AFL Round 9 Discussion

[daysofourlives]

GC 10.5
Stk 3.4

What a crap weekend of footy. my SANFL team lose to an AFL ressies side, and then the Saints are getting obliterated by the AFL's pet project.

Feel for you there.
Both of your sides have been screwed over.
Hopefully once their concessions disappear all the young talent at the Suns and Giants wont be able to fit into the cap and players start filtering back to the Melbourne clubs

What crap Jim, St Kilda have screwed themselves over and deserve what they are copping now

[bennymacca]

GC 10.5
Stk 3.4

What a crap weekend of footy. my SANFL team lose to an AFL ressies side, and then the Saints are getting obliterated by the AFL's pet project.

boo hoo

[Jim05]

GC 10.5
Stk 3.4

What a crap weekend of footy. my SANFL team lose to an AFL ressies side, and then the Saints are getting obliterated by the AFL's pet project.

Feel for you there.
Both of your sides have been screwed over.
Hopefully once their concessions disappear all the young talent at the Suns and Giants wont be able to fit into the cap and players start filtering back to the Melbourne clubs

What crap Jim, St Kilda have screwed themselves over and deserve what they are copping now

No doubt they have made mistakes but the allowances made to the two new sides was far too great. Andy D pushed the concessions through hastily to fatten his wallet. I for one cant wait until the other clubs start taking players back off them, no way they can fit them all in the cap

[saintal]

GC 10.5
Stk 3.4

What a crap weekend of footy. my SANFL team lose to an AFL ressies side, and then the Saints are getting obliterated by the AFL's pet project.

boo hoo

Glad you enjoy supporting compromised sporting comps. Anyway lets not open that can of worms yet again..

St Kilda are rubbish yes, but watching the GC winning games is a hollow feeling.

[daysofourlives]

GC 10.5
Stk 3.4

What a crap weekend of footy. my SANFL team lose to an AFL ressies side, and then the Saints are getting obliterated by the AFL's pet project.

Feel for you there.
Both of your sides have been screwed over.
Hopefully once their concessions disappear all the young talent at the Suns and Giants wont be able to fit into the cap and players start filtering back to the Melbourne clubs

What crap Jim, St Kilda have screwed themselves over and deserve what they are copping now

No doubt they have made mistakes but the allowances made to the two new sides was far too great. Andy D pushed the concessions through hastily to fatten his wallet. I for one cant wait until the other clubs start taking players back off them, no way they can fit them all in the cap

Dont know about that Jim, simply put Ablett in your team and think you might be ok too

[Jim05]

Yeah but he is a freak, leave him out of it.
Best player in the comp by so much it aint funny.
But looking through the Suns side they will be a force to be reckoned with, scary to think guys like O'Meary could be as good as GAJ and have 15-20 years left in the game, some of their talls are super impressive.
They are a very good side to watch and will get a taste of finals this year

BTW 5 Gary Abletts wouldnt make us competitive lol

[daysofourlives]

Yeah fantastic to watch along with Port

[bennymacca]

GC 10.5
Stk 3.4

What a crap weekend of footy. my SANFL team lose to an AFL ressies side, and then the Saints are getting obliterated by the AFL's pet project.

Feel for you there.
Both of your sides have been screwed over.
Hopefully once their concessions disappear all the young talent at the Suns and Giants wont be able to fit into the cap and players start filtering back to the Melbourne clubs

What crap Jim, St Kilda have screwed themselves over and deserve what they are copping now

No doubt they have made mistakes but the allowances made to the two new sides was far too great. Andy D pushed the concessions through hastily to fatten his wallet. I for one cant wait until the other clubs start taking players back off them, no way they can fit them all in the cap

its the first time in 4 years they have even come close to a 50% win loss ratio and you are writing them off as being too strong? lol.

what were they supposed to do? give them nothing at all and watch them get pumped for 15 years?

st kilda had their change a few years ago and blew it. and because they didnt blood any youngsters over the past few years they are paying the price, because now you still rely on the old blokes, but the younger ones arent ready yet.

[Jim05]

How about giving them the same concessions West Coast, Freo, Crows and Port got. Those clubs would have had plenty more flags by now with those rules.
The AFL went too far with the concessions as they needed these clubs to be competitive in the shortest period possible.
It was always going to take 4-5 years but with the young talent they have been gifted they are both poised to have long periods of dominance which flies in the face of the AFL's other rules of evening out the comp

[bennymacca]

How about giving them the same concessions West Coast, Freo, Crows and Port got. Those clubs would have had plenty more flags by now with those rules.
The AFL went too far with the concessions as they needed these clubs to be competitive in the shortest period possible.
It was always going to take 4-5 years but with the young talent they have been gifted they are both poised to have long periods of dominance which flies in the face of the AFL's other rules of evening out the comp

those clubs were very different because they came from football states, where they could build a team that would be instantly competitive from mostly state league players, which is what happened with all of the WA and SA clubs.

GC and GWS are very different than that as they dont have that existing base, they are looking to build that base through the presence of a team. Hence why they needed different rules.

and similar to the SANFL discussion, all of the clubs agreed on the draft concessions given to the new teams...

[saintal]

3/4 time:

St K 10.7
GC 17.8

Better term from the home side. GC looked a little complacent at times but finished off the term ok. Entertaining game despite the score-line.

[bennymacca]

not watching, but just looking at the stats, doesnt seem to be a lot of accountability in both directons...

