Australian International Summer 2023/24

[Armchair expert]

A moments silence please

[dedja]

Warner gone. I guess the angel was sick of kissing his dick.

[dedja]

A moments silence please

Everyone, hang out your sandpaper in respect.

[mighty_tiger_79]

A moments silence please

Everyone, hang out your sandpaper in respect.

What grade of paper?

[Down the Hill]

Teams can easily bowl 15overs an hour

Do you still use a Nokia 6100?

[Trader]

After years of thinking anything less than 90 overs in a day is inexcusable I have changed my mindset after piecemealing it.

Each session they need to bowl 30 overs (180 legal deliveries).
Minus a 3 minute drinks interval.
Minus 29 minutes as they would lose a minute in between each over for changeover.
This leaves 29 seconds per delivery without any additional interruptions.
With the bowlers run up commencing 70 metres away from the keeper for the majority of the day, are they destined to fail more often than not?

Why does it take a minute between overs?

No fielder needs to move more than 100m.
I don't need them to sprint it in 10 seconds flat, but jog through and you can be in position within 20 seconds.
So lets give them 30.

Why the need for the other 30 seconds?
Right there you've wasted 45 minutes over a full day.

Now, as for the time it takes to bowl a delivery...
30m run up, plus 10m follow through, 40m, call it 6 seconds.
Turn around and walk back to the top of your mark, another 20 seconds.
Still gives them 4 seconds at the top of the mark to 'compose themselves' before running in again.

Spinners obviously quicker.

30 overs isn't just achievable, its the expectation.

If weekend hacks can get through 44 overs in a 2hour 20 minute session, when guys are constantly out of position and need to be re-directed, then test professionals should be able to do 30 overs in 2 hours without a worry.

[mighty_tiger_79]

Teams can easily bowl 15overs an hour

Do you still use a Nokia 6100?

3310

[dedja]

Who decided that 90 overs in a day was still realistic. Whilst there are unnecessary delays with drink carriers, glove changes etc. that should be more closely monitored. But DRS, large number of left handers and right-left batting combinations that cause change to fields and constant changes to over and around the wicket, much greater strategy from captains with changing fields during overs, more boundaries, and higher % of overs bowled by quicks in most countries are reasonable factors in the modern game that makes this chest beating about 15 over hours rather unrealistic. Test cricket was very much a bore fest when teams were achieving 90 overs in 6 hours and a lot easier for captains with teams batting at 2.0 to 2.5 runs an over and blokes bowling straight breaks and dibbly dobbly medium pace being able to hold up an end for decent length spells. Just make it a 6.5 hour day with re-calculation of a more achievable minimum overs.

Cool story bro.

[mighty_tiger_79]

After years of thinking anything less than 90 overs in a day is inexcusable I have changed my mindset after piecemealing it.

Each session they need to bowl 30 overs (180 legal deliveries).
Minus a 3 minute drinks interval.
Minus 29 minutes as they would lose a minute in between each over for changeover.
This leaves 29 seconds per delivery without any additional interruptions.
With the bowlers run up commencing 70 metres away from the keeper for the majority of the day, are they destined to fail more often than not?

Why does it take a minute between overs?

No fielder needs to move more than 100m.
I don't need them to sprint it in 10 seconds flat, but jog through and you can be in position within 20 seconds.
So lets give them 30.

Why the need for the other 30 seconds?
Right there you've wasted 45 minutes over a full day.

Now, as for the time it takes to bowl a delivery...
30m run up, plus 10m follow through, 40m, call it 6 seconds.
Turn around and walk back to the top of your mark, another 20 seconds.
Still gives them 4 seconds at the top of the mark to 'compose themselves' before running in again.

Spinners obviously quicker.

30 overs isn't just achievable, its the expectation.

If weekend hacks can get through 44 overs in a 2hour 20 minute session, when guys are constantly out of position and need to be re-directed, then test professionals should be able to do 30 overs in 2 hours without a worry.

Some blame also attributed to batsman not being ready, but there's no excuse not to bowl the overs. It's just a big cop out

[Lightning McQueen]

After years of thinking anything less than 90 overs in a day is inexcusable I have changed my mindset after piecemealing it.

Each session they need to bowl 30 overs (180 legal deliveries).
Minus a 3 minute drinks interval.
Minus 29 minutes as they would lose a minute in between each over for changeover.
This leaves 29 seconds per delivery without any additional interruptions.
With the bowlers run up commencing 70 metres away from the keeper for the majority of the day, are they destined to fail more often than not?

Why does it take a minute between overs?

No fielder needs to move more than 100m.
I don't need them to sprint it in 10 seconds flat, but jog through and you can be in position within 20 seconds.
So lets give them 30.

Why the need for the other 30 seconds?
Right there you've wasted 45 minutes over a full day.

Now, as for the time it takes to bowl a delivery...
30m run up, plus 10m follow through, 40m, call it 6 seconds.
Turn around and walk back to the top of your mark, another 20 seconds.
Still gives them 4 seconds at the top of the mark to 'compose themselves' before running in again.

Spinners obviously quicker.

30 overs isn't just achievable, its the expectation.

If weekend hacks can get through 44 overs in a 2hour 20 minute session, when guys are constantly out of position and need to be re-directed, then test professionals should be able to do 30 overs in 2 hours without a worry.

I’m not saying it should, I’m saying it does.

Bowler dropping his hat and other crap off to the umpire then going to his mark, maybe a quick word from the skipper.

