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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby sahboz » Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:52 am

whybother wrote:And still no open & independent investigation into what exactly happened and how, and what part the game day officials played in the fiasco

FFS
We ****** up
You knew the rules (ie ask fer a player count)
You have a runner who just had to whisper into your captains ear Call a count
Hey presto end of bleating
But no you did not follow the rules and use it to cover up your 40 plus point turn around
Open and independent investigation will show you to be incompetent as apparently even your coaching staff were aware of the "19" but somehow not aware what do with the 19 on the field rule
Bottom line
WWT screwed up as badly as if not worse than we did but Mighty Roosters are deserved 2018 Premiers :)--
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby mighty hounds » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:44 am

sahboz wrote:
whybother wrote:And still no open & independent investigation into what exactly happened and how, and what part the game day officials played in the fiasco

FFS
We ****** up
You knew the rules (ie ask fer a player count)
You have a runner who just had to whisper into your captains ear Call a count
Hey presto end of bleating
But no you did not follow the rules and use it to cover up your 40 plus point turn around
Open and independent investigation will show you to be incompetent as apparently even your coaching staff were aware of the "19" but somehow not aware what do with the 19 on the field rule
Bottom line
WWT screwed up as badly as if not worse than we did but Mighty Roosters are deserved 2018 Premiers :)--


A very good source told me that the captain wasn’t even notified from anyone to call for a head count. Eagles own fault or don’t blow a 42 point lead in the 3rd quarter
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Wedgie » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:56 am

They had a 47 point lead :)
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Wedgie » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:50 am

Why Eagles players were out of order with their social media rants
Warren Partland, The Advertiser 31/10/18


WHO hasn’t picked up the phone in an emotional moment and typed a few words to vent? There is that desperate need to unleash a thought.

Often it is followed by regret, even despite the feeling of justification in the opinion.

Woodville-West Torrens was one very angry football club after the preliminary final loss to North Adelaide. No doubt frustration was on offer at Woodville Oval in bucket loads.

But to vent the way some players did on social media in the hours immediately after the 19th-man drama, probably after a couple of quiet ales, was totally out of order.

Calling the Roosters cheats and claiming rigged umpiring is just not on and the players were justifiably punished by the SANFL.

In fact, they are probably lucky to escape with suspensions and suspended fines. At least one of the comments, later removed, could have had legal ramifications.

If the SANFL wants to be serious it had to punish the players. There are rules against such behaviour.

The Eagles feel they were robbed and they are allowed to think that, rightly or wrongly.

However, rather than direct their anger at the Roosters and SANFL, maybe they should have put social media to one side and ask why they lost two finals and let slip a 47-point lead in the preliminary.

Sometimes, no matter what you think, it is best to bite your tongue — and put the phone away.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Hopeful Jelly » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:18 pm

mighty hounds wrote:A very good source told me that the captain wasn’t even notified from anyone to call for a head count.

It's hardly a secret ... Eagles CEO Luke Powell even said in media interviews that there wasn't enough time to notify either of the captains ... there was maybe 10-15 seconds at the most between the time that they worked out that there was 19 on the ground and told the 4th umpire, and the extra player coming off.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby tipper » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:27 pm

Hopeful Jelly wrote:
mighty hounds wrote:A very good source told me that the captain wasn’t even notified from anyone to call for a head count.

It's hardly a secret ... Eagles CEO Luke Powell even said in media interviews that there wasn't enough time to notify either of the captains ... there was maybe 10-15 seconds at the most between the time that they worked out that there was 19 on the ground and told the 4th umpire, and the extra player coming off.


why waste time telling the fourth umpire then, when the rules clearly state that the captain must ask the head umpire for the count?

might as well have sent someone into the stands to tell your number one ticket holder. would have accomplished just as much
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby o five » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:06 pm

Wedgie wrote:Why Eagles players were out of order with their social media rants
Warren Partland, The Advertiser 31/10/18


WHO hasn’t picked up the phone in an emotional moment and typed a few words to vent? There is that desperate need to unleash a thought.

Often it is followed by regret, even despite the feeling of justification in the opinion.

Woodville-West Torrens was one very angry football club after the preliminary final loss to North Adelaide. No doubt frustration was on offer at Woodville Oval in bucket loads.

But to vent the way some players did on social media in the hours immediately after the 19th-man drama, probably after a couple of quiet ales, was totally out of order.

Calling the Roosters cheats and claiming rigged umpiring is just not on and the players were justifiably punished by the SANFL.

