by whufc » Tue May 16, 2023 10:38 am
by jo172 » Tue May 16, 2023 10:40 am
by The Bedge » Tue May 16, 2023 10:52 am
jo172 wrote:You assess for yourself based on your knowledge of the player's history.
Prior to the season (or for that matter in-season) you can ask the league to confirm that your assessment is accurate.
If you know you'll be on the cusp of all the points doing the latter is generally considered prudent.
Bit like filling out your tax return, up to you to be honest, but if you **** it up the audit hurts.
Dolphin Treasure wrote:Your an attention seeking embarsement..
by jo172 » Tue May 16, 2023 10:55 am
by scottroo » Tue May 16, 2023 11:08 am
by whufc » Tue May 16, 2023 11:09 am
by whufc » Tue May 16, 2023 11:10 am
scottroo wrote:APPS is overkill if you’ve already got a salary cap(and clubs abide by it) just cap the amount of transfers from one club to another. If your club is good enough to attracts players, while sticking to financial rules then let’s not stop that, in fact we should be encouraging it
by scottroo » Tue May 16, 2023 11:14 am
by Armchair expert » Tue May 16, 2023 11:54 am
by Mr Beefy » Tue May 16, 2023 11:58 am
scottroo wrote:The burden on football directors, with TPPS and APPS is too great, one mistake and the season/multiple seasons are ruined.
by Down the Hill » Tue May 16, 2023 12:10 pm
by whufc » Tue May 16, 2023 12:17 pm
Down the Hill wrote:PlayHQ or any other future system for the PlayHQ haters will unlikely ever be able to automatically determine APPS. The APPS rules are very simple if you recruit a regular A grader from another club in AdFL or elsewhere in SA but starts getting quite tricky when you consider some of the other points scenarios. eg. Whether a lad who is Under 21 has played more than 20 games at SANFL U18/Reserves level in last 2 years has a different points outcome than if they didn't; player who has played mostly B grade at another club but still played at least 5 A grade games in last 2 years will attract 1 point if they are changing leagues but 0 points if switching club in same league; and the list goes on with some of the technical aspects. But as others have said, if you are flying close to the upper limit, it is dangerous not to check with the league or SANFL Community.
The frustrating thing with AFL & SANFL banging on about volunteer fatigue and thinking it's about clubs struggling with the necessary supply of volunteers to run canteen, BBQ, boundary & goal etc. etc. which are the highly visible volunteer roles yet they are completely overlooking the invisible roles where volunteers are burning the midnight candle with Salary Cap contracts and spreadsheets, Player Points calculations and enquiries, Police Checks etc etc. These are all the things that have been thrust upon us by the same people that are expressing concern about volunteerism at clubs.
by Yungmuney » Tue May 16, 2023 12:32 pm
whufc wrote:scottroo wrote:APPS is overkill if you’ve already got a salary cap(and clubs abide by it) just cap the amount of transfers from one club to another. If your club is good enough to attracts players, while sticking to financial rules then let’s not stop that, in fact we should be encouraging it
You could argue for equalization it would be better to keep the points but have no salary cap.
With the reverse argument of that if each team has 15 points than they can possibly recruit the same amount of players...if you have positioned yourself well enough financially to attract higher quality players with more money for your 15 points than good luck to you.
Especially given the points are much easier to police than salary cap ever will be.
by Mr Beefy » Tue May 16, 2023 12:37 pm
Yungmuney wrote:whufc wrote:scottroo wrote:APPS is overkill if you’ve already got a salary cap(and clubs abide by it) just cap the amount of transfers from one club to another. If your club is good enough to attracts players, while sticking to financial rules then let’s not stop that, in fact we should be encouraging it
You could argue for equalization it would be better to keep the points but have no salary cap.
With the reverse argument of that if each team has 15 points than they can possibly recruit the same amount of players...if you have positioned yourself well enough financially to attract higher quality players with more money for your 15 points than good luck to you.
Especially given the points are much easier to police than salary cap ever will be.
Points system great in country footy. If you live in the town you’re a 0, if you’re a recruit your points etc. Not sure it holds the same merit in suburban footy with no zones etc to recruit 0 pointers from. Then you have footy factory old scholar clubs that can bring in 15 players a year but because the spend 1 term going to school there they are a 0 pointer. It’s definitely not even playing field in the city
by whufc » Tue May 16, 2023 12:39 pm
Yungmuney wrote:whufc wrote:scottroo wrote:APPS is overkill if you’ve already got a salary cap(and clubs abide by it) just cap the amount of transfers from one club to another. If your club is good enough to attracts players, while sticking to financial rules then let’s not stop that, in fact we should be encouraging it
You could argue for equalization it would be better to keep the points but have no salary cap.
