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Quichey wrote:Oh how times have changed. Many lads these days don't want to be 'spoken at', singled out or criticised. Positive re-inforcement for Gen Y-ers.

I hate that. IMO guys/kids, as they get older and progress through the grades and the level of competition becomes more serious, should be rightfully criticised (at the right moment of course, it can't be done all the time) instead of just being encouraged in a postive manner. Otherwise they will never learn anything and never improve.

A coach needs to be a good 'man manager' too. Some guys need to rant and rave to psyche themselves up before a game, others just keep to themselves. They are both switched on. Some players can handle being made an example of and it spurs them on, others will get the shits on. A good coach can get the best from both players.
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good point McGovern. IMO that is crucial to being a good coach; knowing how to get the best out of each individual player and being able to adapt your coaching to suit their needs.

Quichey...are you suprised that lads do not like being 'singled out or critised!!??? Surely that is not a revelation or a Gen Y thing.

On a earlier frequently quoted post a 'good list' was mentioned as an attribute to being a good coach, I can't see how that is relevant!
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Jetters wrote:good point McGovern. IMO that is crucial to being a good coach; knowing how to get the best out of each individual player and being able to adapt your coaching to suit their needs.

Quichey...are you suprised that lads do not like being 'singled out or critised!!??? Surely that is not a revelation or a Gen Y thing.

On a earlier frequently quoted post a 'good list' was mentioned as an attribute to being a good coach, I can't see how that is relevant!


1996 Hectorville, lost 39 players to other clubs. Went from A, B and C Grade to A and B. We also went into Premier 3 and lost every game, some by record margins.

1997, went down 1 grade and made the GF. Oh, and we added about 16 players. Some of them good, some 'depth players'. We managed to get back our C grade that year too.

Same coach both seasons.

A good list can be THE difference between going up or down.
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Logic says you have to have a combination of good coach and good player list. If you put Sheedy in charge of the Manangatang Methodist Ladies College thirds and stick them into the SANFL they won't win a game.
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Darth Vader wrote:Logic says you have to have a combination of good coach and good player list. If you put Sheedy in charge of the Manangatang Methodist Ladies College thirds and stick them into the SANFL they won't win a game.


No methodist ladies college at manangatang 8) . played cricket there today and not a whole lot there at all.
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I think the topis is "what makes a good coach", not "what do you need to be a successful football team".
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McGovern wrote:A coach needs to be a good 'man manager' too. Some guys need to rant and rave to psyche themselves up before a game, others just keep to themselves. They are both switched on. Some players can handle being made an example of and it spurs them on, others will get the shits on. A good coach can get the best from both players.


Great point.
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after the last few weeks activities in the coaching ranks i decided to re-read my original post
and decide how far left or right of the original post not only was i but others that responded.
i still believe in what i said and honestly believe that when read and taken in wasnt to far off
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Good coach to me:
Good communication.
Strong understanding of the game.
Approachable yet firm.
Flexible and able to adapt on game day and think on their feet.
Well organised.
Simple game plans, nothing elaborate, strong on basics and structures.
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shags wrote:alot of patients

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Phantom Gossiper wrote:Good coach to me:
Good communication.
Strong understanding of the game.
Approachable yet firm.
Flexible and able to adapt on game day and think on their feet.
Well organised.
Simple game plans, nothing elaborate, strong on basics and structures.

Perfectly summed-up I think.
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McGovern wrote:
Phantom Gossiper wrote:Good coach to me:
Good communication.
Strong understanding of the game.
Approachable yet firm.
Flexible and able to adapt on game day and think on their feet.
Well organised.
Simple game plans, nothing elaborate, strong on basics and structures.

Perfectly summed-up I think.


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dee man wrote:What makes a good coach?

And their for what makes a great coach?

It’s hard to tell the difference between these categories today for a number of reasons.

There is no written code for coaches. No right way or wrong way to go about the task. Their is no written law that says this is the way to go about your job or what is acceptable.

The reason being clubs don’t care how they get the results as long as the win/loss ratio is good and the coach has the same attitude to win at all costs and take any human responsability and care,the real father like qualities of life out of the equasion.

The days of a coach putting his ethics,morals and responsibilities at the forefront of his coaching,instead of his own agendas and future plans are nearly gone,very few coaches believe that when they take on the responsibility of coaching these young men its more than just the football,its life they teach!

We have so called great coaches and coaches whose self promoted legend is bigger than any others that are in the same game.

The majority of these coaches to be honest couldn’t coach a grey hound bus.

Why?

They get everything they want handed to them on a platter.

every dollar they need for themselves and their minions.

Every available recruit they need to build a side that Bob the Builder could coach and win.

Every expense met.

Without the money that a club must produce to get the players he needs, he becomes like everyone else.

Without the players who tag along behind him, he becomes like everyone else.

He requires the best equipment, the best trainers, best facilities ECT, and all these come at a price.

And of course, on top of this comes not only their price tag, but also the money for the mercenaries that travel with him.

Then again we have the other form of coach.

The one I will call the pretender.

The guy who applies for a position at one particular club but is really after that at either his club or another.

He uses the small time club by accepting a job based on lies.

Players he is about to bring with him, sponsors ,gameplans,a new look when in actual effect he is bring nothing but bad times to a club that has know idea at what is happening.

What they are being used for.

Because before you know it, he is back at his original club or to the one he was after all along.

Who’s to blame?

Of course these particular coaches are, BUT, the clubs are the ones who are more so in the wrong.

Selling their soul, their culture and their identity for a quick fix.

These results mean that the faceless yet egotistical men that run the clubs ,for five minutes are heros.

But in the end these results can be disasterous for the club.

Sending their clubs bankrupt.

Making it easy for these particular coaches to come and go as they please.

It’s easy to find out who they are.

Just look at their resent history and how many clubs they have been at.

Give me the coach who comes in and works with what he has, looks after the clubs kids and promotes the club and his players as much as himself.

That win/loss records are not everything, but the well being of his players, supporters, sponsors and club are his number one priority.

To teach not only about footy but life as well.

Now that’s a coach.

Then again, maybe I have no idea.

Maybe it’s just me.



This is an excellent post dee man. I agree with you I think a really great coaches care about their players are teaches of life not just footy. Great coaches are there for their clubs and getting the best results they can for the people at their clubs.

Unfortunately alot of people in footy measure success by premierships and while all coaches should strive for this the real success is whether the coach is in getting the most out of his players and doing everything they can to make the club and team and their people the best they possibly can be.

A great example of this principle are junior coaches that promote development ahead of success by allowing their players to experience senior footy rather than chasing junior premierships.
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Darth Vader wrote:Logic says you have to have a combination of good coach and good player list. If you put Sheedy in charge of the Manangatang Methodist Ladies College thirds and stick them into the SANFL they won't win a game.



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If your name is Geoff Riddler job done ;)
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Anyone that can get the correct message across in a succinct manner and not waffle on.
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Ask Luke "Barry Dawson" Hosie what makes a good coach that guy is an unbelievable coach JUST ASK HIM...
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A good coach is the person who teaches. Full stop. He teaches his players, he teaches his club and above all he continually learns himself. Then teaches what he has learnt. Their is no place in footy for coaches with ego.
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