In fact, they are probably lucky to escape with suspensions and suspended fines. At least one of the comments, later removed, could have had legal ramifications.

If the SANFL wants to be serious it had to punish the players. There are rules against such behaviour.

The Eagles feel they were robbed and they are allowed to think that, rightly or wrongly.

However, rather than direct their anger at the Roosters and SANFL, maybe they should have put social media to one side and ask why they lost two finals and let slip a 47-point lead in the preliminary.

Sometimes, no matter what you think, it is best to bite your tongue — and put the phone away.


I heard that Warren Partland had it in for the Eagles also and didn`t want them in the GF. :-"
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby whybother » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:48 pm

Actually the rule is, referring to the above post,

THE captain or acting captain of a Team may at any time during
a Match request that THE field Umpire count the number of Players
of the opposing Team who are on the Playing Surface.

No mention of co-captains or head umpire. The use of THE probably signifies only one person of each type.

The rule was written (probably) in the 1950s.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Columbo » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:11 pm

In 2018 this whole mess should not have been able to happen, but it did. The consequences right or wrong have been handed down and now steps need to be taken to stop it happening again.
One hypothetical question to ponder however,
What would the feeling have been from the broader SANFL community if the team with the extra player had been Adelaide or Port?
Bring on 2019 already, the cricket is ordinary.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Eagles2014 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:38 pm

Hopeful Jelly wrote:
mighty hounds wrote:A very good source told me that the captain wasn’t even notified from anyone to call for a head count.

It's hardly a secret ... Eagles CEO Luke Powell even said in media interviews that there wasn't enough time to notify either of the captains ... there was maybe 10-15 seconds at the most between the time that they worked out that there was 19 on the ground and told the 4th umpire, and the extra player coming off.


Unfortunately Luke Powell was telling porkies in the media after the game, the Eagles were not aware of the 19th man situation until AFTER he was off the oval, so they actually had no opportunity to call for a count.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby rocketeer » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:59 pm

The ones who should be most annoyed are Norwood, it probably cost them a flag.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Aerie » Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:26 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
Hopeful Jelly wrote:
mighty hounds wrote:A very good source told me that the captain wasn’t even notified from anyone to call for a head count.

It's hardly a secret ... Eagles CEO Luke Powell even said in media interviews that there wasn't enough time to notify either of the captains ... there was maybe 10-15 seconds at the most between the time that they worked out that there was 19 on the ground and told the 4th umpire, and the extra player coming off.


Unfortunately Luke Powell was telling porkies in the media after the game, the Eagles were not aware of the 19th man situation until AFTER he was off the oval, so they actually had no opportunity to call for a count.


Should've the 4th umpire have stepped up do you think Eagles2014? Not sure if that is his/her responsibility but from I understand the 4th umpire was aware of what was happening at the time?

The other question I have is how long were the North coaching staff aware there was 19 on the field. Did they know at the 30 second mark (or there abouts) or is that false information.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby StrayDog » Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:31 am

Columbo wrote:In 2018 this whole mess should not have been able to happen, but it did. The consequences right or wrong have been handed down and now steps need to be taken to stop it happening again.
One hypothetical question to ponder however,
What would the feeling have been from the broader SANFL community if the team with the extra player had been Adelaide or Port?

Bring on 2019 already, the cricket is ordinary.

I'd suggest a significant focus of those musings would be what action, if any, might have been taken against them. Hypothetically.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby whybother » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:53 am

Now that's a rumour

The other question I have is how long were the North coaching staff aware there was 19 on the field. Did they know at the 30 second mark (or there abouts) or is that false information.


that the SANFL definitely would NOT want to be true. IF it was, then it moves the 19th man from "accidental" to "deliberate" = "cheating", and that would open a great big can or worms !!

Bring on an open inquiry !
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Eagles2014 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:44 am

Aerie wrote:
Eagles2014 wrote:
Hopeful Jelly wrote:
mighty hounds wrote:A very good source told me that the captain wasn’t even notified from anyone to call for a head count.

It's hardly a secret ... Eagles CEO Luke Powell even said in media interviews that there wasn't enough time to notify either of the captains ... there was maybe 10-15 seconds at the most between the time that they worked out that there was 19 on the ground and told the 4th umpire, and the extra player coming off.


Unfortunately Luke Powell was telling porkies in the media after the game, the Eagles were not aware of the 19th man situation until AFTER he was off the oval, so they actually had no opportunity to call for a count.


Should've the 4th umpire have stepped up do you think Eagles2014? Not sure if that is his/her responsibility but from I understand the 4th umpire was aware of what was happening at the time?

