Adelaide Turf Cricket Association 2012 - 2013

[heater31]

Will also add the first one has played the last 3 in the B grade due to form reasons. its not like he's been shit all year so we will drop him in the last one so he can play...

[OKC!]

Not fair on the first bloke as he is not in the club's best XI so therefore should be available for selection in the 2nd XI.

Also fail to see why someone who wasn't in the 2nd best XI be not allowed to move up the grades as cover for injuries etc

Well if that first bloke was playing A's all year and has been dropped recently, especially when the higher team isn't in finals I can understand.

The second one coming up, I don't think is fair. Can anyone else confirm this? He should be free to play with no permit surely.

ill explain it here

so the player in question if he has not played many B grade games but nearly all C grade games this would mean your B grade line up at the time was better then him now whats changed he is in form and some of the B grade players are not seems to me like you left it to late for this player by not giving him the chance.....only now its finals you realise he is playing good cricket or a short and he is the best to pick from....

its a shame he cant play but at the same time the system is in place to stop clubs from abuseing it.....im not saying you are trying but in the past time and time again you see clubs abuse the hell out of the system and this year they are not letting anyone get away with it finally

Thats not really explaining it well, thats more of your opinion on it.

The only way someone should not be allowed to move UP a grade is from LO to 2day comp. If someone is in the C3 and they don't make the finals and the B2 team do, he should be able to go up on form.

If both teams make it, then they should be able to change one or two players due to form etc , but if the higher team loses the semi, then they cannot go back down. Thats seems logical.

Heather.. even though he played the last 3 games in the B's, I can still understand him not being granted playing without a permit... You did ask for a permit i assume?

[heater31]

even though he played the last 3 games in the B's, I can still understand him not being granted playing without a permit... You did ask for a permit i assume?

Not my club. But I know a few blokes involved and asked me my opinion when I dropped into their club for a beer last night.

The whole permit system to me seem over complicated and can judge some players cases very harshly.

[OKC!]

even though he played the last 3 games in the B's, I can still understand him not being granted playing without a permit... You did ask for a permit i assume?

Not my club. But I know a few blokes involved and asked me my opinion when I dropped into their club for a beer last night.

The whole permit system to me seem over complicated and can judge some players cases very harshly.

Agreed, but the rules are in place to stop dropping players to teams that are making finals. I don't think there would be too much of a problem getting a permit if he played last 3 and is under performing.

[heater31]

even though he played the last 3 games in the B's, I can still understand him not being granted playing without a permit... You did ask for a permit i assume?

Not my club. But I know a few blokes involved and asked me my opinion when I dropped into their club for a beer last night.

The whole permit system to me seem over complicated and can judge some players cases very harshly.

Agreed, but the rules are in place to stop dropping players to teams that are making finals. I don't think there would be too much of a problem getting a permit if he played last 3 and is under performing.

SACA only take into account the games played after Jan 1 for this reason. They also take a look at the stats of those permit players. I have had a mate miss out on a flag because of this. Called up to a higher grade on the morning of a match, made a ton and next match back in his original grade.

I don't think they (turf) look at it this way?

[interested observer]

How much weather forcasted for tomorrow??

Is the cricket god going to be a player in Pooraka's quest for glory...?
I know Ingle Farm have had their share of pain in years gone by after dominating minor rounds only to be undone by juicy decks...

He can be cruel at times !!!!

[Trader]

Not fair on the first bloke as he is not in the club's best XI so therefore should be available for selection in the 2nd XI.

Also fail to see why someone who wasn't in the 2nd best XI be not allowed to move up the grades as cover for injuries etc

Well if that first bloke was playing A's all year and has been dropped recently, especially when the higher team isn't in finals I can understand.

The second one coming up, I don't think is fair. Can anyone else confirm this? He should be free to play with no permit surely.

Heater, I assume you are talking about goodwood?
Who are the two players you are talking about?

[Ron Burgundy]

Id assume one would be Berry?

[Brumbies]

Not fair on the first bloke as he is not in the club's best XI so therefore should be available for selection in the 2nd XI.

Also fail to see why someone who wasn't in the 2nd best XI be not allowed to move up the grades as cover for injuries etc

Well if that first bloke was playing A's all year and has been dropped recently, especially when the higher team isn't in finals I can understand.

The second one coming up, I don't think is fair. Can anyone else confirm this? He should be free to play with no permit surely.

My understanding of the rule is that a player does not need a permit to play finals in a higher grade as long as they have played at least 3 two day matches or 5 one day matches for the club in the season.

[OKC!]

How much weather forcasted for tomorrow??

Is the cricket god going to be a player in Pooraka's quest for glory...?
I know Ingle Farm have had their share of pain in years gone by after dominating minor rounds only to be undone by juicy decks...

He can be cruel at times !!!!

Only time will tell.

We do have a couple of bowlers who will find a juicy wicket a good thing too.

Although, we had the most rain that Pooraka has ever had last year during the week of last years semi.. and on the Saturday you wouldn't have known it fell at all. Great wicket, set for a great game.

[Trader]

Not fair on the first bloke as he is not in the club's best XI so therefore should be available for selection in the 2nd XI.

Also fail to see why someone who wasn't in the 2nd best XI be not allowed to move up the grades as cover for injuries etc

Well if that first bloke was playing A's all year and has been dropped recently, especially when the higher team isn't in finals I can understand.

The second one coming up, I don't think is fair. Can anyone else confirm this? He should be free to play with no permit surely.