[Jim05]

How about giving them the same concessions West Coast, Freo, Crows and Port got. Those clubs would have had plenty more flags by now with those rules.
The AFL went too far with the concessions as they needed these clubs to be competitive in the shortest period possible.
It was always going to take 4-5 years but with the young talent they have been gifted they are both poised to have long periods of dominance which flies in the face of the AFL's other rules of evening out the comp

those clubs were very different because they came from football states, where they could build a team that would be instantly competitive from mostly state league players, which is what happened with all of the WA and SA clubs.

GC and GWS are very different than that as they dont have that existing base, they are looking to build that base through the presence of a team. Hence why they needed different rules.

and similar to the SANFL discussion, all of the clubs agreed on the draft concessions given to the new teams...

Dont think you are correct on ALL clubs agreeing, for memory there were several clubs thats voiced their concern that the concessions were too great especially with GWS who got an even better deal than the Suns. Much like the SANFL debate though too many clubs needed the promised revenue set to be distributed to them thanks to new TV deals.
As ive said I have no problem with them getting a leg up to start but they went a bit too far IMO, I guess we will see in 10 years time if it was wise or not

[whufc]

How about giving them the same concessions West Coast, Freo, Crows and Port got. Those clubs would have had plenty more flags by now with those rules.
The AFL went too far with the concessions as they needed these clubs to be competitive in the shortest period possible.
It was always going to take 4-5 years but with the young talent they have been gifted they are both poised to have long periods of dominance which flies in the face of the AFL's other rules of evening out the comp

those clubs were very different because they came from football states, where they could build a team that would be instantly competitive from mostly state league players, which is what happened with all of the WA and SA clubs.

GC and GWS are very different than that as they dont have that existing base, they are looking to build that base through the presence of a team. Hence why they needed different rules.

and similar to the SANFL discussion, all of the clubs agreed on the draft concessions given to the new teams...

With the AFL influences on so many aspects of the game (fixtures, handouts etc etc) what other way could the clubs have voted to Andy D's proposal

[Red Rocket]

How about giving them the same concessions West Coast, Freo, Crows and Port got. Those clubs would have had plenty more flags by now with those rules.
The AFL went too far with the concessions as they needed these clubs to be competitive in the shortest period possible.
It was always going to take 4-5 years but with the young talent they have been gifted they are both poised to have long periods of dominance which flies in the face of the AFL's other rules of evening out the comp

those clubs were very different because they came from football states, where they could build a team that would be instantly competitive from mostly state league players, which is what happened with all of the WA and SA clubs.

GC and GWS are very different than that as they dont have that existing base, they are looking to build that base through the presence of a team. Hence why they needed different rules.

and similar to the SANFL discussion, all of the clubs agreed on the draft concessions given to the new teams...

Dont agree Benny, they have been offered far too much concessions in my view.
The AFL is so hell bent on blowing millions in areas that dont give a crap about footy whilst ignoring the heartland of football.
I understand there is no money in playing footy at NT or Tassie but these areas deserve sides long before the GC or another Sydney side.
They are pumping millions into areas that will never attract a crowd, if all the AFL are worried about is having 9 games a week on TV then a Tassie and NT side is a better choice. We have seen how the NE states treat footy, the Lions won 3 flags in a row and and less than 10 years later are broke and attract 10 cats and a dog each week whilst in Sydney their crowds are ordinary even when they are winning.
Im sorry I just dont get why Demetriou was so hell bent on blowing so much money on those 2 clubs

[whufc]

Those two clubs was purely for the TV rights

Much bigger audience by trying to capture more of Sydney and GC rather than capture the NT and Tassie which already is a captured audience.

I 100% Tasmania deserved a side without doubt

[bennymacca]

Those two clubs was purely for the TV rights

Much bigger audience by trying to capture more of Sydney and GC rather than capture the NT and Tassie which already is a captured audience.

I 100% Tasmania deserved a side without doubt

yeah agree with all of that. no doubt they deserve a side, but it doesnt make economic sense given they already get 6 games a year or whatever it is as it is.

[Jim05]

Those two clubs was purely for the TV rights

Much bigger audience by trying to capture more of Sydney and GC rather than capture the NT and Tassie which already is a captured audience.

I 100% Tasmania deserved a side without doubt

Yeah agree with that.
The worry is though how long the AFL will have to keep propping up those sides, cant ever see a day when they will be financially viable

[daysofourlives]

Those two clubs was purely for the TV rights

Much bigger audience by trying to capture more of Sydney and GC rather than capture the NT and Tassie which already is a captured audience.

I 100% Tasmania deserved a side without doubt

Yeah agree with that.
The worry is though how long the AFL will have to keep propping up those sides, cant ever see a day when they will be financially viable

Have to look at a bit different Jim, they are already financially viable as they bring the extra $$$ in TV rights

[Jim05]

Those two clubs was purely for the TV rights

Much bigger audience by trying to capture more of Sydney and GC rather than capture the NT and Tassie which already is a captured audience.

I 100% Tasmania deserved a side without doubt

yeah agree with all of that. no doubt they deserve a side, but it doesnt make economic sense given they already get 6 games a year or whatever it is as it is.

I think Hawthorn treat Tassie with respect but not sure the Roos do. The crowds are pretty poor down there, do you think if they had their own side down there every second week they would pack their stadiums?
I think a lot of Tassie people just see it as a gimmick and not their own side, they are a fairly proud state and reckon they would attract good crowds, obviously the corporate sponsorship is a concern. Not sure if there are enough $$ down there