by JK » Tue Jul 04, 2023 1:40 pm
by The Dark Knight » Tue Jul 04, 2023 1:43 pm
I've thought for a while Lyon would hand it down to Travis Head but he obviously had Carey lined up.
by Corona Man » Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:23 pm
mal wrote:OK its time I set the record straight with Carey/Bairstow
England started it
1882 Australian cricketer Sammy Jones was batting in a EG V AU test match
Jones presumed the ball was dead , left his crease and was run out by W G Grace
England had a 4th innings chase of 85 to win
Fred The Demon Spofforth took 7/44 and England fell 7 runs short of the chase
The origin of the Ashes dates back to the match
by amber_fluid » Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:28 pm
JK wrote:This "Spirit of the game" stuff is BS imho, the laws of the game should dictate the required spirit.
Same with Mankading (I know Im in the minority as I fully support it) - But how it can be condemned as poor sportsmanship but batsmen trying to get head starts on runs isn't, completely bemuses me.
Ultimately with that example and Bairstow's brain fart, be in your crease when you need to and run risks when you aren't. Simple stuff.
by JK » Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:33 pm
amber_fluid wrote:JK wrote:This "Spirit of the game" stuff is BS imho, the laws of the game should dictate the required spirit.
Same with Mankading (I know Im in the minority as I fully support it) - But how it can be condemned as poor sportsmanship but batsmen trying to get head starts on runs isn't, completely bemuses me.
Ultimately with that example and Bairstow's brain fart, be in your crease when you need to and run risks when you aren't. Simple stuff.
Mankading is the batter trying to gain an advantage but Bairstow was batting in his crease and thought it was over.
Any other team except the Poms I would have called the batter back.
by amber_fluid » Tue Jul 04, 2023 2:54 pm
JK wrote:amber_fluid wrote:JK wrote:This "Spirit of the game" stuff is BS imho, the laws of the game should dictate the required spirit.
Same with Mankading (I know Im in the minority as I fully support it) - But how it can be condemned as poor sportsmanship but batsmen trying to get head starts on runs isn't, completely bemuses me.
Ultimately with that example and Bairstow's brain fart, be in your crease when you need to and run risks when you aren't. Simple stuff.
Mankading is the batter trying to gain an advantage but Bairstow was batting in his crease and thought it was over.
Any other team except the Poms I would have called the batter back.
If he'd been injured and wandered out of his crease I'd have brought him back but thats it. Not the ideal way to get a wicket I agree, but Bairstow was the ONLY player that could have ensured a dismissal was impossible.
by JK » Tue Jul 04, 2023 3:27 pm
by gazzamagoo » Tue Jul 04, 2023 3:44 pm
JK wrote:amber_fluid wrote:JK wrote:This "Spirit of the game" stuff is BS imho, the laws of the game should dictate the required spirit.
Same with Mankading (I know Im in the minority as I fully support it) - But how it can be condemned as poor sportsmanship but batsmen trying to get head starts on runs isn't, completely bemuses me.
Ultimately with that example and Bairstow's brain fart, be in your crease when you need to and run risks when you aren't. Simple stuff.
Mankading is the batter trying to gain an advantage but Bairstow was batting in his crease and thought it was over.
Any other team except the Poms I would have called the batter back.
If he'd been injured and wandered out of his crease I'd have brought him back but thats it. Not the ideal way to get a wicket I agree, but Bairstow was the ONLY player that could have ensured a dismissal was impossible.
by gazzamagoo » Tue Jul 04, 2023 3:44 pm
by RB » Tue Jul 04, 2023 4:03 pm
gazzamagoo wrote:Very unlucky way to get out
but so is getting caught down the leg side,
getting caught from a deflection from another player,
getting run out from a deflection from the bowler on his follow through,
getting run out by your batting partner without facing a ball,
do we call them back too?
by MW » Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:01 pm
gazzamagoo wrote:If Carey was keeping up would he have left the crease?
No?
Why Not?
BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN STUMPED.
by am Bays » Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:08 pm
MW wrote:gazzamagoo wrote:If Carey was keeping up would he have left the crease?
No?
Why Not?
BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN STUMPED.
I have sympathy both ways here.
The fact he kept in the crease, scratched guard, then left leans me towards it being the wrong decision. If he ducked the bouncer, looked around and walked out to pressure a run, then fair game.
by Jimmy_041 » Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:08 pm
MW wrote:gazzamagoo wrote:If Carey was keeping up would he have left the crease?
No?
Why Not?
BECAUSE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN STUMPED.
I have sympathy both ways here.
The fact he kept in the crease, scratched guard, then left leans me towards it being the wrong decision. If he ducked the bouncer, looked around and walked out to pressure a run, then fair game.
by Aerie » Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:13 pm
by gazzamagoo » Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:18 pm
Aerie wrote:Commonsense would say that the Starc catch should be out and the Bairstow stumping should be not out. The letter of the law says otherwise and I understand the 3rd umpire has to go by it. It wouldn't take much to adjust the laws to say otherwise. Starc clearly caught it in every way and he didn't use the ground to assist him in taking the catch. What is the difference between taking the ball two hands and throwing it in the air and taking the ball with two hands and shifting it to his left as he braced himself to hit the ground. The ball at no stage spilled or bobbled. Bairstow had ducked under the bouncer, already in his crease, marked his crease and walked out to do some gardening and meet his partner mid-pitch. Granted, he did it in Fast Forward. For me, commonsense says he's shouldn't be out for that.
