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Re: Ashes 2023

by Vamos » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:43 am

stan wrote:Fair career by Broad. Could have kept going in my opinion as he has been bowling well but obviously he knows how his body is going.


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Re: Ashes 2023

by locky801 » Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:55 am

Brodlach wrote:Stuart Broad announces his retirement from Test cricket


Warner immediately unretires ;)


Broad going out whilst still well on top of his game as well, good luck to him
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Re: Ashes 2023

by stan » Sun Jul 30, 2023 9:13 am

You would think Anderson can't be far off, he hasn't looked himself lately and I reckon it's almost time for him.
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Re: Ashes 2023

by batmanbegins » Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:23 am

stan wrote:
whufc wrote:
stan wrote:
whufc wrote:So bazball is effective and sustainable against the number one team in the world.
It will be interesting to see how it goes in India and also wheb they come done to Australia.

It looks like it has been effective, they have batted well so far.


India is going to be intriguing.

Not sure how that could go. Often batsmen become sitting ducks in India getting lbw or inside edges to close fielders. That won’t happen with this English side that’s for sure.
I recall some time ago when England last won in India, it was actually the attacking style thst did the trick. I recall Kevin Pieterson playing well in that series.

Definitely going to be an interesting series.


I think our batting will be ok but we won't be able to bowl them out cheaply enough with our lack of spinners. In 2012 we had swann and Monty in there prime.
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Re: Ashes 2023

by batmanbegins » Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:27 am

whufc wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
whufc wrote:So bazball is effective and sustainable against the number one team in the world.
And still going to leave empty handed.
We would beat them 4-0 over here and the only the crap Sydney weather would prevent it being a whitewash


I don’t know you could make a case aussie pitches will suit bazball more

The ball is definitely in Australia’s half of the court to find a method to bowl against the attacking style.


For the first time in a long time I think this is actually wrong. These have been the flattest pitches in a decade in england and we have been more then competive which I didn't think was possible. We wouldn't be favourites but we'd be much more competitive.
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Re: Ashes 2023

by northerner » Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:48 am

Agree re the flat decks.

It's our batsmen who have been awful this series. Had 4 of the top 10 ranked bats and not one tonned up twice.

2 all for the series and we retain the Ashes. But fair call to say the Poms have been the better team, particularly since Wood and Woakes came in and Carey clocked out.
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Re: Ashes 2023

by Lightning McQueen » Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:02 am

Jim05 wrote:
whufc wrote:So bazball is effective and sustainable against the number one team in the world.
And still going to finish the series empty handed.
We would beat them 4-0 over here and the only the crap Sydney weather would prevent it being a whitewash

We were very lucky, outplayed for the majority of the sessions.

If they picked a team of the series I couldn’t see it being inundated with too many Aussies.

They had the better batters and the better bowlers, their keeper was more useful than ours too, the stumping wrecked him, won’t really matter as he’ll never have to go there again. He will come home and smash up the minnows like the rest of our downhill skiers
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Re: Ashes 2023

by Armchair expert » Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:06 am

So annoying they had months to prepare for "bazball" and they shit the bed constantly after a couple of boundaries.
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Re: Ashes 2023

by Lightning McQueen » Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:16 am

northerner wrote:Agree re the flat decks.

It's our batsmen who have been awful this series. Had 4 of the top 10 ranked bats and not one tonned up twice.

2 all for the series and we retain the Ashes. But fair call to say the Poms have been the better team, particularly since Wood and Woakes came in and Carey clocked out.

I’d love to see the performance ratings of all the players for the series.
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Re: Ashes 2023

by Lightning McQueen » Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:17 am

Armchair expert wrote:So annoying they had months to prepare for "bazball" and they shit the bed constantly after a couple of boundaries.

We were like rabbits in the headlights
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Re: Ashes 2023

by stampy » Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:36 am

all i can say is thank f*** for the rain in manchester
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Re: Ashes 2023

by RB » Sun Jul 30, 2023 11:51 am

Missed last night. Sounds like we were bowling short half the time. What's the definition of insanity again?

Still, if our batsmen can all click at once...
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Re: Ashes 2023

by Vamos » Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:10 pm

That's all it takes, one final dig. Saying that though, Broaderson will likely put on another 30 or 40 for the last.
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Re: Ashes 2023

by amber_fluid » Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:15 pm

Maybe Warner can put on a quick fire 100 before he sails off into the sunset!
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Re: Ashes 2023

by batmanbegins » Sun Jul 30, 2023 12:54 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
northerner wrote:Agree re the flat decks.

It's our batsmen who have been awful this series. Had 4 of the top 10 ranked bats and not one tonned up twice.

2 all for the series and we retain the Ashes. But fair call to say the Poms have been the better team, particularly since Wood and Woakes came in and Carey clocked out.

I’d love to see the performance ratings of all the players for the series.


If you go by current averages it would go as below for the best 11 of the series (8 English & 3 aussies);

Crawley
Uzzi
Marnus
Root
Brook
Stokes
Bairstow
Woakes
Starc
Wood
Broad

Lyon would make the team obviously if he didnt get hurt. You can argue Carey over Jonny for the glovework and Head and Brook are pretty even. I cant beleive cummins is averaging 37 with the ball, didnt feel that way.
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Re: Ashes 2023

by mighty_tiger_79 » Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:46 pm

whufc wrote:So bazball is effective and sustainable against the number one team in the world.

It's making a solid case for 4 day tests...
Bazball has been effective cos Cummins and co have no plans
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Re: Ashes 2023

by mal » Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:23 pm

19 England wickets have fallen
13 wickets to STARc and Murphy
They have both done well v Bazball this series
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Re: Ashes 2023

by The Dark Knight » Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:29 pm

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Re: Ashes 2023

by whufc » Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:37 pm

batmanbegins wrote:
whufc wrote:
Jim05 wrote:
whufc wrote:So bazball is effective and sustainable against the number one team in the world.
And still going to leave empty handed.
We would beat them 4-0 over here and the only the crap Sydney weather would prevent it being a whitewash


I don’t know you could make a case aussie pitches will suit bazball more

The ball is definitely in Australia’s half of the court to find a method to bowl against the attacking style.


For the first time in a long time I think this is actually wrong. These have been the flattest pitches in a decade in england and we have been more then competive which I didn't think was possible. We wouldn't be favourites but we'd be much more competitive.


Yeah you might be right regarding the pitches.
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Re: Ashes 2023

by Brodlach » Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:41 pm

Time for the batsmen to put their big boy pants on and put their heads down and play well for the first time in this series
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