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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:45 pm

Dropping Wade is a Travisty.
He saved the day against poms with Smith. Sacrificed himself to open in the last test series.
Could have performed better, but fair dinkum, that is a disgrace.


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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby RB » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:11 pm

I think the manner of Wade's dismissals this summer is what cost him.

Interesting that you've got a Twenty20 squad playing at the same time as the test squad. Obviously the test squad is picked first, so basically what it means is that the Twenty20 squad isn't really the best Australian side - e.g. Warner, Smith and probably Cummins would be in it.

So the team that's representing Australia isn't really the top team. Should they be classed as an 'Australia A' side?
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:16 pm

RB wrote:I think the manner of Wade's dismissals this summer is what cost him.

Interesting that you've got a Twenty20 squad playing at the same time as the test squad. Obviously the test squad is picked first, so basically what it means is that the Twenty20 squad isn't really the best Australian side - e.g. Warner, Smith and probably Cummins would be in it.

So the team that's representing Australia isn't really the top team. Should they be classed as an 'Australia A' side?

Yes, with age not his friend he needed to be more mature in his approach to his batting.

It's just plain ridiculous hey? Just don't double-book, it's 4 T20's, just wrap it up in a week, we've got a big enough squad and if our bowlers can't bowl 16 overs in a week they shouldn't be going anyway.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby Rik E Boy » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:54 pm

RB wrote:Ah, the Abbott and Neser cult continues I see. Clearly they've both got very compromising pictures.

Massive squad, no doubt due to Covid. They didn't used to take that many even when they spent 5 months in England.


Neser can bowl. Not sure what the angst is here. Rather see Neser in the side than more pies from Starc.

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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:56 pm

Lots of negativity on here about the squads that have been announced and also about the timing of both tours which is not surprising so I'm going to try and put a positive spin on it.

Firstly the clashing of the tours has been know about since September and from what I read all the international cricket boards have tried hard to fit all the series they can in given what is going on in the world due to the pandemic. CA's Interim Chief Executive Nick Hockley was quoted back in September in regards to the series clash- "This is a unique set of circumstances brought on by the pandemic and is not something we envisage replicating regularly in future."

We have the squads going to different countries which is new but it's not the first time a clash of tours has happened either.
I'm just happy the Aussies are able to go to other countries, still play cricket and I can still watch it given what is happening around the world and the more that's allowed to happen the better IMO.

To put a positive spin of squad selection, there are no surprises with the selections in both squads and this has become, almost by accident an ideal circumstance and could tell us alot about where we are at with T20 cricket.

We have what the selectors think is the best available squad going to South Africa to play the number one format and meanwhile we essentially have a squad of T20 specialists going to play a decent T20 team in NZ in a large series that will show us just how good these guys picked from the Big Bash are. It's still a pretty strong squad even without our Worldies that play multi-formats.

I'd say over the five match series the team will chop and change a fair bit and will show us who's up to international standard and who's not, it'll be a good precursor to the T20 World Cup.

Take Aston Turner for example, I don't think he's up to international standard, he's been in and out the white ball teams and if he plays 3/4 games we'll get to see if he's really good enough or not. Same goes for Sams, Short and Tye.

It's an excellent opportunity to see what Phillipe, Meredith, Sangha and McDermott can do too.

In regards to the test squad, you'd think that Head will get his spot back at 5 and clearly the selectors think that Carey is the next wicket-keeper inline to play test cricket, so his selection in the squad is good to see. An extra keeper is not something that is common in a test squad anymore so it'll be interesting if anything comes of that.
Steketee deserves his spot in the squad but there's no way he or Abbott will get a game unless something drastic happens.

Hopefully we get some dates for the series soon and whilst people are grumpy about who's in or out of the squad I'll be watching on with interest.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby The Dark Knight » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:11 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:So we are about to start the Sheffield Shield season again and the best 37 players are unavailable. Going to be a great Standard!!

