bye bye Mr Rudd

[topsywaldron]

No one talked about capped loans

And no one talks about all the people who were laughing during the eighties as they collected huge interest payments from their bank thanks to the great rates. Self funded retirees LOVED the Keating adminsitration...

[mick]

No one talked about capped loans

And no one talks about all the people who were laughing during the eighties as they collected huge interest payments from their bank thanks to the great rates. Self funded retirees LOVED the Keating adminsitration...

Thats true, I quite enjoyed the 1980s I saw my house price triple in about six years, it all fell into a hole for labor in the 1990s. What it boils down to is that if you remain employed , have been smart enough to buy your own house, you can weather the economic storm. The people who are not in this possition remain in poverty effectively forever. I ask you this question what will the Rudd government do for these people? not much I suggest, modern labor is a far cry from the welfare philosphy of the Whitlam and dare I say Fraser regimes. The 21st century is a much harder place, a Rudd government won't be giving out too many free rides. Part of Rudd's appeal is his conservative, honest and sensible image, much like Howard enjoyed in 1996.

[BenchedEagle]

too many lefty radicals got a free ride during the Whitlam and Fraser governments.

It may surprise u mate that not all leftie Uni students are radical. Im not. Im passionate about my side but i dont go to the extremes for not showering and violent protesting. I dont ever want a free ride but for me coming from the back streets of Elizabeth North with no support from parents or anyone, trying to go to Uni and get a degree is nearly made impossible. Cant support myself on government allowance to go full time. Cant afford not to work FT just to pay for petrol, food, bills, support my daughter. I consider myself a good person and i think i would be a great teacher who wants to work in low socioeconomic schools to support kids growin up with the same hardships that i had. But it looks like i wont finish my degree because i just cant afford to. So thats why i hate Howard so much, he can take a dive of a shallow jetty as far as im concerned. Despise the man

[mick]

too many lefty radicals got a free ride during the Whitlam and Fraser governments.

It may surprise u mate that not all leftie Uni students are radical. Im not. Im passionate about my side but i dont go to the extremes for not showering and violent protesting. I dont ever want a free ride but for me coming from the back streets of Elizabeth North with no support from parents or anyone, trying to go to Uni and get a degree is nearly made impossible. Cant support myself on government allowance to go full time. Cant afford not to work FT just to pay for petrol, food, bills, support my daughter. I consider myself a good person and i think i would be a great teacher who wants to work in low socioeconomic schools to support kids growin up with the same hardships that i had. But it looks like i wont finish my degree because i just cant afford to. So thats why i hate Howard so much, he can take a dive of a shallow jetty as far as im concerned. Despise the man

You should blame Keating and Hawke they reintroduced fees

[our_longreach]

too many lefty radicals got a free ride during the Whitlam and Fraser governments.

It may surprise u mate that not all leftie Uni students are radical. Im not. Im passionate about my side but i dont go to the extremes for not showering and violent protesting. I dont ever want a free ride but for me coming from the back streets of Elizabeth North with no support from parents or anyone, trying to go to Uni and get a degree is nearly made impossible. Cant support myself on government allowance to go full time. Cant afford not to work FT just to pay for petrol, food, bills, support my daughter. I consider myself a good person and i think i would be a great teacher who wants to work in low socioeconomic schools to support kids growin up with the same hardships that i had. But it looks like i wont finish my degree because i just cant afford to. So thats why i hate Howard so much, he can take a dive of a shallow jetty as far as im concerned. Despise the man

What will Rudd do to appease your situation?

[BenchedEagle]

too many lefty radicals got a free ride during the Whitlam and Fraser governments.

It may surprise u mate that not all leftie Uni students are radical. Im not. Im passionate about my side but i dont go to the extremes for not showering and violent protesting. I dont ever want a free ride but for me coming from the back streets of Elizabeth North with no support from parents or anyone, trying to go to Uni and get a degree is nearly made impossible. Cant support myself on government allowance to go full time. Cant afford not to work FT just to pay for petrol, food, bills, support my daughter. I consider myself a good person and i think i would be a great teacher who wants to work in low socioeconomic schools to support kids growin up with the same hardships that i had. But it looks like i wont finish my degree because i just cant afford to. So thats why i hate Howard so much, he can take a dive of a shallow jetty as far as im concerned. Despise the man

What will Rudd do to appease your situation?

