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Who will win the Division 6 Grand Final?

Adelaide Uni
1
1%
Blackfriars OS
3
3%
Central United
8
8%
Colonel Light Gardens
14
13%
Lockleys
9
8%
Mawson Lakes
21
20%
Mitchell Park
10
9%
Rosewater
28
26%
Tea Tree Gully
1
1%
Westminster OS
11
10%
 
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Re: SAAFL Division 6 2013

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Phantom Gossiper wrote:
old farmer wrote:That will also apply to staying in div 7 if a decision needs to be made...

At the end of the day all SAAFL clubs play to win and go up grades as high as you can. Why would you stay in div 7 when you can go to div 6 and be closer to the top divisions. Success is not guareenteed in div 7 and a club could get stuck there for more than 1 year if the thought process was to go down and have success and come straight back up..IF were 1 win from staying up and were on 8 points (more than a lot of clubs get relegated on). If the coaching group can bring the improvement promised we would be more than competitive next season.

Valid points, i'm in no way suggesting that going down to 7 would guarantee instant success, nor do I believe it would only be a one year trip.

I have no doubts the squad would be extremely competitive in 6 if they played there, as long as players stayed fit and injuries didn't take their toll. As I said, last year our best was as good as anyones, and we have added some much needed depth to the squad in the off season.

However if IF were to stay in 6 and have a disappointing season, what would the repercussions be for the future on the club?


Why don't you give yourselves a real chance and have a crack at Div 8. ;)
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Re: SAAFL Division 6 2013

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morell wrote:
Mr Beefy wrote:
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
morell wrote:A surge of money for WOS has seen them sneak in under the Units, Rosies shrink down as well. Lockleys and Mawsons eek out a little.

Lockleys - $3.50
Mawson Lakes - $5.50
Colonel Light Gardens - $5.50
Westminster OS - $5.50
Central United - $6

Blackfriars OS - $8.50
Rosewater - $9
Mitchell Park - $15
Adelaide Uni - $20
Tea Tree Gully - $25


If the great unwashed take your 165% good luck to you, that's Melbourne Cup classroom odds.

I reckon it might be around the 138% mark :rolleyes:
That is what I got too.

1 / 3.50 = 0.2857
1 / 5.50 = 0.1818
1 / 5.50 = 0.1818
1 / 5.50 = 0.1818
1 / 6.00 = 0.1667
1 / 8.50 = 0.1176
1 / 9.00 = 0.1111
1 / 15.00 = 0.0667
1 / 20.00 = 0.0500
1 / 25.00 = 0.0400

= 1.38326033

Might be on the high side but for a 10 horse race its not far off the TAB 15.5%


Sorry lads for some reason read Lockleys at 6/4. Still 138% is setting a Super Sid type book outside the marquees on Cox Plate day.
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Back enough winners and the care factor disappears
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Do all clubs higher than div 7 pay their players
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Nope!

I still reckon the scoreboard at the end of the game should be divided by the total $ paid to the team.
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morell wrote:A surge of money for WOS has seen them sneak in under the Units, Rosies shrink down as well. Lockleys and Mawsons eek out a little.

Lockleys - $3.50
Mawson Lakes - $5.50
Colonel Light Gardens - $5.50
Westminster OS - $5.50
Central United - $6

Blackfriars OS - $8.50
Rosewater - $9
Mitchell Park - $15
Adelaide Uni - $20
Tea Tree Gully - $25


only a guess but it be right to say that the bottom 3 least favored sides above, wouldn't pay its players.

players win matches, "victories" bring money to the club with bigger crowds & greater interest,

better players = better turnover

why wouldnt u invest in higher calibre players, its a win/win situation

youd be naive to think you could challenge other businesses (clubs) that do pay players, unless you have the backing of a private school behind you ie: SHOCs

am noting: uni & TTG are c-graders & do not apply to the equation

Mitchell Parks will lose more matches than they win. IMO
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buckley05 wrote:
Yank Man wrote:
old farmer wrote:5 Doggie Dollars on Mitchell Park on those odds. Best team to come out of Div 7 in the history of the SAAFL ;)


I'm happy to take a $100 on MP. :lol: Sorry morell, your'e a piker. Max bet if you are weakening. :lol: You will talk them down again as you do so well, you will build other teams up again, as you do so well, but me? I am now an innocent bystander and they will be stronger than many give them credit for. The team of 2012 will have no fears of Div 6 and they have mostly all stayed together and picked up some real quality. Go you Lions. :)