Redbacks might do alright with only 3 players out!! My calculations have QLD and TAS with 4 and VIC with 5. The two hardest hit are WA with 10 and NSW with 11!

What is the main objective and priority of Australian first class cricket (all formats)? Is it not to produce and provide cricketers to play for Australia anywhere, at any time? That's exactly what is happening here isn't it?

The standard may drop because some 'better' players aren't available but first class merely exists to feed the Australian teams no matter how many players they need. States are hardly ever full strength anyway and have large squads to pick from and non first choice state cricketers get the opportunity to fill the void which if you look at it, has already happened during the first half of the shield season.

Looking at the teams from the last Shield round- November 8th-11th and how many players are in the test and T20 squads-
Victoria- 2 (Pucovski and Harris)
WA- 2 (Green and Short)
Tasmania- 4 (Wade, McDermott, Paine, Meredith)
NSW- 4 (Henriques, Abbott, Starc, Lyon)
Queensland- 4 (Labuschagne, Neser, Steketee, Swepson)
SA- 1 (Head)
17 out of 37 players named in the squads played in the most recent Shield round.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby DOC » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:22 pm

Yes it is.

Shield teams produce Test players. Grade teams produce shield players and so on.

It is also why shield cricket needs to be played when test cricket is on.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby Dutchy » Wed Jan 27, 2021 9:47 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:Finch: Piss poor BBL, lucky he is captain.
A.Agar: Didn't even play in the BBL.
Behrendorff: Good to see him back amongst it, 14 wickets with a 6.70 economy.
M.Marsh: Solid BBL in both disciplines.
Maxwell: Batting wasn't great but can't not have him, should be captain IMO.
McDermott: Worthy selection.
Meredith: Genuine tall quick, rather him than Billy.
Philippe: Excellent choice, was a no brainer though.
K.Richardson: Probably picked on reputation, he does lift when he's in the national team.
J.Richardson: Bowler of the comp IMO.
Sams: Bowled shit, done well to average 49 @ 191 when he can't face the short ball at all, I don't think he's up to the next level though.
Sangha: Was the spinner of the comp, I didn't realize he wasn't an oversea's player, faced two balls all comp LOL.
D.Short: He's no Matt Short but can deliver, did have a bit of a quiet BBL and dropped the easiest catch ever caught on camera.
Stoinis: Picks himself although he only bowled 6 overs for the comp, didn't set the world on fire.
Turner: Averaged 23 @ 155, please!!!!!
Tye: Did OK I guess, I'm just not a fan.
Wade: Scored 86 of his 105 in one dig, can't really overlook though, has enough credits in the bank.
Zampa: Gets the job done and can bowl in the power plays.


Good summary, Tye is another picked on the past - he hasn't had a good BBL. 4th best bowler at the Scorchers.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:55 am

The Dark Knight wrote:Lots of negativity on here about the squads that have been announced and also about the timing of both tours which is not surprising so I'm going to try and put a positive spin on it.



In regards to the test squad, you'd think that Head will get his spot back at 5 and clearly the selectors think that Carey is the next wicket-keeper inline to play test cricket, so his selection in the squad is good to see. An extra keeper is not something that is common in a test squad anymore so it'll be interesting if anything comes of that.


Yeah, it is unique and unprecedented, you'd think the hierachy would all like to be in the one place and isn't Langer the coach of all formats? Strage times we are living in though atm.

Is Carey going as insurance? You'd think he'd be more value to the the T20 side but I get the feeling that Finch feels uneasy with Carey in the side, he was a strange omission last year or whenever it was. In a way I can see more "back-up" keepers going on tour as they won't be just a plane trip away anymore with COVID-19 and the hurdles it has brought into society.

I can't see Paine or Carey playing soley as a batsman.

How's the stupid FB thing I seen this morning from the Melbourne Sun IIRC, it was labelling Finch as possibly the worlds best captain and they should consider him taking over the captaincy of the test side, batting potentially at 5.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby The Bedge » Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:35 am

Ponting coaches the T20 doesn’t he?
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby The Bedge » Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:36 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:How's the stupid FB thing I seen this morning from the Melbourne Sun IIRC, it was labelling Finch as possibly the worlds best captain and they should consider him taking over the captaincy of the test side, batting potentially at 5.

