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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:52 pm

tipper wrote:
JK wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Good on them for getting on here and going against the grain, although I don't agree with many of their views I think they'd both be great to have a beer with.


No disrespect to those lads, but I get the feeling your list of "People that wouldn't be great to have a beer with" is somewhat miniscule ;)
He has had a beer with me a couple of times so i think you are on the money here...

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I think next time though I'll just tell the chick behind the bar to just hook the keg up to wherever you're sitting, would make her job easier.

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby tipper » Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:03 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
tipper wrote:
JK wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:Good on them for getting on here and going against the grain, although I don't agree with many of their views I think they'd both be great to have a beer with.


No disrespect to those lads, but I get the feeling your list of "People that wouldn't be great to have a beer with" is somewhat miniscule ;)
He has had a beer with me a couple of times so i think you are on the money here...

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I think next time though I'll just tell the chick behind the bar to just hook the keg up to wherever you're sitting, would make her job easier.

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be easier on my knees too ;)
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby JK » Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:46 pm

tipper wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:I think next time though I'll just tell the chick behind the bar to just hook the keg up to wherever you're sitting, would make her job easier.

#candrink


be easier on my knees too ;)


I'm not sure which way to read that one :lol:
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Kahuna » Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:20 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:I, for one, am quite happy for Daysie and Apache to post what they think
They have the same rights to post as we all do, and politicians like those in Victoria will just blatantly lie unless someone calls them out

Block them if you dont like it


I never said that either poster didn't have the right to post whatever BS they like. I expressed surprise that someone would post that they lie to avoid complying with what the entire community has been asked to do for the good of all.


I don't see the relevance of your Vic politician comment.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:33 pm

JK wrote:
tipper wrote:
be easier on my knees too ;)


I'm not sure which way to read that one :lol:


Whichever way you're putting it in your scone is probably it's intended meaning.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby shoe boy » Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:37 pm



But when you've got health professionals and authorities on one side, and 'Rebel News'/Youtube/Comrade Apache on the other side...[/quote]But you also need to be cautious of health professionals..... look at Qld...

Or the pathetic excuse for a PM making outrageous comments about vaccines [-X

PS has anyone seen Scotty from marketing ?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby stan » Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:02 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:I, for one, am quite happy for Daysie and Apache to post what they think
They have the same rights to post as we all do, and politicians like those in Victoria will just blatantly lie unless someone calls them out

Block them if you dont like it

I enjoy reading their input, I'm glad we all differ in opinions and I respect theirs.

Good on them for getting on here and going against the grain, although I don't agree with many of their views I think they'd both be great to have a beer with.
Agree, I quite enjoy what they bring to this place.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:02 pm

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mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Look forward to my 2nd jab Friday. Gets me out of work 90mins early

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if a small prick gets you out of work 90 minutes early I should be leaving early every day :lol:


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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby stan » Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:04 pm

shoe boy wrote:But when you've got health professionals and authorities on one side, and 'Rebel News'/Youtube/Comrade Apache on the other side...
But you also need to be cautious of health professionals..... look at Qld...

Or the pathetic excuse for a PM making outrageous comments about vaccines [-X

PS has anyone seen Scotty from marketing ?[/quote]**** me, I wouldn't stuck my head out of the burrow now, I reckon it would get kicked off.

Then again, I'm not running the country, not sure he is either.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:16 pm

whufc wrote:Im all for freedoms but we live in a society that now has to much freedom of speech. Fake news is the biggest risk on this planet right now. The next major civil war will be because of fake news.

We need to start reigining in peoples ability to post blatant lies and bullshit.


Well Daysie can post as much as he wants after he picked this winner for our Melbourne Cup Punters Club: Barade $50 @ $34 ^:)^
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Jul 07, 2021 11:37 pm

Facts on COVID-19 that politicians won’t tell you

John Kehoe AFR

An elderly relative emailed me last week, curious to know about the reliability of COVID-19 death statistics.

Sadly, her 90-year-old friend in Geneva had been dying in hospital with oesophageal cancer and had also suffered a stroke. He was, according to my relative, non compos mentis and was very soon expected to die.

In his final days, he caught COVID-19. His death was officially attributed to the virus.

