.[20] Brian Waldron, Matt Hanson and Cameron Vale, the club's CEO, CFO and Financial Officer at the time, were also involved at the NRL's Melbourne Storm when their salary cap scandal was brought to light.

-In 2006, St Kilda were fined $40,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of four players.[21]
Richmond was fined $10,000 in 2007 for late lodgement of a document relating to the contract and financial details of a player.[22]
Two clubs were fined in 2008 for minor breaches: Adelaide ($20,000) and St Kilda ($10,000).[23]

-In 2011, Richmond were fined $10,000 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $13,000 during the 2010 season.[24]

-In 2012, Collingwood were fined $20,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of two players.[25]

-In 2012, Adelaide were fined $300,000 and barred from the first two rounds and from taking any father-son selections in the 2013 National Draft but did not have any points deducted after an AFL investigation discovered that they had made unauthorised payments of $170,000 to and illegally agreed to trade forward Kurt Tippett to a club of his choice for a second-round draft pick when his contract expired at the end of 2012; Tippett was suspended until June 30, 2013 (11 matches plus the pre-season) and fined a player record $50,000 for accepting these conditions. Three Adelaide officials were also penalized: CEO Steven Trigg (suspended until June 30, 2013 and fined $50,000), former football manager John Reid (no longer directly involved in the AFL, but suspended until June 30, 2013) and current football manager Phil Harper (suspended until June 30, 2013).[26]

[Former Glory]

The Sydney effort in 1987 was brilliant, salary cap that year was only $1.25m and they breached it by $1.15m

[Lightning McQueen]

The Sydney effort in 1987 was brilliant, salary cap that year was only $1.25m and they breached it by $1.15m

What a cracking last round that season was, Melbourne defeated Footscray at the Western Oval to leapfrog them and Geelong into 5th position as the Cats lost to Hawthorn 123 to 126 at Kardinia Park.

The average score for the round was 123, four teams scored over 120 and still lost.

[valleys07]

The Sydney effort in 1987 was brilliant, salary cap that year was only $1.25m and they breached it by $1.15m

What a cracking last round that season was, Melbourne defeated Footscray at the Western Oval to leapfrog them and Geelong into 5th position as the Cats lost to Hawthorn 123 to 126 at Kardinia Park.

The average score for the round was 123, four teams scored over 120 and still lost.

That was the norm back then.

I was watching "The Way it Was 1985" the other night.

They showed highlights of the WA v SA SOO game (featuring a 35yo Malcolm Blight in vintage form!). WA kicked 16.15 and got rolled by 14 goals

[woodublieve12]

Josh Kennedy plays his 200th tonight. My favourite swan at the moment and my fave player in the AFL. Dead set gun... Contested ball beast, best in the comp at it... Been excellent since he became a swan...

AFL premiership: 2012
Sydney captain: 2017–
3× Bob Skilton Medal (2012, 2015, 2016)
3× All-Australian team: (2012, 2014, 2016)
2× Brett Kirk Medal (2012, 2015)
Sydney Swans best finals player (2016)
Gary Ayres Award: (2016)

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/video/201 ... -for-200th

[Corona Man]

Josh Kennedy plays his 200th tonight. My favourite swan at the moment and my fave player in the AFL. Dead set gun... Contested ball beast, best in the comp at it... Been excellent since he became a swan...

AFL premiership: 2012
Sydney captain: 2017–
3× Bob Skilton Medal (2012, 2015, 2016)
3× All-Australian team: (2012, 2014, 2016)
2× Brett Kirk Medal (2012, 2015)
Sydney Swans best finals player (2016)
Gary Ayres Award: (2016)

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/video/201 ... -for-200th

Wubsy, which is the Swans b&f Skilton or Kirk. My guess is the Skilton, if so what is the Kirk medal all about?

[Jim05]

Josh Kennedy plays his 200th tonight. My favourite swan at the moment and my fave player in the AFL. Dead set gun... Contested ball beast, best in the comp at it... Been excellent since he became a swan...

AFL premiership: 2012
Sydney captain: 2017–
3× Bob Skilton Medal (2012, 2015, 2016)
3× All-Australian team: (2012, 2014, 2016)
2× Brett Kirk Medal (2012, 2015)
Sydney Swans best finals player (2016)
Gary Ayres Award: (2016)

http://www.sydneyswans.com.au/video/201 ... -for-200th

Wubsy, which is the Swans b&f Skilton or Kirk. My guess is the Skilton, if so what is the Kirk medal all about?

Think it's the Sydney derby

[daysofourlives]

whats the Gary Ayres award?