Probably written by S.K. Warne
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:55 am

The Bedge wrote:Ponting coaches the T20 doesn’t he?

He was the interim T20 coach in 2017 against Sri Lanka.

All I can find is the following:
Head Coach: Langer
Senior Asst: Andrew McDonald
Assistant: Matthew Mott
Batting: Trent Woodhill
Bowling: Troy Cooley
Fielding: Mike Young
Performance Coach: Den Oliver
Performance Analyst: Dene Hills
Physio: David Beakley
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby Jim05 » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:12 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:Lots of negativity on here about the squads that have been announced and also about the timing of both tours which is not surprising so I'm going to try and put a positive spin on it.



In regards to the test squad, you'd think that Head will get his spot back at 5 and clearly the selectors think that Carey is the next wicket-keeper inline to play test cricket, so his selection in the squad is good to see. An extra keeper is not something that is common in a test squad anymore so it'll be interesting if anything comes of that.


Yeah, it is unique and unprecedented, you'd think the hierachy would all like to be in the one place and isn't Langer the coach of all formats? Strage times we are living in though atm.

Is Carey going as insurance? You'd think he'd be more value to the the T20 side but I get the feeling that Finch feels uneasy with Carey in the side, he was a strange omission last year or whenever it was. In a way I can see more "back-up" keepers going on tour as they won't be just a plane trip away anymore with COVID-19 and the hurdles it has brought into society.

I can't see Paine or Carey playing soley as a batsman.

How's the stupid FB thing I seen this morning from the Melbourne Sun IIRC, it was labelling Finch as possibly the worlds best captain and they should consider him taking over the captaincy of the test side, batting potentially at 5.
I think Carey will get the nod over Trav for the first test
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby Dutchy » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:58 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
The Bedge wrote:Ponting coaches the T20 doesn’t he?

He was the interim T20 coach in 2017 against Sri Lanka.

All I can find is the following:
Head Coach: Langer
Senior Asst: Andrew McDonald
Assistant: Matthew Mott
Batting: Trent Woodhill
Bowling: Troy Cooley
Fielding: Mike Young
Performance Coach: Den Oliver
Performance Analyst: Dene Hills
Physio: David Beakley


McDonald has a good T20 background so I suspect he will head over the ditch.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby The Dark Knight » Thu Jan 28, 2021 9:59 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:Lots of negativity on here about the squads that have been announced and also about the timing of both tours which is not surprising so I'm going to try and put a positive spin on it.



In regards to the test squad, you'd think that Head will get his spot back at 5 and clearly the selectors think that Carey is the next wicket-keeper inline to play test cricket, so his selection in the squad is good to see. An extra keeper is not something that is common in a test squad anymore so it'll be interesting if anything comes of that.

Yeah, it is unique and unprecedented, you'd think the hierachy would all like to be in the one place and isn't Langer the coach of all formats? Strage times we are living in though atm.

Is Carey going as insurance? You'd think he'd be more value to the the T20 side but I get the feeling that Finch feels uneasy with Carey in the side, he was a strange omission last year or whenever it was. In a way I can see more "back-up" keepers going on tour as they won't be just a plane trip away anymore with COVID-19 and the hurdles it has brought into society.

I can't see Paine or Carey playing soley as a batsman.

How's the stupid FB thing I seen this morning from the Melbourne Sun IIRC, it was labelling Finch as possibly the worlds best captain and they should consider him taking over the captaincy of the test side, batting potentially at 5.

Apart from having to have a larger squad due to COVID and having to have all bases covered perhaps the selection of Carey indicates that the selectors don't have full faith in Paine anymore and if he doesn't keep well in the first test there's now more than a chance for him to be dropped with a readymade replacement already there to take his spot.

