Sturt to win the flag!

[mighty_tiger_79]

after a SUPERHUMAN EFFORT by the blues to beat westies in the last rd, really does auger well for them in september/october

[whufc]

Definitely not the same gameplan or structure and more then a few players getting regular games now compared to last year. Bowen, Bratton, Payne, Bode, Avery, Herring, Jaensch, Johncock and Trengove. All players who either weren't with us or werten't getting league games last year.
Our gameplan is more centred around getting the hard ball rather then only run and carry.
Guess you've been corrected whufc .

no worries then, i can see this topic being one that gets bumped the minute after the final siren if we happen to meet each other in the finals.

Enjoy doing that if you get the chance and I'll be the first to admit it if it looks anything like the previous 2 years finals.
I'll quite happily bump it if the reverse happens too. You man enough to admit it if you're wrong. Doubt it

I already admitted i was wrong by thinking Sturts gameplan hasn't changed over the last 2 years. Admitting being wrong is not an issue here.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Maybe next year.

[whufc]

Alright though this may seem like im stirring, this is a genuine football question to all Sturt supporters or anyone really.

After doing a little research there seems to be a common statistic in Sturts losses. Out of the five games Sturt have lost this season Chambers has only managed 7 goals and 4 of them came against North in the one game.

Most people wouldn't be surprised by that but what did surprise me is this- in all 5 losses no other Sturt player but Chambers has kicked more than 2 goals in a losing game. In 3 of those losses no other sturt player has kicked more than 1 goal, and on one occasion Chambers was the teams only goalscorer.

What i think the statistics tend to show is that when Sturt are under the pump or losing they don't have any other goalscorers who can step up and kick a winning score, if Chambers isn't firing.

Is this a case of Sturt become to focused on getting the ball to Chambers that even when his having a bad day they continue to kick to him and miss other spot ups, or is it a case of Sturt lack goalkicking depth and have a lot of workmanlike forwards but not genuine goalscorers.

Like i said this isn't a sledge or a cheap shot or anything of the kind. It was just some interesting stats when going through Sturts losses this season.

[CUTTERMAN]

Alright though this may seem like im stirring, this is a genuine football question to all Sturt supporters or anyone really.

After doing a little research there seems to be a common statistic in Sturts losses. Out of the five games Sturt have lost this season Chambers has only managed 7 goals and 4 of them came against North in the one game.

Most people wouldn't be surprised by that but what did surprise me is this- in all 5 losses no other Sturt player but Chambers has kicked more than 2 goals in a losing game. In 3 of those losses no other sturt player has kicked more than 1 goal, and on one occasion Chambers was the teams only goalscorer.

What i think the statistics tend to show is that when Sturt are under the pump or losing they don't have any other goalscorers who can step up and kick a winning score, if Chambers isn't firing.

Is this a case of Sturt become to focused on getting the ball to Chambers that even when his having a bad day they continue to kick to him and miss other spot ups, or is it a case of Sturt lack goalkicking depth and have a lot of workmanlike forwards but not genuine goalscorers.

Like i said this isn't a sledge or a cheap shot or anything of the kind. It was just some interesting stats when going through Sturts losses this season.

It's a good point, but I think you need to look at all the stats, like inside 50's, contested ball etc, etc. I don't think Sturt were Chambers focused today

[whufc]

Alright though this may seem like im stirring, this is a genuine football question to all Sturt supporters or anyone really.

After doing a little research there seems to be a common statistic in Sturts losses. Out of the five games Sturt have lost this season Chambers has only managed 7 goals and 4 of them came against North in the one game.

Most people wouldn't be surprised by that but what did surprise me is this- in all 5 losses no other Sturt player but Chambers has kicked more than 2 goals in a losing game. In 3 of those losses no other sturt player has kicked more than 1 goal, and on one occasion Chambers was the teams only goalscorer.

What i think the statistics tend to show is that when Sturt are under the pump or losing they don't have any other goalscorers who can step up and kick a winning score, if Chambers isn't firing.

Is this a case of Sturt become to focused on getting the ball to Chambers that even when his having a bad day they continue to kick to him and miss other spot ups, or is it a case of Sturt lack goalkicking depth and have a lot of workmanlike forwards but not genuine goalscorers.

Like i said this isn't a sledge or a cheap shot or anything of the kind. It was just some interesting stats when going through Sturts losses this season.

It's a good point, but I think you need to look at all the stats, like inside 50's, contested ball etc, etc. I don't think Sturt were Chambers focused today

I didn't get to see much of the game today, was at the Barossa food and wine festival, i was more posing the question on what the reasons maybe, obviously when Sturt loose their forward delivery probably hasn't been great because if Chambers gets the service he will kick goals thats a given.