Similarly, my relative’s walking group friend also knew someone who was officially listed as dying from the virus but was about to die any day from cancer of the spleen.

“My question is, if these sorts of deaths come under ‘COVID virus’. does this not upset the statistics for what the real cause of death actually is?” my relative asked.

I was surprised she was not aware that most people who died with COVID-19, had other serious life-ending conditions.

As reported on October 20, 73 per cent of Australians who have died with COVID-19 had at least one (and often multiple) other pre-existing comorbidities, death certificate data reported by the Australian Bureau of Statistics show. These included dementia (41 per cent), chronic cardiac conditions (32 per cent), diabetes (17 per cent) and hypertension (16 per cent).

The average age of COVID-19 deaths in Australia is 85 years – above the age of life expectancy.

Yet our scare-mongering politicians and bureaucrats have terrified millions of relatively healthy and non-elderly people to believe they are at serious risk of dying or getting very sick from the virus.

In the United States last year before vaccinations, the estimated COVID-19 infection fatality ratio (IFR) was 0.002 per cent for under 18s, 0.05 per cent for people aged 18 to 49, 0.6 per cent for 50-64 year olds and a significantly higher 9 per cent for those aged over 65, the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention says. The most vulnerable are now overwhelmingly vaccinated.

Fear being weaponised

Eighteen months into the virus, political fear explains why so few people publicly question the latest lockdowns of 12 million people across four cities, in response to a small number of virus cases. We lock down half the country, instead of vaccinating aged care workers.

Regrettably, fear will be used to justify at least another six months of rolling stop-start lockdowns under the vague four-stage plan announced by Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

Nobody in the political class and very few people in the sensationalist media are prepared to whisper some indisputable facts about COVID-19.

Context is required to effectively manage the virus and balance broader societal considerations such as social wellbeing, mental health, non-COVID-19 health, education of young people and economic prosperity including for millions of small businesses and workers.

In the face of hysterical daily news conferences by premiers to announce case numbers and obliging media hyperventilating, it’s largely been forgotten that – so far - nobody who has caught COVID-19 in Australia this year has died. Barely anyone is seriously sick.

That’s perhaps because more than 70 per cent of over-70s have had at least one vaccination, other COVID-19 treatments have improved and the vulnerable are wisely social distancing.

Queensland hysteria

Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly said on July 2 that “very few” people were in hospital.

There are 474 “active” cases of COVID-19 reported in Australia. About one quarter were returned overseas travellers in quarantine.

Of the 366 “active” NSW cases, only 17 are in hospital and a further six are in intensive care.


Queensland, which has led the virus hysteria, does not publish reliable figures because it automatically designates all 49 of the state’s active cases as “in hospital”. Yet only one Queenslander is in intensive care.

Queensland’s Chief Health Officer, Jeannette Young, repeats blunt lockdowns against any tiny virus outbreak. She ridiculed the Prime Minister for suggesting under-40s consider taking AstraZeneca, and she suggested this would put 18-year-olds at risk of dying from blood clots.

Her brazen statement proves she lacks a comprehensive public policy framework in preferring lockdowns over the very small risk of the virus and vaccination side effects.

Toll on younger people

Former Reserve Bank of Australia economist Peter Tulip rightly observed that Young failed a basic public health cost-benefit analysis because for “18-year-olds lockdown is more harmful than AstraZeneca”.

During lockdowns, younger people are more at risk from depression, suicide, lost education and job losses in industries such as hospitality, retail, tourism and recreation.

Young also appeared to fail to consider the broader community benefits – to lives and livelihoods - from faster and more widespread vaccination.

For narrow-minded people like Young, only the daily tally board of COVID-19 cases matters, because that’s all populist politicians and the media focus on.

I guess it’s too much to expect Young to provide mature context, like the fact five Queenslanders every week on average died from the flu in 2019.

Zero COVID-19 cases or deaths is not a realistic benchmark, when COVID-19 will be circulating for years to come, even with vaccinations.

An annual average of 3332 people died of either influenza or pneumonia – both respiratory illnesses – in 2015-2019, mortality statistics show.