However, it is all about context. The fact that Starc's catch was disallowed the evening before on a technicality. The fact that Bairstow had tried to do exactly the same thing on day 3 to Labuschagne and had also tried to get Head out when he almost walked out of his crease and said to Head he would've claimed his wicket. The arrogance of the English with this Bazball cult. The situation of the game and the series.
Carey did nothing sneaky. He caught the ball and immediately threw it, Bairstow still in his crease. Bairstow's habit of walking off quickly without consideration of what was happening behind him and Carey's skill to hit the stumps gave the 3rd umpire no choice. If Cummins withdraws the appeal, what does that do for team morale and how does that make Carey feel. I am glad Cummins stuck to his guns and am comfortable with how the Australians handled it. Don't give them an inch. I think the English are hypocritical and the way the crowd at the ground and in the long room acted was moronic. The Spirit of Cricket is a thing, but England, Stokes and McCullum haven't displayed that and calling Australia out on it is pretty pathetic.
Can't wait for Headingley.
by batmanbegins » Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:24 pm
gazzamagoo wrote:Aerie wrote:Commonsense would say that the Starc catch should be out and the Bairstow stumping should be not out. The letter of the law says otherwise and I understand the 3rd umpire has to go by it. It wouldn't take much to adjust the laws to say otherwise. Starc clearly caught it in every way and he didn't use the ground to assist him in taking the catch. What is the difference between taking the ball two hands and throwing it in the air and taking the ball with two hands and shifting it to his left as he braced himself to hit the ground. The ball at no stage spilled or bobbled. Bairstow had ducked under the bouncer, already in his crease, marked his crease and walked out to do some gardening and meet his partner mid-pitch. Granted, he did it in Fast Forward. For me, commonsense says he's shouldn't be out for that.
However, it is all about context. The fact that Starc's catch was disallowed the evening before on a technicality. The fact that Bairstow had tried to do exactly the same thing on day 3 to Labuschagne and had also tried to get Head out when he almost walked out of his crease and said to Head he would've claimed his wicket. The arrogance of the English with this Bazball cult. The situation of the game and the series.
Carey did nothing sneaky. He caught the ball and immediately threw it, Bairstow still in his crease. Bairstow's habit of walking off quickly without consideration of what was happening behind him and Carey's skill to hit the stumps gave the 3rd umpire no choice. If Cummins withdraws the appeal, what does that do for team morale and how does that make Carey feel. I am glad Cummins stuck to his guns and am comfortable with how the Australians handled it. Don't give them an inch. I think the English are hypocritical and the way the crowd at the ground and in the long room acted was moronic. The Spirit of Cricket is a thing, but England, Stokes and McCullum haven't displayed that and calling Australia out on it is pretty pathetic.
Can't wait for Headingley.
The perfect retort, send this to the MCC.
by whufc » Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:24 pm
Aerie wrote:Commonsense would say that the Starc catch should be out and the Bairstow stumping should be not out. The letter of the law says otherwise and I understand the 3rd umpire has to go by it. It wouldn't take much to adjust the laws to say otherwise. Starc clearly caught it in every way and he didn't use the ground to assist him in taking the catch. What is the difference between taking the ball two hands and throwing it in the air and taking the ball with two hands and shifting it to his left as he braced himself to hit the ground. The ball at no stage spilled or bobbled. Bairstow had ducked under the bouncer, already in his crease, marked his crease and walked out to do some gardening and meet his partner mid-pitch. Granted, he did it in Fast Forward. For me, commonsense says he's shouldn't be out for that.
However, it is all about context. The fact that Starc's catch was disallowed the evening before on a technicality. The fact that Bairstow had tried to do exactly the same thing on day 3 to Labuschagne and had also tried to get Head out when he almost walked out of his crease and said to Head he would've claimed his wicket. The arrogance of the English with this Bazball cult. The situation of the game and the series.
Carey did nothing sneaky. He caught the ball and immediately threw it, Bairstow still in his crease. Bairstow's habit of walking off quickly without consideration of what was happening behind him and Carey's skill to hit the stumps gave the 3rd umpire no choice. If Cummins withdraws the appeal, what does that do for team morale and how does that make Carey feel. I am glad Cummins stuck to his guns and am comfortable with how the Australians handled it. Don't give them an inch. I think the English are hypocritical and the way the crowd at the ground and in the long room acted was moronic. The Spirit of Cricket is a thing, but England, Stokes and McCullum haven't displayed that and calling Australia out on it is pretty pathetic.
Can't wait for Headingley.
by locky801 » Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:17 pm
by spell_check » Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:46 pm
by heater31 » Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:57 pm
Wonder what Mr Stokes's would have done the previous week if Trav wasn't smarter than ol mate Jonny!spell_check wrote:https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/bloody-oath-i-would-travis-head-accuses-bairstow-of-ashes-hypocrisy/news-story/689e268def518f2706ee8e36dbd741e4
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