[Voice]

Alright though this may seem like im stirring, this is a genuine football question to all Sturt supporters or anyone really.

After doing a little research there seems to be a common statistic in Sturts losses. Out of the five games Sturt have lost this season Chambers has only managed 7 goals and 4 of them came against North in the one game.

Most people wouldn't be surprised by that but what did surprise me is this- in all 5 losses no other Sturt player but Chambers has kicked more than 2 goals in a losing game. In 3 of those losses no other sturt player has kicked more than 1 goal, and on one occasion Chambers was the teams only goalscorer.

What i think the statistics tend to show is that when Sturt are under the pump or losing they don't have any other goalscorers who can step up and kick a winning score, if Chambers isn't firing.

Is this a case of Sturt become to focused on getting the ball to Chambers that even when his having a bad day they continue to kick to him and miss other spot ups, or is it a case of Sturt lack goalkicking depth and have a lot of workmanlike forwards but not genuine goalscorers.

Like i said this isn't a sledge or a cheap shot or anything of the kind. It was just some interesting stats when going through Sturts losses this season.

We do rely on a good spread for our goal kicking, especially from the midfield. Players like Crane, Jaensch, Cubillo, Sheeds etc normally bob up for a couple when we have a good win.
Yesterday and every other time we've lost to the Bays, they shut our midfield down very well, making us bomb it over their zone to players like Chambo, Fish etc. They just don't seem to want to carry the ball and take the zone on which is what you need to do against disciplined sides like Glenelg and and Centrals.
We're having the game dictated to us rather then trying to take some control of it ourselves.
While I know you're not saying this is Chambers fault, many do and if they knew what they were on about they would realise the key to beating us isn't to shut down Chambo but to shut down our midfield and run hard against us when the inevitable turnover happens.

[MST]

A valid question whufc (what was Carlton Cole thinking by the way?). I think you will find the recurring pattern in our five losses for the year is a non existent midfield. Chambers kicking low scores, particularly against Glenelg, has very little to do with who plays on him and a lot to do with the ball not getting down to him nearly enough and on the occasions it does, not coming in with any quality.

I highlighted on the game review thread that we had a measly 21 forward 50 entries yesterday, some 40 less than the opposition. You can make your own mind up based on that stat.

[whufc]

A valid question whufc (what was Carlton Cole thinking by the way?). I think you will find the recurring pattern in our five losses for the year is a non existent midfield. Chambers kicking low scores, particularly against Glenelg, has very little to do with who plays on him and a lot to do with the ball not getting down to him nearly enough and on the occasions it does, not coming in with any quality.

I highlighted on the game review thread that we had a measly 21 forward 50 entries yesterday, some 40 less than the opposition. You can make your own mind up based on that stat.

Best pass of the game That incident i think highlighted in sport why people shoudn't get to far ahead of themselves because you think your king of the sport (not that carlton cole did) then sport has a funny way of biting you on the ar5e.

[MST]

I reckon a few Glenelg supporters could do with reflecting on that statement whufc.....

[am Bays]

I reckon a few Glenelg supporters could do with reflecting on that statement whufc.....

Don't disagree with that statement about a few Bays supporters MST, but likewise there are a few in Double Blue that need to reflect in the mirror too.

IMO opinion their pre-occupation with the Bays is baffling as there is a better team out there than us.

[MST]

I reckon a few Glenelg supporters could do with reflecting on that statement whufc.....

Don't disagree with that statement about a few Bays supporters MST, but likewise there are a few in Double Blue that need to reflect in the mirror too.

IMO opinion their pre-occupation with the Bays is baffling as there is a better team out there than us.

I wouldn't say it's a pre-occupation am, more of a genuine concern. We haven't beaten your mob in nine starts, that to me justifies the concern or as you phrase it, pre-occupation.

A few Glenelg supporters constantly going on about Brant Chambers, now THAT my friend is a pre-occupation

[panthers 2008]

I am starting to nibble on my words as I started this post!
I went to the game yesterday,and to be honest not a very flashy game at all!
Sturt were dreadful after half time and totally dropped their bundle,with the exception of Coad who was very good.
Sturts midfield was simply not hard enough after half time and did not run in numbers.
Twenty inside fifties is a an effort not unlike the team I support!
It sounds crazy but they missed the class of young Trengrove.
Lets see if the double blues can dust themselves off and get back some confidence for the big match against the dogs! 'should be a very good match'.