There was 3915 hospitalisations from influenza in 2019 and 6.3 per cent or 235 people were admitted to intensive care, according to research published by Ian Barr, deputy director of the WHO Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza.

The deceased had a similar age and health profile to people dying with COVID-19.

Flu vaccinations do not prevent every flu death.

For the population on average, COVID-19 (before vaccinations) was about six to 10 times more lethal than seasonal influenza, which is vaccinated against.

Other deaths rise

Moreover, total recorded deaths in Australia last year were broadly steady at 141,116 as registered by February 28, 2021, according to preliminary ABS data.

Because of COVID-19-related restrictions such as social distancing and lockdowns, respiratory disease deaths fell 16 per cent as influenza and pneumonia cases plunged in a mild flu season.

But offsetting that was cancer deaths rising 4 per cent, dementia deaths jumping 7.3 per cent and diabetes deaths increasing 9.1 per cent.

With our political leaders and health bureaucrats consumed by COVID-19, they have neglected other health problems and may have shifted deaths to other causes because of cancelled health check-ups during lockdowns.

Screenings for cancer and strokes plunged, because people were too frightened to go to hospital. Medical specialists worry the missed diagnoses will have higher mortality consequences for years to come.

To be sure, proportional and sustainable public health responses can be warranted – hygiene, social distancing, face masks, international border restrictions, some form of quarantine for returned travellers, testing and contact tracing, isolation for suspected positive cases and limits on very large group gatherings.

Moreover, 685 (75 per cent) of the 910 COVID-19 deaths in Australia were aged care residents, almost all in Victoria. As explained, these figures include people also dying of other serious comorbidities.

The average tenancy in aged care is two to three years before a resident dies. Some 60,000 Australians die in nursing homes each year, the Productivity Commission says.

Before vaccines, the UK’s population-wide infection fatality ratio had fallen significantly from original estimates, to between 0.3 per cent and 0.49 per cent last year for people who contracted the virus, the UK’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine has reported. More recently in February, UK fatality rates had fallen a further 30 per cent for over-80s, even before widespread vaccinations.

Singapore’s Prime Minister is talking about living with the virus as an “endemic” disease as vaccines are rolled out. He wants to move beyond focusing on daily cases.

Lockdown and delusional Australia desperately needs a dose of such factual realism.
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Trader » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:36 am

The average age of COVID-19 deaths in Australia is 85 years – above the age of life expectancy.


Life expectancy for people with covid in Australia - 85 years.
Life expectancy for people without covid in Australia - less than 85 years.

Covid extends your life!!!

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:50 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:Facts on COVID-19 that politicians won’t tell you

John Kehoe AFR

An elderly relative emailed me last week, curious to know about the reliability of COVID-19 death statistics.

Sadly, her 90-year-old friend in Geneva had been dying in hospital with oesophageal cancer and had also suffered a stroke. He was, according to my relative, non compos mentis and was very soon expected to die.

In his final days, he caught COVID-19. His death was officially attributed to the virus.

Similarly, my relative’s walking group friend also knew someone who was officially listed as dying from the virus but was about to die any day from cancer of the spleen.

“My question is, if these sorts of deaths come under ‘COVID virus’. does this not upset the statistics for what the real cause of death actually is?” my relative asked.

I was surprised she was not aware that most people who died with COVID-19, had other serious life-ending conditions.

As reported on October 20, 73 per cent of Australians who have died with COVID-19 had at least one (and often multiple) other pre-existing comorbidities, death certificate data reported by the Australian Bureau of Statistics show. These included dementia (41 per cent), chronic cardiac conditions (32 per cent), diabetes (17 per cent) and hypertension (16 per cent).

The average age of COVID-19 deaths in Australia is 85 years – above the age of life expectancy.

Yet our scare-mongering politicians and bureaucrats have terrified millions of relatively healthy and non-elderly people to believe they are at serious risk of dying or getting very sick from the virus.

In the United States last year before vaccinations, the estimated COVID-19 infection fatality ratio (IFR) was 0.002 per cent for under 18s, 0.05 per cent for people aged 18 to 49, 0.6 per cent for 50-64 year olds and a significantly higher 9 per cent for those aged over 65, the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention says. The most vulnerable are now overwhelmingly vaccinated.