The other question I have is how long were the North coaching staff aware there was 19 on the field. Did they know at the 30 second mark (or there abouts) or is that false information.


SANFL don't have an Emergency umpire during the season, only during the Finals. Interchanges are monitored by Champion Data.

My understanding is the Champion Data official went up to North bench at start of last quarter and said you only have two on the bench. They told him one of their players was injured and down in the change rooms (which they honestly thought as they had couple of injuries). At the two minute mark the Champion Data guy noticed one of the numbers he had listed on the bench was on the field, he then brought that to Norths attention who went "****", and then tried desperately to get a player off, which happened at the 3.38 minute mark.

Eagles knew none of this at the time, not till they asked Emergency Umpire what was going on, the player was already off by then.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby whybother » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:49 am

So according this recounting (pun intended) it took NA 1.38 to get a player off the ground? ! Wasn't there a wingman relatively near the interchange bench? It didn't have to be a player suitable for "team balance", it just had to be ANY player and QUICKLY.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby whybother » Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:54 am

And additionally, what's it got to do with Champion Data. The interchange stewards are mentioned in the Rules of the Game, but no mention anywhere of the role of Champion Data. Also a match day official playing a partisan role in the functioning of the game negated any chance of the Eagles calling for a count. The CD official could have easily told the Eagles first, or at least told both sides simultaneously. I bet Luke Powell could have got to an umpire in 1.38 minutes, even slow as he is!
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby PatowalongaPirate » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:07 am

whybother wrote:So according this recounting (pun intended) it took NA 1.38 to get a player off the ground? ! Wasn't there a wingman relatively near the interchange bench? It didn't have to be a player suitable for "team balance", it just had to be ANY player and QUICKLY.

No, it just had to be any player before the Eagles followed the correct protocol in raising the alarm.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby goddy11 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:21 am

[/quote]

Unfortunately Luke Powell was telling porkies in the media after the game, the Eagles were not aware of the 19th man situation until AFTER he was off the oval, so they actually had no opportunity to call for a count.[/quote]

Should've the 4th umpire have stepped up do you think Eagles2014? Not sure if that is his/her responsibility but from I understand the 4th umpire was aware of what was happening at the time?

The other question I have is how long were the North coaching staff aware there was 19 on the field. Did they know at the 30 second mark (or there abouts) or is that false information.[/quote]

SANFL don't have an Emergency umpire during the season, only during the Finals. Interchanges are monitored by Champion Data.

My understanding is the Champion Data official went up to North bench at start of last quarter and said you only have two on the bench. They told him one of their players was injured and down in the change rooms (which they honestly thought as they had couple of injuries). At the two minute mark the Champion Data guy noticed one of the numbers he had listed on the bench was on the field, he then brought that to Norths attention who went "****", and then tried desperately to get a player off, which happened at the 3.38 minute mark.

Eagles knew none of this at the time, not till they asked Emergency Umpire what was going on, the player was already off by then.[/quote]
Just a question.
Who does the Champion data official work for? Why did he/she go to NA and not mention it to the interchange stewards or someone official from the SANFL?
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby o five » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:00 pm

goddy11 wrote:


Unfortunately Luke Powell was telling porkies in the media after the game, the Eagles were not aware of the 19th man situation until AFTER he was off the oval, so they actually had no opportunity to call for a count.[/quote]

Should've the 4th umpire have stepped up do you think Eagles2014? Not sure if that is his/her responsibility but from I understand the 4th umpire was aware of what was happening at the time?

The other question I have is how long were the North coaching staff aware there was 19 on the field. Did they know at the 30 second mark (or there abouts) or is that false information.[/quote]

SANFL don't have an Emergency umpire during the season, only during the Finals. Interchanges are monitored by Champion Data.

My understanding is the Champion Data official went up to North bench at start of last quarter and said you only have two on the bench. They told him one of their players was injured and down in the change rooms (which they honestly thought as they had couple of injuries). At the two minute mark the Champion Data guy noticed one of the numbers he had listed on the bench was on the field, he then brought that to Norths attention who went "****", and then tried desperately to get a player off, which happened at the 3.38 minute mark.

Eagles knew none of this at the time, not till they asked Emergency Umpire what was going on, the player was already off by then.[/quote]
Just a question.
Who does the Champion data official work for? Why did he/she go to NA and not mention it to the interchange stewards or someone official from the SANFL?[/quote]

Maybe he or she thought it was an honest mistake.
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