I've never seen a bloke with such a love affair for a club that politely asked you not to reapply for the job to save face for both of you! I also will add you my friend are away with the fairys if you Mitchell park are even close to top 5 :roll:

I seen you blokes play twice last year and seen a couple of div6 games and IMO your well behind most especially Rosewater and Westminster who are clearly the top 2 sides in front of Mawson Lakes and Lockleys. As for your rival with CLG I'm backing them to go 2 nil against you blokes I'm guessing you haven't seen a lot of div6??? CLG were pretty much top5 most of last year


Now that you have stirred the pot Bucks. Get your facts straight 1st. I WAS asked to re-apply and did. The role was mine if I wanted it and any committe member will verify that. I live 70 kms from MP and had an opportunity to get involved locally without the saturday travel, so I declined the position and stepped down. The place is in good hands and YES I do love the club and its people, after all a lot of them have been personal friends for many years, plus we won a premiership together and I have mates and family there for life. What's your track record? :) I also understand the strength of Div 6 and as I have coached at Div 1 level then cut me some slack for some knowledge. I believe if things go right they can be a top 5 team. Leave it at that aye and if I'm wrong shove it back in my face in August.
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Yank Man wrote:
buckley05 wrote:
Yank Man wrote:
old farmer wrote:5 Doggie Dollars on Mitchell Park on those odds. Best team to come out of Div 7 in the history of the SAAFL ;)


I'm happy to take a $100 on MP. :lol: Sorry morell, your'e a piker. Max bet if you are weakening. :lol: You will talk them down again as you do so well, you will build other teams up again, as you do so well, but me? I am now an innocent bystander and they will be stronger than many give them credit for. The team of 2012 will have no fears of Div 6 and they have mostly all stayed together and picked up some real quality. Go you Lions. :)


I've never seen a bloke with such a love affair for a club that politely asked you not to reapply for the job to save face for both of you! I also will add you my friend are away with the fairys if you Mitchell park are even close to top 5 :roll:

I seen you blokes play twice last year and seen a couple of div6 games and IMO your well behind most especially Rosewater and Westminster who are clearly the top 2 sides in front of Mawson Lakes and Lockleys. As for your rival with CLG I'm backing them to go 2 nil against you blokes I'm guessing you haven't seen a lot of div6??? CLG were pretty much top5 most of last year


Now that you have stirred the pot Bucks. Get your facts straight 1st. I WAS asked to re-apply and did. The role was mine if I wanted it and any committe member will verify that. I live 70 kms from MP and had an opportunity to get involved locally without the saturday travel, so I declined the position and stepped down. The place is in good hands and YES I do love the club and its people, after all a lot of them have been personal friends for many years, plus we won a premiership together and I have mates and family there for life. What's your track record? :) I also understand the strength of Div 6 and as I have coached at Div 1 level then cut me some slack for some knowledge. I believe if things go right they can be a top 5 team. Leave it at that aye and if I'm wrong shove it back in my face in August.

Yank man,who did you coach in Division 1 and how long ago??Which club are you tied up with now???
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moses wrote:YankMan back in his Div1 playing coaching days

LMFAO!!! Bloody gold!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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moses wrote:YankMan back in his Div1 playing coaching days


Looks like he has shrunk with old age
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Harsh! :shock: [-X
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Footy Chick wrote:Harsh! :shock: [-X

pull your beak in, geez girl you lost your sense of humour or what?! :twisted:
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marbles wrote:Do all clubs higher than div 7 pay their players

of course they do...if they didnt there best players wouldnt be there
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marbles wrote:
morell wrote:A surge of money for WOS has seen them sneak in under the Units, Rosies shrink down as well. Lockleys and Mawsons eek out a little.

Lockleys - $3.50
Mawson Lakes - $5.50
Colonel Light Gardens - $5.50
Westminster OS - $5.50
Central United - $6

Blackfriars OS - $8.50
Rosewater - $9
Mitchell Park - $15
Adelaide Uni - $20
Tea Tree Gully - $25


only a guess but it be right to say that the bottom 3 least favored sides above, wouldn't pay its players.

players win matches, "victories" bring money to the club with bigger crowds & greater interest,

better players = better turnover

why wouldnt u invest in higher calibre players, its a win/win situation

youd be naive to think you could challenge other businesses (clubs) that do pay players, unless you have the backing of a private school behind you ie: SHOCs

am noting: uni & TTG are c-graders & do not apply to the equation

Mitchell Parks will lose more matches than they win. IMO
You're probably right and its a very sad indictment on our game that we are now at a point that $ dictates success, even in the lower grades. How some players can expect to earn coin at div 5, 6 or 7 level is borderline immoral in my opinion. Heck even div 3 or 4 its a stretch.