I always felt the same, I used to hurry my players through to finish 70 overs in around 4 hours, our run ups were far shorter though, I don’t quite get why such the long run ups, Wasim Akram and Malcolm Marshall were quick enough without bouncing off the fence

[Lightning McQueen]

Some blame also attributed to batsman not being ready, but there's no excuse not to bowl the overs. It's just a big cop out

Yeah, it’s only been an issue for as long as I can remember

[locky801]

Even with 23 wickets, innings changes etc in the India/Sth Africa game they got through 76 overs

[The Dark Knight]

After years of thinking anything less than 90 overs in a day is inexcusable I have changed my mindset after piecemealing it.

Each session they need to bowl 30 overs (180 legal deliveries).
Minus a 3 minute drinks interval.
Minus 29 minutes as they would lose a minute in between each over for changeover.
This leaves 29 seconds per delivery without any additional interruptions.
With the bowlers run up commencing 70 metres away from the keeper for the majority of the day, are they destined to fail more often than not?

Why does it take a minute between overs?

No fielder needs to move more than 100m.
I don't need them to sprint it in 10 seconds flat, but jog through and you can be in position within 20 seconds.
So lets give them 30.

Why the need for the other 30 seconds?
Right there you've wasted 45 minutes over a full day.

Now, as for the time it takes to bowl a delivery...
30m run up, plus 10m follow through, 40m, call it 6 seconds.
Turn around and walk back to the top of your mark, another 20 seconds.
Still gives them 4 seconds at the top of the mark to 'compose themselves' before running in again.

Spinners obviously quicker.

30 overs isn't just achievable, its the expectation.

If weekend hacks can get through 44 overs in a 2hour 20 minute session, when guys are constantly out of position and need to be re-directed, then test professionals should be able to do 30 overs in 2 hours without a worry.

I’m not saying it should, I’m saying it does.

Bowler dropping his hat and other crap off to the umpire then going to his mark, maybe a quick word from the skipper.

I always felt the same, I used to hurry my players through to finish 70 overs in around 4 hours, our run ups were far shorter though, I don’t quite get why such the long run ups, Wasim Akram and Malcolm Marshall were quick enough without bouncing off the fence

You mention Malcom Marshall, during the period when he played test cricket the West Indies often played four fast bowlers, how often did they bowl 90 overs in a day with their four quicks (when they didn't bowl a team out)? I was led to believe it wasn't very often or never?

[whufc]

After years of thinking anything less than 90 overs in a day is inexcusable I have changed my mindset after piecemealing it.

Each session they need to bowl 30 overs (180 legal deliveries).
Minus a 3 minute drinks interval.
Minus 29 minutes as they would lose a minute in between each over for changeover.
This leaves 29 seconds per delivery without any additional interruptions.
With the bowlers run up commencing 70 metres away from the keeper for the majority of the day, are they destined to fail more often than not?

Why does it take a minute between overs?

No fielder needs to move more than 100m.
I don't need them to sprint it in 10 seconds flat, but jog through and you can be in position within 20 seconds.
So lets give them 30.

Why the need for the other 30 seconds?
Right there you've wasted 45 minutes over a full day.

Now, as for the time it takes to bowl a delivery...
30m run up, plus 10m follow through, 40m, call it 6 seconds.
Turn around and walk back to the top of your mark, another 20 seconds.
Still gives them 4 seconds at the top of the mark to 'compose themselves' before running in again.

Spinners obviously quicker.

30 overs isn't just achievable, its the expectation.

If weekend hacks can get through 44 overs in a 2hour 20 minute session, when guys are constantly out of position and need to be re-directed, then test professionals should be able to do 30 overs in 2 hours without a worry.

Can’t compare to weekend hacks

Amateurs generally have blokes field wherever is the closest point for them to field, where at international level they are always going to have the best in the right positions

Amateurs generally set the same fields/plans for each batsmen with minor tweaks, international level they have complete different strategies which can see completely different fields

Can’t compare run up lengths between amateurs/pros, also distances keepers and slips have to go between overs is huge.

The times also haven’t taken into account drs reviews, concussion tests, checks for 4,s & 6,s. Batters swapping gloves which is nothing to do with the fielding sides, getting helmets out for fielders which rarely happens at amatuer level.

So many different aspects you can’t compare the two .

[RB]

^that was the start of the issue, the Windies in the 80s. They didn't exact hurry either.

Was never an issue in 100 years of test cricket prior to that.

[Dinglinga75]

Teams wouldn't complain if the West Indies bowled less than 90 overs in a day ... in fact , they would have been very happy

[Lightning McQueen]

You mention Malcom Marshall, during the period when he played test cricket the West Indies often played four fast bowlers, how often did they bowl 90 overs in a day with their four quicks (when they didn't bowl a team out)? I was led to believe it wasn't very often or never?

They were the pioneers of the slow over rate, they used to get 12-13 in, it’s why they would bowl Viv and Larry in the ODI’s, 2-3 step run ups.

[whufc]

^that was the start of the issue, the Windies in the 80s. They didn't exact hurry either.

Was never an issue in 100 years of test cricket prior to that.

Professionalism.

Like I said Smith will never be seen fielding at fine leg. Captains won’t set a lazy field etc etc it all slows the game down

[Dinglinga75]

Teams wouldn't complain if the West Indies bowled less than 90 overs in a day ... in fact , they would have been very happy

I should state during the 80's ... The current mob you would like to face 90 overs a day

[DOC]

Contempt for the cricketing public shown by Marnus and Steve Smith.