Grade Cricket

[daysofourlives]

Sounds wet over there.... do many/any games get on tomorrow?

Yes it just bucketed down and more rain forecast for tomorrow morning. Even though the pitches are covered I wouldn't be surprised if some get called off due to wet surrounds (i.e. bowlers' run ups etc.).

Would there be covers on Unley Oval?

No covers at Unley, very, very unlikely to play there tomorrow. Only covers at the main ovals, not allowed on the 3rd/4th Grade “second” ovals.

Seriously, the premier cricket competition in the state doesnt have covers on 2nd ovals? You have to be kidding me, not only that if you did have them youre not allowed to use them, cmon, are we even trying to develop State cricketers?

[tigerpie]

Covers are a pain in the ass.
Getting them on and off when its windy is downright dangerous without significant manpower.
When its calm its a one/two man job.
Its just not feasible to expect covers on the no.2 grounds.

Volunteers are becoming harder and harder to find.
If you want elite sportsman you need money.
That's becoming increasingly harder to find.
CA or saca or both need to come up with more money and they don't have it.

As SA cricket followers are we just expecting too much from our grade clubs?

[heater31]

Covers are a pain in the ass.
Getting them on and off when its windy is downright dangerous without significant manpower.
When its calm its a one/two man job.
Its just not feasible to expect covers on the no.2 grounds.

Volunteers are becoming harder and harder to find.
If you want elite sportsman you need money.
That's becoming increasingly harder to find.
CA or saca or both need to come up with more money and they don't have it.

As SA cricket followers are we just expecting too much from our grade clubs?

Why hasn't the concept of roll on covers taken off in Australia like it has in the UK?

Then it becomes a 1 person job and even prevents sweating as no Hessian required.

[tigerpie]

Covers are a pain in the ass.
Getting them on and off when its windy is downright dangerous without significant manpower.
When its calm its a one/two man job.
Its just not feasible to expect covers on the no.2 grounds.

Volunteers are becoming harder and harder to find.
If you want elite sportsman you need money.
That's becoming increasingly harder to find.
CA or saca or both need to come up with more money and they don't have it.

As SA cricket followers are we just expecting too much from our grade clubs?

Why hasn't the concept of roll on covers taken off in Australia like it has in the UK?

Then it becomes a 1 person job and even prevents sweating as no Hessian required.

I've wondered the same.
You have to have somewhere to store them? They take up a fair space.
Wind could still be an issue?

[Jim05]

Covers are a pain in the ass.
Getting them on and off when its windy is downright dangerous without significant manpower.
When its calm its a one/two man job.
Its just not feasible to expect covers on the no.2 grounds.

Volunteers are becoming harder and harder to find.
If you want elite sportsman you need money.
That's becoming increasingly harder to find.
CA or saca or both need to come up with more money and they don't have it.

As SA cricket followers are we just expecting too much from our grade clubs?

Yet country clubs have no problems using covers. Sounds like more excuses to me

[tigerpie]

Covers are a pain in the ass.
Getting them on and off when its windy is downright dangerous without significant manpower.
When its calm its a one/two man job.
Its just not feasible to expect covers on the no.2 grounds.

Volunteers are becoming harder and harder to find.
If you want elite sportsman you need money.
That's becoming increasingly harder to find.
CA or saca or both need to come up with more money and they don't have it.

As SA cricket followers are we just expecting too much from our grade clubs?

Yet country clubs have no problems using covers. Sounds like more excuses to me

How would SD cover Adelaide high and get them on and off for the curator?
City people are too busy these days.
That's why I miss the country.

[Tony Clifton]

Second grounds can have covers I think but clubs need to commit to putting them on every single week

Cant pick and choose or borrow them for 'weeks of need' only

Defending 120... leave them off!

[Down the Hill]

Most clubs have little control over their no.2 grounds. I'm most familiar with the GCC set up and I'm not sure the West Torrens Council would be happy for covers to be used on Camden on a Thursday/Friday on what is a public space - let alone the logistics of getting them on and off. Is SA unique with most grade clubs having their 2nd ground at a completely different site or is it quite common in other states as well?

[Bluedemon]

I read somewhere if correct that Southern District have been told to merge or else with a letter sent to the President

[Aeropti]

Do people honestly think that simply getting rid of 3 clubs is the missing link that will take the Redbacks to the top of the First - Class system in Australia? Where is the accountability for players, coaches and administrative staff in the cricket department over this period of failure?