It used to be that the guys who had to travel to the country got a bit of coin to cover the petrol and extra expenses, I have no dramas with that, but some blokes are expecting hundreds a game for training twice a week and playing around the corner. Its a rort and anyone doing that should have a good on hard look in the mirror and ask themselves what they're all about. I doubt old footballers on their deathbed would be telling the nurses about the time they managed to squeeze a couple of extra hunge out of a struggling suburban amateur club.

I don't know when it all started, but it was during my time. When we were in Divvy 5 and playing finals not a single player earnt a cent unless they were best on. Nor do I know what the catalyst was.

I also don't know what the solution is, but if I were in charge it would be at the top of the list in terms of things I would attempt to eradicate from the game. In a strange way it reminds me of the housing bubble which caused the GFC. This over stretching, the unsustainable growth, the quick road to success ultimately pathed the way to the system collapsing. I think a similar thing will happen here. I cannot see how clubs can continue with annual player expenditure budgets in the tens of thousands of dollars. When they cannot continue to pay, the players leave, they start losing, attract less sponsorship, less money for expenses. Relegation follows and unfortunately, as we have already seen, the club dies.

Eventually more clubs which provide an avenue for hundreds of young men (and women) to enjoy their weekends, extend their social circle, keep fit and part of the community, will collapse under the pressure. Mitchell Park would be at the top of the list to be one of them. The closure of more and more clubs, particularly in struggling socio-econmoic areas, will eventually lead to a broader social problem. This is what people who don't play sport don't understand - the connection between chasing a piece of leather on a patch of grass and happiness.

Something must be done or the sport will suffer.
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gutterboy wrote:
marbles wrote:Do all clubs higher than div 7 pay their players

of course they do...if they didnt there best players wouldnt be there
Wrong.
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morell wrote:
marbles wrote:
morell wrote:A surge of money for WOS has seen them sneak in under the Units, Rosies shrink down as well. Lockleys and Mawsons eek out a little.

Lockleys - $3.50
Mawson Lakes - $5.50
Colonel Light Gardens - $5.50
Westminster OS - $5.50
Central United - $6

Blackfriars OS - $8.50
Rosewater - $9
Mitchell Park - $15
Adelaide Uni - $20
Tea Tree Gully - $25


only a guess but it be right to say that the bottom 3 least favored sides above, wouldn't pay its players.

players win matches, "victories" bring money to the club with bigger crowds & greater interest,

better players = better turnover

why wouldnt u invest in higher calibre players, its a win/win situation

youd be naive to think you could challenge other businesses (clubs) that do pay players, unless you have the backing of a private school behind you ie: SHOCs

am noting: uni & TTG are c-graders & do not apply to the equation

Mitchell Parks will lose more matches than they win. IMO
You're probably right and its a very sad indictment on our game that we are now at a point that $ dictates success, even in the lower grades. How some players can expect to earn coin at div 5, 6 or 7 level is borderline immoral in my opinion. Heck even div 3 or 4 its a stretch.

It used to be that the guys who had to travel to the country got a bit of coin to cover the petrol and extra expenses, I have no dramas with that, but some blokes are expecting hundreds a game for training twice a week and playing around the corner. Its a rort and anyone doing that should have a good on hard look in the mirror and ask themselves what they're all about. I doubt old footballers on their deathbed would be telling the nurses about the time they managed to squeeze a couple of extra hunge out of a struggling suburban amateur club.

I don't know when it all started, but it was during my time. When we were in Divvy 5 and playing finals not a single player earnt a cent unless they were best on. Nor do I know what the catalyst was.

I also don't know what the solution is, but if I were in charge it would be at the top of the list in terms of things I would attempt to eradicate from the game. In a strange way it reminds me of the housing bubble which caused the GFC. This over stretching, the unsustainable growth, the quick road to success ultimately pathed the way to the system collapsing. I think a similar thing will happen here. I cannot see how clubs can continue with annual player expenditure budgets in the tens of thousands of dollars. When they cannot continue to pay, the players leave, they start losing, attract less sponsorship, less money for expenses. Relegation follows and unfortunately, as we have already seen, the club dies.