When he announces exactly what his higher education policys i will tell u. Education is up there but bigger prioritys for me are treatment of Australian Citizens, blind support of THE Evil empire! Getting out of meanlingness wars, more neutral foreign ploicy, Addressing the REAL issue of climate change, IR laws(yes, dont affect me as such atm, but are too extreme and need to be rolled back, as difficult as it would be) as well as other policys that are way more alligned to my beleifs.

[our_longreach]

too many lefty radicals got a free ride during the Whitlam and Fraser governments.

It may surprise u mate that not all leftie Uni students are radical. Im not. Im passionate about my side but i dont go to the extremes for not showering and violent protesting. I dont ever want a free ride but for me coming from the back streets of Elizabeth North with no support from parents or anyone, trying to go to Uni and get a degree is nearly made impossible. Cant support myself on government allowance to go full time. Cant afford not to work FT just to pay for petrol, food, bills, support my daughter. I consider myself a good person and i think i would be a great teacher who wants to work in low socioeconomic schools to support kids growin up with the same hardships that i had. But it looks like i wont finish my degree because i just cant afford to. So thats why i hate Howard so much, he can take a dive of a shallow jetty as far as im concerned. Despise the man

What will Rudd do to appease your situation?

When he announces exactly what his higher education policys i will tell u...

So in other words you don't know??

[BenchedEagle]

too many lefty radicals got a free ride during the Whitlam and Fraser governments.

It may surprise u mate that not all leftie Uni students are radical. Im not. Im passionate about my side but i dont go to the extremes for not showering and violent protesting. I dont ever want a free ride but for me coming from the back streets of Elizabeth North with no support from parents or anyone, trying to go to Uni and get a degree is nearly made impossible. Cant support myself on government allowance to go full time. Cant afford not to work FT just to pay for petrol, food, bills, support my daughter. I consider myself a good person and i think i would be a great teacher who wants to work in low socioeconomic schools to support kids growin up with the same hardships that i had. But it looks like i wont finish my degree because i just cant afford to. So thats why i hate Howard so much, he can take a dive of a shallow jetty as far as im concerned. Despise the man

What will Rudd do to appease your situation?

When he announces exactly what his higher education policys i will tell u...

So in other words you don't know??

Well seeing as we have a new leader and no policies have been officially announced. No one knows do they. But i guarantee ill be better off under Rudd. Piss off this voluntary student union crap. We cant even continue the UniSa footy tipping because of it!!!! hahaha. That was the sealer for me being against it.

[mick]

too many lefty radicals got a free ride during the Whitlam and Fraser governments.

It may surprise u mate that not all leftie Uni students are radical. Im not. Im passionate about my side but i dont go to the extremes for not showering and violent protesting. I dont ever want a free ride but for me coming from the back streets of Elizabeth North with no support from parents or anyone, trying to go to Uni and get a degree is nearly made impossible. Cant support myself on government allowance to go full time. Cant afford not to work FT just to pay for petrol, food, bills, support my daughter. I consider myself a good person and i think i would be a great teacher who wants to work in low socioeconomic schools to support kids growin up with the same hardships that i had. But it looks like i wont finish my degree because i just cant afford to. So thats why i hate Howard so much, he can take a dive of a shallow jetty as far as im concerned. Despise the man

What will Rudd do to appease your situation?

When he announces exactly what his higher education policys i will tell u...

So in other words you don't know??

Well seeing as we have a new leader and no policies have been officially announced. No one knows do they. But i guarantee ill be better off under Rudd. Piss off this voluntary student union crap. We cant even continue the UniSa footy tipping because of it!!!! hahaha. That was the sealer for me being against it.

Apparently the paying of fees is now voluntary Duncs. Did you pay yours or did you take advantage of this new found freedom?

[PhilG]

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[Magpiespower]

Fear not, Phil - Brian Burke will not cost Labor the election.

It's a State issue, not Federal.

Despite the blue bloods desperate efforts to make it one...

Apparently the paying of fees is now voluntary Duncs.

News to me!

One can make voluntary contributions to pay off their fees quicker and at the same time receive a discount.