I am perplexed with the Hussey report not considering Geography in its merger? Surely it can't be good for there to be no premier club South of Darlington.

Look at the four most successful clubs in grade cricket in recent times - Kensington, University, Sturt and Glenelg. Probably the four most well off in terms of socio - economic terms as well. Cricket is becoming more exclusive and SACA seem to be putting that fact in to the 'too hard' basket, rather than working with the clubs to improve the situation.

[whitepointers]

To SDCC
I wish to confirm SACA’s position in the event Southern District Cricket Club (SDCC) members vote no for the merger with the Adelaide Cricket Club (ACC).
The SACA is committed to reducing the number of clubs in the Premier Competition as recommended in the Hussey report.
The SACA Board will use all powers to achieve this, which may involve restricting a clubs participation in one or more levels of the Premier Competition or asking SACA members to approve an amendment to the constitution to give the board unilateral power to remove any club from the Premier competition.
Financial incentives will not accompany these actions (unlike voluntary mergers).
SDCC will be considered by the SACA Board as part of this process, along with all other Premier clubs. With the SACA Board committed to implementing the Hussey report recommendation of reducing Premier Clubs to 8-10, 40% of the teams in the competition could be affected.
SDCC could be one of the affected clubs. Unlike a voluntary merger situation, the affected clubs will not be controlling their own destiny if these scenarios play out.
If you have any queries regarding this please call me.
Andrew Sinclair
President

[caleb777]

To SDCC
I wish to confirm SACA’s position in the event Southern District Cricket Club (SDCC) members vote no for the merger with the Adelaide Cricket Club (ACC).
The SACA is committed to reducing the number of clubs in the Premier Competition as recommended in the Hussey report.
The SACA Board will use all powers to achieve this, which may involve restricting a clubs participation in one or more levels of the Premier Competition or asking SACA members to approve an amendment to the constitution to give the board unilateral power to remove any club from the Premier competition.
Financial incentives will not accompany these actions (unlike voluntary mergers).
SDCC will be considered by the SACA Board as part of this process, along with all other Premier clubs. With the SACA Board committed to implementing the Hussey report recommendation of reducing Premier Clubs to 8-10, 40% of the teams in the competition could be affected.
SDCC could be one of the affected clubs. Unlike a voluntary merger situation, the affected clubs will not be controlling their own destiny if these scenarios play out.
If you have any queries regarding this please call me.
Andrew Sinclair
President

Yep, thats merge or well end you anyway. Taking away the Premier cricket side in one of the biggest growth areas in the state is just genuine stupidity but what more would you expect from SACA.

So we need ten sides?

1. Get rid of Uni. They dont develop Juniors and just steal them from other clubs. Send them to Adelaide Turf or better yet merge them with Prospect to create Adelaide City or something like that.
2. Merge TTG and Northern. Creates a super strong side in the North.
3. Merge 2 out of the 3 western sides in WT, Port or Woodville. Port arent filling all of their junior sides right now anyway.

That gets us down to 3. Moreover SDCC needs to make a move to Noarlunga and connect better with South Adelaide Panthers and rebrand themselves. South Adelaide or something like that. South have a really strong connection with the Fleurieu peninsula which is something that SDCC have been lacking. Put in a new turf deck there and make Bice the second turf oval.

Just a thought.

[Aerie]

Exactly the same bullying tactics threatened to WTDCC and PACC 5 years ago.

https://committees.parliament.sa.gov.au ... %2F2018/54

Why haven't the SACA Board put their money where their mouth is and asked the members to vote and approve the amendment to the constitution to kick out any club?

Blind Freddy could see that there has been a lack of investment in cricket down south.

Ridiculous undue pressure on club volunteers.

[Eagles2014]

Exactly the same bullying tactics threatened to WTDCC and PACC 5 years ago.

https://committees.parliament.sa.gov.au ... %2F2018/54

Why haven't the SACA Board put their money where their mouth is and asked the members to vote and approve the amendment to the constitution to kick out any club?

Blind Freddy could see that there has been a lack of investment in cricket down south.

Ridiculous undue pressure on club volunteers.

This is blackmail of the highest type, disgraceful really. Exactly what they did to WT and Port.

Sinclair was on 5AA today talking to KG, basically reiterated the above letter.

He is an arrogant flog, no time for him at all!