Eventually more clubs which provide an avenue for hundreds of young men (and women) to enjoy their weekends, extend their social circle, keep fit and part of the community, will collapse under the pressure. Mitchell Park would be at the top of the list to be one of them. The closure of more and more clubs, particularly in struggling socio-econmoic areas, will eventually lead to a broader social problem. This is what people who don't play sport don't understand - the connection between chasing a piece of leather on a patch of grass and happiness.

Something must be done or the sport will suffer.


What a freakin' sob story that was!!

.... Old footballers on death beds, global financial crisis, immorality, broad social problems, grand notions of happiness. Are you kidding!?

Anyway, its these old footballers who are now running clubs that have created this market for paid players, not the players themselves.

If clubs invest in players sustainably then what's the issue? When they don't, those clubs fall rapidly down the grades or potentially fold. It's up to the quality of the management.

Anyone reading this forum without an actual knowledge of the league would think Mitchell Park is some sort of super club, jesus you guys like to pump yourselves up. However, reality says it's not a very popular place to play football and its just escaped the bottom div. Get some perspective.

The ability for good off-field management of course, as it should, helps dictate success. Although, it is definitely frustrating when some clubs for reasons out of their control have it much easier than others due to facilities, helpful councils, socio-ec advantages etc.
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Footy Chick wrote:Harsh! :shock: [-X



No FC it's bloody fantastic. Been tryin' to get some bites for ages. :lol: Mind you they're not far off the money with this 'old fella'. Tiged Tiger I was an assistant A grade coach and team manager in 2005 with Edwardstown when they won the Div 2 flag and coached the ressies in 2007 in Div 1 under Trevor Mitton and 2008 in Div2 under Matt Golding. Not that long ago moses lol. TT I have a coaching and mentoring role at Yankalilla this year, I live here and am pretty excited as they played in the GF in 2012 and went down to Langhorne Creek. Maybe I can play some small part in helping us take the next step. It has been 27 years now.
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Jetters wrote:.... Old footballers on death beds, global financial crisis, immorality, broad social problems, grand notions of happiness. Are you kidding!?
I guess I see a massive problem with the current status quo of amateur league football. Maybe when the club you love faces serious peril you might have a sombre outlook as well.

Old footballers recall tales of lore and triumph to me, I guess old Unley footballers recall how much money they made? Kind of makes sense.

Taking unsustainable money from an amateur league football club for what is in reality a social level of football is immoral.

Dying clubs and the social impact that has on a community is significant.

Football provides an outlet for many young people, which can be extremely important. I know it was for me. The Mitchell Park Football club has played a very serious part of my life and has provided an incredible amount of happiness.

So rather than engaging in a discourse you have chosen to deride.

Disappointing.

Jetters wrote:Anyway, its these old footballers who are now running clubs that have created this market for paid players, not the players themselves.
That is probably a bit of a generalisation, but so what. I wasnt saying old footballers are more noble, the point was that at the end of your career the things people will cherish will be success, friendship and a sense of belonging. Not the new plasma the cash handouts paid for.

Jetters wrote:If clubs invest in players sustainably then what's the issue? When they don't, those clubs fall rapidly down the grades or potentially fold. It's up to the quality of the management.
The issue is related to the pervasiveness of the money requirement. As marbles mentioned its not about paying players to be successful in Div 1, you have to do it it Div 6 now. Money is very hard for clubs in the lower levels to raise, which in turn makes it harder to pay players, which in turn ... hopefully you get the point. It is cyclical.

Jetters wrote:Anyone reading this forum without an actual knowledge of the league would think Mitchell Park is some sort of super club, jesus you guys like to pump yourselves up.
What. the. ****.

Where the **** did this come from? Not only did I recently post that I thought we would finish third to bottom in Div 6. If anything I am crying poor more than pumping up tyres.

Show some damn decorum.
Jetters wrote:However, reality says it's not a very popular place to play football and its just escaped the bottom div. Get some perspective.
Reality says we are surrounded by Kenilworth, Marion, Colonel Light Gardens, Edwardstown, Flinders, Morphetville etc etc. Reality also says the demographic of the area the club resides in has changed significantly over the years to the point that fewer and fewer playing age people live in the area. Reality also says that having a culture of not paying players has greatly limited our ability to recruit.

Jetters wrote:The ability for good off-field management of course, as it should, helps dictate success. Although, it is definitely frustrating when some clubs for reasons out of their control have it much easier than others due to facilities, helpful councils, socio-ec advantages etc.
I guess good off field management is critical.

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Reality is jetters is a tool. Just saying :D
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