But you still get slugged for your HECS debt regardless...

[PhilG]

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[McAlmanac]

The average voter doesn't give a stuff about Brian Burke - just as they don't give a stuff about David Hicks.

"What's in it for me?" That's the only issue.

[BenchedEagle]

Fear not, Phil - Brian Burke will not cost Labor the election.

It's a State issue, not Federal.

Despite the blue bloods desperate efforts to make it one...

Sorry, MP, but because it's on the national stage, it's a problem. Burke's lobbying influence - because of the media coverage - has expanded.

It has to be nipped in the bud and quickly. The ALP needs to win seats in WA, not lose them.

Polling shows 4/5 dont care about the Burke scandal. So forget about it.
All this mud slinging from the Liberals has backfired. Forget Burke forget Thomson we are untouchable at the moment.
Polls are looking like a landslide if election was tomorow. Polls havent been this good since Keating flogged Hewson on the 1st GST election. Thats massive.
Its coming guys. Labor in power!

[PhilG]

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[Wedgie]

Polling shows 4/5 dont care about the Burke scandal.

When you only need a small % swing to win office 1/5ths of the electorate is a hell of a lot!

[mick]

Lizbeff, Keating didn't flog Hewson at all. It was a narrow win with only a 1.8% increase in the ALP's advantage.

Andrew Bolt got it right on Agenda this afternoon. The seed has been sown. It might not be showing yet, but it will if it isn't dealt with.

Mac - what you said is precisely why I said after the last election that the majority of Australians (those who voted for Howard) were greedy. I hope you aren't approving of that because that sort of thinking is what is getting the social fabric of this country into a bind.

Nothing wrong with a bit of greed Phil, it's what gets things done. When the socialist workers paradises existed in the eastern bloc most people lived in poverty and dare I say misery. Modern Zimbabwe and North Korea are great examples of socialism in action today. Some though not all (thank god) in the ALP tend to see no-hopers as some sort of national asset. It's a long way to the next election, with a federal budget and a cashed up government. Can votes be bought?

[McAlmanac]

Andrew Bolt got it right on Agenda this afternoon. The seed has been sown. It might not be showing yet, but it will if it isn't dealt with.

Andrew Bolt (not to be confused with Coorong - two totally separate people) is a commentator who doesn't give credit where it is due to the side of politics to which he does not belong. Hence, his opinions are a bit hard to swallow because you can't be sure whether he's right or being biased. I'd be far more inclined to rely on opinions from Michelle Grattan, Matt Price and (hic) Glenn Milne - political journalists, not cheer squad members.

[McAlmanac]

Mick posted while I was typing, so - yes, votes can be bought. I don't advocate it - it is a reality.

[Psyber]

too many lefty radicals got a free ride during the Whitlam and Fraser governments.

It may surprise u mate that not all leftie Uni students are radical. Im not. Im passionate about my side but i dont go to the extremes for not showering and violent protesting. I dont ever want a free ride but for me coming from the back streets of Elizabeth North with no support from parents or anyone, trying to go to Uni and get a degree is nearly made impossible. Cant support myself on government allowance to go full time. Cant afford not to work FT just to pay for petrol, food, bills, support my daughter. I consider myself a good person and i think i would be a great teacher who wants to work in low socioeconomic schools to support kids growin up with the same hardships that i had. But it looks like i wont finish my degree because i just cant afford to. So thats why i hate Howard so much, he can take a dive of a shallow jetty as far as im concerned. Despise the man

On the other hand under Whitlam's free University scheme the Universities ran up token courses to get the numbers for the capitation fees up, and, I am told, most BA course tutorial groups become a shambles as the borderline schizophrenics bounced their thought disorder off each other creating total non-sequitors. [I am relying on friends and acquaintances for this information - I didn't do a BA myself, and wasn't at Uni during that period.]

I do agree though that the present set up has gone too far in the other direction. Perhaps Bob Menzies had it right. The Universities were totally independent and set their own fees, and the federal government provided scholarships and living allowances to those whose academic results were good enough. It kept up Uni standards because the standards and reputation of the university attracted paying students, and the scholarships required you to keep passing. [And the scholarships were a Bob Menzies invention - previous Labor governments did not provide them.]