With the reverse argument of that if each team has 15 points than they can possibly recruit the same amount of players...if you have positioned yourself well enough financially to attract higher quality players with more money for your 15 points than good luck to you.
Especially given the points are much easier to police than salary cap ever will be.
Points system great in country footy. If you live in the town you’re a 0, if you’re a recruit your points etc. Not sure it holds the same merit in suburban footy with no zones etc to recruit 0 pointers from. Then you have footy factory old scholar clubs that can bring in 15 players a year but because the spend 1 term going to school there they are a 0 pointer. It’s definitely not even playing field in the city
by whufc » Tue May 16, 2023 12:40 pm
Mr Beefy wrote:Yungmuney wrote:whufc wrote:scottroo wrote:APPS is overkill if you’ve already got a salary cap(and clubs abide by it) just cap the amount of transfers from one club to another. If your club is good enough to attracts players, while sticking to financial rules then let’s not stop that, in fact we should be encouraging it
You could argue for equalization it would be better to keep the points but have no salary cap.
With the reverse argument of that if each team has 15 points than they can possibly recruit the same amount of players...if you have positioned yourself well enough financially to attract higher quality players with more money for your 15 points than good luck to you.
Especially given the points are much easier to police than salary cap ever will be.
Points system great in country footy. If you live in the town you’re a 0, if you’re a recruit your points etc. Not sure it holds the same merit in suburban footy with no zones etc to recruit 0 pointers from. Then you have footy factory old scholar clubs that can bring in 15 players a year but because the spend 1 term going to school there they are a 0 pointer. It’s definitely not even playing field in the city
No wonder half the country leagues are hiding their points values....
by Yungmuney » Tue May 16, 2023 12:41 pm
Mr Beefy wrote:Yungmuney wrote:whufc wrote:scottroo wrote:APPS is overkill if you’ve already got a salary cap(and clubs abide by it) just cap the amount of transfers from one club to another. If your club is good enough to attracts players, while sticking to financial rules then let’s not stop that, in fact we should be encouraging it
You could argue for equalization it would be better to keep the points but have no salary cap.
With the reverse argument of that if each team has 15 points than they can possibly recruit the same amount of players...if you have positioned yourself well enough financially to attract higher quality players with more money for your 15 points than good luck to you.
Especially given the points are much easier to police than salary cap ever will be.
Points system great in country footy. If you live in the town you’re a 0, if you’re a recruit your points etc. Not sure it holds the same merit in suburban footy with no zones etc to recruit 0 pointers from. Then you have footy factory old scholar clubs that can bring in 15 players a year but because the spend 1 term going to school there they are a 0 pointer. It’s definitely not even playing field in the city
No wonder half the country leagues are hiding their points values....
by whufc » Tue May 16, 2023 12:43 pm
by Down the Hill » Tue May 16, 2023 1:15 pm
Yungmuney wrote:whufc wrote:scottroo wrote:APPS is overkill if you’ve already got a salary cap(and clubs abide by it) just cap the amount of transfers from one club to another. If your club is good enough to attracts players, while sticking to financial rules then let’s not stop that, in fact we should be encouraging it
You could argue for equalization it would be better to keep the points but have no salary cap.
With the reverse argument of that if each team has 15 points than they can possibly recruit the same amount of players...if you have positioned yourself well enough financially to attract higher quality players with more money for your 15 points than good luck to you.
Especially given the points are much easier to police than salary cap ever will be.
Points system great in country footy. If you live in the town you’re a 0, if you’re a recruit your points etc. Not sure it holds the same merit in suburban footy with no zones etc to recruit 0 pointers from. Then you have footy factory old scholar clubs that can bring in 15 players a year but because the spend 1 term going to school there they are a 0 pointer. It’s definitely not even playing field in the city
by Jimmy_041 » Tue May 16, 2023 1:29 pm
Yungmuney wrote:whufc wrote:scottroo wrote:APPS is overkill if you’ve already got a salary cap(and clubs abide by it) just cap the amount of transfers from one club to another. If your club is good enough to attracts players, while sticking to financial rules then let’s not stop that, in fact we should be encouraging it
You could argue for equalization it would be better to keep the points but have no salary cap.
With the reverse argument of that if each team has 15 points than they can possibly recruit the same amount of players...if you have positioned yourself well enough financially to attract higher quality players with more money for your 15 points than good luck to you.
Especially given the points are much easier to police than salary cap ever will be.
Points system great in country footy. If you live in the town you’re a 0, if you’re a recruit your points etc. Not sure it holds the same merit in suburban footy with no zones etc to recruit 0 pointers from. Then you have footy factory old scholar clubs that can bring in 15 players a year but because the spend 1 term going to school there they are a 0 pointer. It’s definitely not even playing field in the city
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