ANZAC Day match and traditional rivals

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These are the games I am missing between 1952 and 1975. If you (or anyone) has some or all of these attendances, I will be forever thankful if you can share them!

Crowds from 1952 onwards
Round 16 1952 - 4 games
Round 17 1955 - 4 games
Round 2 1958 - Sturt vs Glenelg
Round 15 1962 - 4 games
Round 5 1970 - Glenelg vs South
Round 1 1974 - 5 games
Round 2 1974 - 4 games (The game I have is Port vs South - 10,590)
Round 4 1974 - 4 games (The game I have is Glenelg vs North - 20,308)
Round 9 1974 - South vs Woodville
Round 1 1975 - 4 games (The game I have is Norwood vs Glenelg - 12,577)
Round 2 1975 - 4 games (The game I have is Norwood vs Sturt - 11,334)
Round 4 1975 - Sturt vs Glenelg
Round 13 1975 - 4 games (The game I have is Norwood vs South - 5,953)

[Adelaide Hawk]

1975 Norwood attendance from the Annual Report & Balance Sheet:

Round 1 v Glenelg (Football Park): 12,577

Round 2 v Sturt (Football Park): 11,334

Round 4 v South adelaide (Football Park): 7,348

Round 13 v South Adelaide (Norwood Oval): 5,953

[Pseudo]

One big thing I've noticed is the news on TV. These days the first part of the sports news is about Adelaide and Port, both their games and injuries.

That's fair enough.

But what I don't like is the next thing. Victorian clubs, interstate clubs, their injuries, news, etc. To me, the television media dismiss the SANFL when I think they should be promoting it more. When I hear them tell the scores (And a bit of token footage) it's almost because they have to.

I don't think the SANFL is "dying". IT won't die, and will never die. It's nothing like it was in the decades gone by, but it is what it is because of so many factors that can't, and won't, change.

Well put Diss. I could not agree more.

[JK]

Thats interesting Spelly .. I haven't watched it in a while, but I thought on "The Way It Was 82" they referred to the season as having a higher attendance than any previous ...

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Thanks Adelaide Hawk! I couldn't find those attendances from the Advertiser, so I'm not sure where else they could be. The News might have them or the Sunday Mail.

CP, the attendances should be correct, as I first got them out of the Football Times yearbook of 1983, then I checked them with the SANFL Annual Report. What might have been considered when saying that would be the Escort Cup matches and the State game included in the overall total for that season. So that total was used against the same eqivalent totals for other years, regardless if they had night series or how many state games were played. That would be my guess.

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As a side note, Adelaide Hawk, that figure of 7348 is the same as I have for Sturt and Glenelg of that round. So, I might have got the games mixed up between the two as both games were played at Football Park that round. So I'll still need that game (St. and Gl.) from that round.

[Dissident]

As a side note, Adelaide Hawk, that fiugre of 7348 is the same as I have for Sturt and Glenelg of that round. So, I might have got the games mixed up between the two as both games were played at Football Park that round. So I'll still need that game (St. and Gl.) from that round.

Double header?

[JK]

Thanks Adelaide Hawk! I couldn't find those attendances from the Advertiser, so I'm not sure where else they could be. The News might have them or the Sunday Mail.

CP, the attendances should be correct, as I first got them out of the Football Times yearbook of 1983, then I checked them with the SANFL Annual Report. What might have been considered when saying that would be the Escort Cup matches and the State game included in the overall total for that season. So that total was used against the same eqivalent totals for other years, regardless if they had night series or how many state games were played. That would be my guess.

Yeah good call mate, may well have said something like "This season saw more people pass through the turnstyles that any other ..." .. Cheers mate!

[high flying flag]

Noroowd v Port in the rain on Friday night drew 7077 spectators. Thats a hell of a lot more than the Anzac Day "blockbuster". I really think teh GF rematch is a wasted opportunity and a big blockbuster game could be scheduled instead.

[dogs01]

Have your team make the grand final against the eagles and you try and get a crowd on Anzac Day.If the eagles had the same supporter base as centrals then it would have been a better crowd.

[Mickyj]

Have your team make the grand final against the eagles and you try and get a crowd on Anzac Day.If the eagles had the same supporter base as centrals then it would have been a better crowd.

From where i was sitting we had more fans at the game this year.Funny it didnt appear the doggies fans attended in large numbers the last 2 weeks infact it was like a seconds game when the doggies played the bays.