I can't see Carey playing as a specialist batsmen either but he can't do any worse than Wade has done of late can he?

While he's been a decent ODI and T20 captain and been our best white ball player in recent times Finch should be nowhere near the test side, lol!
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby The Dark Knight » Thu Jan 28, 2021 10:02 am

Dutchy wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
The Bedge wrote:Ponting coaches the T20 doesn’t he?

He was the interim T20 coach in 2017 against Sri Lanka.

All I can find is the following:
Head Coach: Langer
Senior Asst: Andrew McDonald
Assistant: Matthew Mott
Batting: Trent Woodhill
Bowling: Troy Cooley
Fielding: Mike Young
Performance Coach: Den Oliver
Performance Analyst: Dene Hills
Physio: David Beakley

McDonald has a good T20 background so I suspect he will head over the ditch.

It was confirmed yesterday that McDonald will be the coach for the T20 series.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby Trader » Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:28 pm

I think with the increasing use of the concussion sub, and the modification of the laws of the game in 2017 that allow sub fielders to wicketkeep, together with the difficulties to rush a replacement keeper into a squad with the covid-bubble rules, I think the taking of a second keeper on tour is now almost mandatory.

Therefore, I don't see Carey's selection as any reflection on Paine, but rather the 'new normal'.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:31 pm

Trader wrote:I think with the increasing use of the concussion sub, and the modification of the laws of the game in 2017 that allow sub fielders to wicketkeep, together with the difficulties to rush a replacement keeper into a squad with the covid-bubble rules, I think the taking of a second keeper on tour is now almost mandatory.

Therefore, I don't see Carey's selection as any reflection on Paine, but rather the 'new normal'.

That was my line of thinking also.
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby daysofourlives » Thu Jan 28, 2021 7:40 pm

Jim05 wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
The Dark Knight wrote:Lots of negativity on here about the squads that have been announced and also about the timing of both tours which is not surprising so I'm going to try and put a positive spin on it.



In regards to the test squad, you'd think that Head will get his spot back at 5 and clearly the selectors think that Carey is the next wicket-keeper inline to play test cricket, so his selection in the squad is good to see. An extra keeper is not something that is common in a test squad anymore so it'll be interesting if anything comes of that.


Yeah, it is unique and unprecedented, you'd think the hierachy would all like to be in the one place and isn't Langer the coach of all formats? Strage times we are living in though atm.

Is Carey going as insurance? You'd think he'd be more value to the the T20 side but I get the feeling that Finch feels uneasy with Carey in the side, he was a strange omission last year or whenever it was. In a way I can see more "back-up" keepers going on tour as they won't be just a plane trip away anymore with COVID-19 and the hurdles it has brought into society.

I can't see Paine or Carey playing soley as a batsman.

How's the stupid FB thing I seen this morning from the Melbourne Sun IIRC, it was labelling Finch as possibly the worlds best captain and they should consider him taking over the captaincy of the test side, batting potentially at 5.
I think Carey will get the nod over Trav for the first test


Totally agree, its between Head and Carey for that no6 position. Green will move to 5. The only other way they can go with that squad is to retain Warner and Harris opening and move Pucovski to 5 or 6.
Maybe if they are thinking Carey as the next captain they realize they need to get him in for a handful of Tests before they move Paine on
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Re: Australian International Summer 2020/21

Postby whufc » Fri Jan 29, 2021 10:06 am

Trader wrote:I think with the increasing use of the concussion sub, and the modification of the laws of the game in 2017 that allow sub fielders to wicketkeep, together with the difficulties to rush a replacement keeper into a squad with the covid-bubble rules, I think the taking of a second keeper on tour is now almost mandatory.

Therefore, I don't see Carey's selection as any reflection on Paine, but rather the 'new normal'.


100% bang on. Paine is not going anywhere so they had to take a second keeper given the circumstances.

Potentially they wouldn't have taken Carey if they had a Handscombe, Phil Hughes (RIP) type of cricketer.
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