My understanding of the rule is that a player does not need a permit to play finals in a higher grade as long as they have played at least 3 two day matches or 5 one day matches for the club in the season.

Not quite, if you follow those rules you run the risk of losing the game on protest.

[rod_rooster]

Not fair on the first bloke as he is not in the club's best XI so therefore should be available for selection in the 2nd XI.

Also fail to see why someone who wasn't in the 2nd best XI be not allowed to move up the grades as cover for injuries etc

Well if that first bloke was playing A's all year and has been dropped recently, especially when the higher team isn't in finals I can understand.

The second one coming up, I don't think is fair. Can anyone else confirm this? He should be free to play with no permit surely.

My understanding of the rule is that a player does not need a permit to play finals in a higher grade as long as they have played at least 3 two day matches or 5 one day matches for the club in the season.

That is how it should be but not the case this year. I cannot for the life of me understand why a club should not be allowed to pick whoever they like in their A-Grade but this is the Turf so who knows what they are thinking.

[Plumb]

[quote="azzaisbest"]Semi Finals

A1

Payneham

v

Grange

Prince Alfred Old Collegians

v

Woodville Rechabites

A2

Pooraka

v

Ingle Farm District

Para Hills

v

Unley

A3

Reynella

v

Sacred Heart Old Collegians

St Peters Old Collegians

v

Hope Valley

A4

Trinity College Old Scholars

v

Goodwood

Fulham

v

Penfield Central Districts

[Plumb]

Heater, didn't someone from Goodwood get a permit to play in last year's A3 finals after a big 100 in Premier Grade?? Short memory?

[Brumbies]

Not fair on the first bloke as he is not in the club's best XI so therefore should be available for selection in the 2nd XI.

Also fail to see why someone who wasn't in the 2nd best XI be not allowed to move up the grades as cover for injuries etc

Well if that first bloke was playing A's all year and has been dropped recently, especially when the higher team isn't in finals I can understand.

The second one coming up, I don't think is fair. Can anyone else confirm this? He should be free to play with no permit surely.

My understanding of the rule is that a player does not need a permit to play finals in a higher grade as long as they have played at least 3 two day matches or 5 one day matches for the club in the season.

Not quite, if you follow those rules you run the risk of losing the game on protest.

Looking at the bylaws the only way I can see this been the case is if the player also played 50% of their matches in a higher grade.
For example: A player plays the first 5 matches in the A's, then goes down to the C's for the final 4 matches, then the B's want him to play finals for them. (Which would be rare)

Is there another way a protest could be successful ?

[Gatt_Weasel]

every club is to blame for the current system if you didnt abuse it year after year maybe when things like this happen clubs would have a leg to stand on and maybe get a permit this is my opinion as someone pointed out.....

[OKC!]

every club is to blame for the current system if you didnt abuse it year after year maybe when things like this happen clubs would have a leg to stand on and maybe get a permit this is my opinion as someone pointed out.....

That i will agree with.

Truth is, when someone sets a rule, there is always someone who will try and exploit it in order to get an advantage. It only takes one club/person to see the law and jump on it. Makes it hard for everyone else. Not sure on who decides on the permits but should be a independent panel.

[Trader]

My understanding of the rule is that a player does not need a permit to play finals in a higher grade as long as they have played at least 3 two day matches or 5 one day matches for the club in the season.

Not quite, if you follow those rules you run the risk of losing the game on protest.

Looking at the bylaws the only way I can see this been the case is if the player also played 50% of their matches in a higher grade.
For example: A player plays the first 5 matches in the A's, then goes down to the C's for the final 4 matches, then the B's want him to play finals for them. (Which would be rare)

Is there another way a protest could be successful ?

Yes, a guy who has played 2 B's and 5 C's for example can't play B-grade without a permit.

The bylaws are very clear this season, to play in a 2 day final you need to have done the following:
1) Not played 50% or more in a higher grade during that season (known as the 50% rule), and
2) Played at least 3 games in that team during that season (known as the 3 game rule).

If you haven't met both criteria, you need a permit, simple as that.

For the LOs change rule 2 to 5 games or 25% (whichever is lower).


If a guy wants to go down to play B grade, he MUST have played 3 games in the B's that season AND played more than 50% in the B's or lower.

The bylaws have been that way for two seasons now, not sure why a club like Goodwood wouldn't understand them.

As I understand it, the 3 games in that team rule was added / tweaked (used to be 3 for the club) as a result of a few clubs having a good LOB side, that just misses finals, so they then bring all those guys up to play C2 for example and win a cheap flag.
I must admit, while it does cause some problems, it's good to see a clear set of rules and the turf keen to enforce them.

Interestingly, the turf could re-write the bylaws to include just the above two criteria. This would potentially make it clearer for those who struggle to understand it. The section on the bylaws that talks about subbing 1 and 2 day games etc just becomes confusing, and is irrelivant given that this criteria must be met if you meet #2 above.

[heater31]

So what that is saying once you have played over 50% of the year in A grade and you are dropped for form reasons you might as well pack your kit up and wait for pre-season to roll around again.

[Trader]

So what that is saying once you have played over 50% of the year in A grade and you are dropped for form reasons you might as well pack your kit up and wait for pre-season to roll around again.

If your A-grade aren't good enough to make finals then yes.

The consecutive grades rule can still be applied to point 1.

Alternatively you can put your nose down, work hard, get some runs and force your way back into the A's.
Oh, **** that, too much hard work. Bring on next season...