[Tony Clifton]

Exactly the same bullying tactics threatened to WTDCC and PACC 5 years ago.

https://committees.parliament.sa.gov.au ... %2F2018/54

Why haven't the SACA Board put their money where their mouth is and asked the members to vote and approve the amendment to the constitution to kick out any club?

Blind Freddy could see that there has been a lack of investment in cricket down south.

Ridiculous undue pressure on club volunteers.

Action replay:

The Select Committee finds that:

7. It does not accept SACA’s interpretation of s.15 of its Constitution and finds that SACA does not have the authority to act directly or indirectly to merge clubs without prior reference to and upon recommendation of the Grade Cricket Committee (GCC). Further:

a. The Select Committee finds that it is not the intent of the Constitution to allow mergers to be forced upon unwilling clubs; and

b. the Select Committee finds that the intent of s.15.2 of the Constitution is to provide a process that allows clubs to approach the GCC with a plan for merger and that it is assumed it is undertaken willingly and without the threat of removal of funding affecting their desire to merge.

8. s.43 of the Constitution does not give SACA authority to overrule the GCC in this particular matter; and

9. The threat to demote a team from the Premier competition and withhold club funding if agreement was not reached to merge flouts the intent of the Constitution.

[Eagles2014]

Exactly the same bullying tactics threatened to WTDCC and PACC 5 years ago.

https://committees.parliament.sa.gov.au ... %2F2018/54

Why haven't the SACA Board put their money where their mouth is and asked the members to vote and approve the amendment to the constitution to kick out any club?

Blind Freddy could see that there has been a lack of investment in cricket down south.

Ridiculous undue pressure on club volunteers.

Action replay:

The Select Committee finds that:

7. It does not accept SACA’s interpretation of s.15 of its Constitution and finds that SACA does not have the authority to act directly or indirectly to merge clubs without prior reference to and upon recommendation of the Grade Cricket Committee (GCC). Further:

a. The Select Committee finds that it is not the intent of the Constitution to allow mergers to be forced upon unwilling clubs; and

b. the Select Committee finds that the intent of s.15.2 of the Constitution is to provide a process that allows clubs to approach the GCC with a plan for merger and that it is assumed it is undertaken willingly and without the threat of removal of funding affecting their desire to merge.

8. s.43 of the Constitution does not give SACA authority to overrule the GCC in this particular matter; and

9. The threat to demote a team from the Premier competition and withhold club funding if agreement was not reached to merge flouts the intent of the Constitution.

That’s why I can’t see a merger happening. Too much emotion involved, and there has never been a successful merger.

I still believe the only option SACA have is to form a “new comp” along the lines of the pre season comp with Western Grit, etc and Clubs need to apply to enter.

[tigerpie]

To SDCC
I wish to confirm SACA’s position in the event Southern District Cricket Club (SDCC) members vote no for the merger with the Adelaide Cricket Club (ACC).
The SACA is committed to reducing the number of clubs in the Premier Competition as recommended in the Hussey report.
The SACA Board will use all powers to achieve this, which may involve restricting a clubs participation in one or more levels of the Premier Competition or asking SACA members to approve an amendment to the constitution to give the board unilateral power to remove any club from the Premier competition.
Financial incentives will not accompany these actions (unlike voluntary mergers).
SDCC will be considered by the SACA Board as part of this process, along with all other Premier clubs. With the SACA Board committed to implementing the Hussey report recommendation of reducing Premier Clubs to 8-10, 40% of the teams in the competition could be affected.
SDCC could be one of the affected clubs. Unlike a voluntary merger situation, the affected clubs will not be controlling their own destiny if these scenarios play out.
If you have any queries regarding this please call me.
Andrew Sinclair
President

Wow, that's bullying of the highest order.
Confirms that SACA really have no idea!

[heater31]

Does anyone know if ACC received a similar message?

[tigerpie]

Most of us down this way would agree, SD, with help from Saca, should move to arctic park.
Put an administrator in to set up the right business model at the club.
They have to stay down this way, but need to mend some community club bridges they've previously burnt.
Adelaide moves down here.
Name change to South Adelaide CC.

Can any bright spark shed light as to why they've never tried to make the move to noarlunga?

[Eagles2014]

Does anyone know if ACC received a similar message?

Don’t think so. Well known your President is up the asses of SACA hierarchy, all he wants is a spot on the SACA board in the not too distant future, pushing the merger (or takeover in Adelaide’s case!!) is earning him plenty of brownie points!