Fear being weaponised

Eighteen months into the virus, political fear explains why so few people publicly question the latest lockdowns of 12 million people across four cities, in response to a small number of virus cases. We lock down half the country, instead of vaccinating aged care workers.

Regrettably, fear will be used to justify at least another six months of rolling stop-start lockdowns under the vague four-stage plan announced by Prime Minister Scott Morrison.

Nobody in the political class and very few people in the sensationalist media are prepared to whisper some indisputable facts about COVID-19.

Context is required to effectively manage the virus and balance broader societal considerations such as social wellbeing, mental health, non-COVID-19 health, education of young people and economic prosperity including for millions of small businesses and workers.

In the face of hysterical daily news conferences by premiers to announce case numbers and obliging media hyperventilating, it’s largely been forgotten that – so far - nobody who has caught COVID-19 in Australia this year has died. Barely anyone is seriously sick.

That’s perhaps because more than 70 per cent of over-70s have had at least one vaccination, other COVID-19 treatments have improved and the vulnerable are wisely social distancing.

Queensland hysteria

Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly said on July 2 that “very few” people were in hospital.

There are 474 “active” cases of COVID-19 reported in Australia. About one quarter were returned overseas travellers in quarantine.

Of the 366 “active” NSW cases, only 17 are in hospital and a further six are in intensive care.


Queensland, which has led the virus hysteria, does not publish reliable figures because it automatically designates all 49 of the state’s active cases as “in hospital”. Yet only one Queenslander is in intensive care.

Queensland’s Chief Health Officer, Jeannette Young, repeats blunt lockdowns against any tiny virus outbreak. She ridiculed the Prime Minister for suggesting under-40s consider taking AstraZeneca, and she suggested this would put 18-year-olds at risk of dying from blood clots.

Her brazen statement proves she lacks a comprehensive public policy framework in preferring lockdowns over the very small risk of the virus and vaccination side effects.

Toll on younger people

Former Reserve Bank of Australia economist Peter Tulip rightly observed that Young failed a basic public health cost-benefit analysis because for “18-year-olds lockdown is more harmful than AstraZeneca”.

During lockdowns, younger people are more at risk from depression, suicide, lost education and job losses in industries such as hospitality, retail, tourism and recreation.

Young also appeared to fail to consider the broader community benefits – to lives and livelihoods - from faster and more widespread vaccination.

For narrow-minded people like Young, only the daily tally board of COVID-19 cases matters, because that’s all populist politicians and the media focus on.

I guess it’s too much to expect Young to provide mature context, like the fact five Queenslanders every week on average died from the flu in 2019.

Zero COVID-19 cases or deaths is not a realistic benchmark, when COVID-19 will be circulating for years to come, even with vaccinations.

An annual average of 3332 people died of either influenza or pneumonia – both respiratory illnesses – in 2015-2019, mortality statistics show.

There was 3915 hospitalisations from influenza in 2019 and 6.3 per cent or 235 people were admitted to intensive care, according to research published by Ian Barr, deputy director of the WHO Collaborating Centre for Reference and Research on Influenza.

The deceased had a similar age and health profile to people dying with COVID-19.

Flu vaccinations do not prevent every flu death.

For the population on average, COVID-19 (before vaccinations) was about six to 10 times more lethal than seasonal influenza, which is vaccinated against.

Other deaths rise

Moreover, total recorded deaths in Australia last year were broadly steady at 141,116 as registered by February 28, 2021, according to preliminary ABS data.

Because of COVID-19-related restrictions such as social distancing and lockdowns, respiratory disease deaths fell 16 per cent as influenza and pneumonia cases plunged in a mild flu season.

But offsetting that was cancer deaths rising 4 per cent, dementia deaths jumping 7.3 per cent and diabetes deaths increasing 9.1 per cent.

With our political leaders and health bureaucrats consumed by COVID-19, they have neglected other health problems and may have shifted deaths to other causes because of cancelled health check-ups during lockdowns.

Screenings for cancer and strokes plunged, because people were too frightened to go to hospital. Medical specialists worry the missed diagnoses will have higher mortality consequences for years to come.

