Australia v Windies - Test series

[stampy]

not again ffs

[locky801]

terrible cricket Australia

[whufc]

Another wicket on a no ball

I'm interested if there could be the theory that the extra point whatever of a second the ball reaches the batter quicker from the lesser distance makes a huge difference

[RB]

I wonder if that's ever happened three times in a test match before?

Hard to have any sympathy for the bowlers.

[whufc]

terrible cricket Australia

Agree

I do think though that if they are going to check every wicket for a no ball than the third umpire should check every ball for a no ball and relay the message to the central umpire if there is one, even if that's when the bowler is walking back to his mark

[whufc]

Good sesh by the Windies!!!

I hope they take this to a fifth day

[Lightning McQueen]

Another wicket on a no ball

I'm interested if there could be the theory that the extra point whatever of a second the ball reaches the batter quicker from the lesser distance makes a huge difference

I don't get what you mean? You go over the line, you are cheating, it is a distinct advantage.

[Dutchy]

Another wicket on a no ball

I'm interested if there could be the theory that the extra point whatever of a second the ball reaches the batter quicker from the lesser distance makes a huge difference

Agree, people say they took a wicket on a no ball, but if the ball was delivered legally who's to say there wouldn't be a different result, especially with edges which come down to millimetres.

[Lightning McQueen]

Another wicket on a no ball

I'm interested if there could be the theory that the extra point whatever of a second the ball reaches the batter quicker from the lesser distance makes a huge difference

Agree, people say they took a wicket on a no ball, but if the ball was delivered legally who's to say there wouldn't be a different result, especially with edges which come down to millimetres.

Where do you draw the line of what is acceptable or not then?

There's a pretty distinguished white line that you are meant to release the ball from, players try so hard to crib as much as they can that they fail to keep any part of their foot behind it, plain stupidity and no excuse at this level.

[JK]

Don't think Whoofer is disagreeing with you bud. Think what he's trying to say is that people claim wickets were lost due to no balls, but perhaps the additional cribbing might have made a difference to the batsmans ability to defend? Would think it unlikely in most cases, but noone would ever know with %100 certainty.

[mighty_tiger_79]

it is poor bowling from Australia.

The bowling coach needs to take some responsibility for the actions.

but the question is also, what are the umpires doing?

how many no-balls are they missing??

its becoming lazy cricket

[Dutchy]

A bit like in footy when someone says hitting the post late in the game cost them the win cause they lost by 3 points, but if its a goal the ball goes back to the centre and the game plays out differently from what happens when it is kicked out from full back. (Unless it is the last kick of the game )

[Dutchy]

it is poor bowling from Australia.

The bowling coach needs to take some responsibility for the actions.

but the question is also, what are the umpires doing?

how many no-balls are they missing??

its becoming lazy cricket

I don't know how the umpires do it at the high level, I umpired in a Hills B grade game 3 weeks back and struggled to watch the front foot and get the eyes up to watch the ball flight quick enough, let alone someone bowling twice as quick.

Simple answer is get the 3rd umpire to watch every front foot for every ball with a light system of some sort to confirm a legal delivery.

[whufc]

Another wicket on a no ball

I'm interested if there could be the theory that the extra point whatever of a second the ball reaches the batter quicker from the lesser distance makes a huge difference

I don't get what you mean? You go over the line, you are cheating, it is a distinct advantage.

I agree!!!

What im saying is I wonder why so many wickets fall on a no ball

Is what we have seen proof that by over stepping the mark the extra point etc etc second less the batsmen get to play the shot enough to cause a mis judgment from the batsmen!!!

Should bowleds look at this and start to use bowling from different distances in the crease as a great way to bowl a 'slower' ball etc

[Lightning McQueen]

it is poor bowling from Australia.

The bowling coach needs to take some responsibility for the actions.

but the question is also, what are the umpires doing?

how many no-balls are they missing??

its becoming lazy cricket

I don't know how the umpires do it at the high level, I umpired in a Hills B grade game 3 weeks back and struggled to watch the front foot and get the eyes up to watch the ball flight quick enough, let alone someone bowling twice as quick.

Simple answer is get the 3rd umpire to watch every front foot for every ball with a light system of some sort to confirm a legal delivery.

Yep, you have an instant where you have to call or not call, I too would rather they concentrate on getting the decision right and leave the no ball call to upstairs.

Just out of interest, what happens when an umpire calls no ball and then a player is bowled, do they review it to see if he was over the line and hen reverse it? I'd think not.

[Lightning McQueen]

Another wicket on a no ball

I'm interested if there could be the theory that the extra point whatever of a second the ball reaches the batter quicker from the lesser distance makes a huge difference

I don't get what you mean? You go over the line, you are cheating, it is a distinct advantage.

I agree!!!

What im saying is I wonder why so many wickets fall on a no ball

Is what we have seen proof that by over stepping the mark the extra point etc etc second less the batsmen get to play the shot enough to cause a mis judgment from the batsmen!!!

Should bowleds look at this and start to use bowling from different distances in the crease as a great way to bowl a 'slower' ball etc

OK, soz .

Yeah, you don't see many bowlers change where they deliver the ball form any more, some used to come wider on the crease every so often.

[whufc]

Don't think Whoofer is disagreeing with you bud. Think what he's trying to say is that people claim wickets were lost due to no balls, but perhaps the additional cribbing might have made a difference to the batsmans ability to defend? Would think it unlikely in most cases, but noone would ever know with %100 certainty.

Yeah that's why I mean, is bowling from different lengths in the crease a better way to change pace rather than the traditional method of bowling a slower ball where generally there would be a change in arm action or grip

[whufc]

Another wicket on a no ball

I'm interested if there could be the theory that the extra point whatever of a second the ball reaches the batter quicker from the lesser distance makes a huge difference

I don't get what you mean? You go over the line, you are cheating, it is a distinct advantage.

I agree!!!

What im saying is I wonder why so many wickets fall on a no ball

Is what we have seen proof that by over stepping the mark the extra point etc etc second less the batsmen get to play the shot enough to cause a mis judgment from the batsmen!!!

Should bowleds look at this and start to use bowling from different distances in the crease as a great way to bowl a 'slower' ball etc

OK, soz .

Yeah, you don't see many bowlers change where they deliver the ball form any more, some used to come wider on the crease every so often.

Yeah I love changing the angle by sneaking around on the crease

I would be interested to see how subtle depth changes in the crease you bowl could change things as well

[whufc]

it is poor bowling from Australia.

The bowling coach needs to take some responsibility for the actions.

but the question is also, what are the umpires doing?

how many no-balls are they missing??

its becoming lazy cricket

I don't know how the umpires do it at the high level, I umpired in a Hills B grade game 3 weeks back and struggled to watch the front foot and get the eyes up to watch the ball flight quick enough, let alone someone bowling twice as quick.

Simple answer is get the 3rd umpire to watch every front foot for every ball with a light system of some sort to confirm a legal delivery.

Yep, you have an instant where you have to call or not call, I too would rather they concentrate on getting the decision right and leave the no ball call to upstairs.

Just out of interest, what happens when an umpire calls no ball and then a player is bowled, do they review it to see if he was over the line and hen reverse it? I'd think not.

Agree when you have a bowler bowling 130k plus how possibly could you effectively see where the foot lands as well as whether the ball pitches in line or not

[mighty_tiger_79]

yes umpiring is a difficult exercise, having done it myself as well, however I think the bowlers today have too much influence on where the umpire stands, so perhaps the umpires stand in a fixed place and bowlers learn to go around them