To be sure, proportional and sustainable public health responses can be warranted – hygiene, social distancing, face masks, international border restrictions, some form of quarantine for returned travellers, testing and contact tracing, isolation for suspected positive cases and limits on very large group gatherings.

Moreover, 685 (75 per cent) of the 910 COVID-19 deaths in Australia were aged care residents, almost all in Victoria. As explained, these figures include people also dying of other serious comorbidities.

The average tenancy in aged care is two to three years before a resident dies. Some 60,000 Australians die in nursing homes each year, the Productivity Commission says.

Before vaccines, the UK’s population-wide infection fatality ratio had fallen significantly from original estimates, to between 0.3 per cent and 0.49 per cent last year for people who contracted the virus, the UK’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine has reported. More recently in February, UK fatality rates had fallen a further 30 per cent for over-80s, even before widespread vaccinations.

Singapore’s Prime Minister is talking about living with the virus as an “endemic” disease as vaccines are rolled out. He wants to move beyond focusing on daily cases.

Lockdown and delusional Australia desperately needs a dose of such factual realism.

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Jul 08, 2021 10:52 am

Trader wrote:
The average age of COVID-19 deaths in Australia is 85 years – above the age of life expectancy.


Life expectancy for people with covid in Australia - 85 years.
Life expectancy for people without covid in Australia - less than 85 years.

Covid extends your life!!!

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby JK » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:45 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
whufc wrote:Im all for freedoms but we live in a society that now has to much freedom of speech. Fake news is the biggest risk on this planet right now. The next major civil war will be because of fake news.

We need to start reigining in peoples ability to post blatant lies and bullshit.


Well Daysie can post as much as he wants after he picked this winner for our Melbourne Cup Punters Club: Barade $50 @ $34 ^:)^


Was indeed a spectacular play :D :partyman:
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Apachebulldog » Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:16 pm

Once again you have excelled Jimmy great read.

Some of us have questioned the Covid death numbers for over a year.

Deaths with Co Morbidities are all counted in as Covid deaths as a lot of experts have stated the stats are skewed.

Covid 19 has run its course thru late 2019 and 2020.

There is a new player in town and its Delta.

With the onset of winter and 6 months into 2021 zero deaths have been recorded in Australia thus far from Delta Flu.

So why does the Government and all the inept state Premiers still persist with restrictions border closures etc.

Of course this is all championed by the weak hapless p__s weak media who are a spineless mob of cretins who perpetuate relish and go along with all the scaremomgering from all those idiots.

The more intrepid journos who challenge these beauracrats and state premiers are ridiculed by some people why?????

Does everyone want to to stay in this zombie state for the rest of their lives every time there is a new Flu out there ????

After 16 months of this some of us have worked it out but a lot of sheep are still stuck in the paddock. :( :( :(

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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Pseudo » Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:08 pm

Just pfinished my pfirst pfizer pfix. Now killing 10 minutes in the observation area. How long does it take for the 5G nanobots to start receiving?
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby Jimmy_041 » Fri Jul 09, 2021 4:28 pm

Pseudo wrote:Just pfinished my pfirst pfizer pfix. Now killing 10 minutes in the observation area. How long does it take for the 5G nanobots to start receiving?


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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby daysofourlives » Fri Jul 09, 2021 10:16 pm

https://thetruedefender.com/breaking-ne ... 4aL_2MPoi4

Whats in the vax, bit worrying for those who have taken it, oh well, youve done your bit for the human race, sacricficing yourselves in the depopulation quest.

Myself and Apache will repopulate the world :lol:
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Re: Coronavirus (Covid19)

Postby mighty hounds » Sat Jul 10, 2021 9:05 am

daysofourlives wrote:https://thetruedefender.com/breaking-news-the-real-contents-of-pfizer-vials/?fbclid=IwAR1fwbLO8utbG7QYH-6EKIHopL1ZImcPSXMerIwh_nalf_IOZ4aL_2MPoi4

Whats in the vax, bit worrying for those who have taken it, oh well, youve done your bit for the human race, sacricficing yourselves in the depopulation quest.

Myself and Apache will repopulate the world :lol:


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