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Have your team make the grand final against the eagles and you try and get a crowd on Anzac Day.If the eagles had the same supporter base as centrals then it would have been a better crowd.

From where i was sitting we had more fans at the game this year.Funny it didnt appear the doggies fans attended in large numbers the last 2 weeks infact it was like a seconds game when the doggies played the bays.

I thought we had quite a few fans there. I think that once Centrals start to lose, (or as what happens when any team does) it's jump overboard time.

[eaglehaslanded]

I'm so sick of people crapping on about how few or how many the Eagles get to attend games. I can think of at least one or two more clubs in the sanfl that struggle in terms of supporter base. The Eagles earnt the right to play on Anzac day by playing in the previous GF and they will do so again by playing off in this years GF as well. I recall being at the game and seeing just as many Eagles colours as Centrals. It might just be that bandwagon supporter base that has been held in high numbers of centrals whilst winning GF's might be starting to decline because of their present form slump. Let's face it doggies you'll be lucky to make the finals let alone the GF this year. In closing I agree with Anzac day being used for Grand Finalists, I can't see why we couldn't perhaps stretch this concept into a double header though by playing 3 v 4 from previous season as well. Let's face it had of it been the case this year we would have had Port v North in early game and then Dogs v Eagles in late game. That would be an idea for the sanfl to put some thought into.

[high flying flag]

I guess my main point is that I think a GF rematch is simply a boring idea. If you won the GF a rematch is just like any other game worth 2 points. If you lost theh GF you cant get any more satisfaction from winning the 2 points that you would wit hany other match. In fact the GF rematch just reminds you that you lost last year. I think its a flawed concept. GF rematches just dont bring in the crowds because the match pales into insignificane compared to the previuos years GF.

I had some other ideas too.

Yesterday's "May Day" march was a celebration of workers rights. What about a clash of two working class teams as a blockbuster on May Day following the march? I know all SANFL clubs are pretty much working class these days but a game between traditional working class clubs (for example Centrals and Port) could be a fantastic showcase.

Also I saw in the Tiser that at Easter Adelaide is the nations number one destination for domestic travel. Presumably this is young people who have left Adelaide to work in (mainly) Sydney and Melbourne. What a wasted opportunity it is to have three teams with the bye! Why doesnt the SANFL do some market research, find out which clubs they support and stage a blockbuster Easter match as well. I'm sure many of these "expats" would love to catch a great SANFL game. Personally I have many friends who are Norwood and Sturt supporters living interstate, but the other clubs would also be well reprsented I think.

That would give us blockbusters on Anzac Day, Easter and May Day. All of these are pretty close together but are also at a time wghen the weather s pretty good and most teams are still in the race.

[Spiritof64]

for me, I think you have to earn the right to play in the ANZAC Day clash and to earn that right you need to be the GFteams from the previous year

Unlike the so called TRADITIONAL AFL ANZAC DAY match of Collinwood Vs Essendon.

This so called tradition didn't start untill 1995 http://203.89.208.158/public/statistics/matchresult/3/16/2/1995/All/matchresult_3_16_2_1995_all.shtml

The imperialist arrogance of these two Victorian clubs in claiming ownership of an Australian icon just confirms my opinion that the Melbourne clubs still pull the AFL's strings.

[high flying flag]

I agree with you except you have to admit they pull a big crowd which is a great advert for the AFL. The problem is that the money goes straight to those clubs.

But this is about the SANFL. Would you object to an SANFL blockbuster where the gate takings were distributed among all clubs? A crowd of less than 5000 for a heavily advertised showcase game is disappointing and looks bad for the SANFL.

[Wedgie]

Actually spirit, good point and it also applies to the SANFL, I remember seeing many games in the 80s on Anzac Day that were not GF replays, I remember Norwood v Torrens at Norwood and North v Central as the 2nd game of a double header as 2 instances.

[sydney-dog]

Memo to Port and Norwood supporters

Get over your 80's / 90's rivary

If you want the right to play on ANZAC Day, well make the GF and you will earn the right to do so.

Both clubs have done nothing in the past decade to earn the right....

I have no issue with the AFL Model, there was no ANZAC day clash 10 years ago so the Bombers and the Pies got off there butts and lobbied the AFL for the opportunity....

SANFL, the ANZAC Day clash model is the way it's always have been, back in the 70's and 80's as a dogs supporter I dreamt about my club playing in a GF and on ANZAC Day, and we were constantly reminded by the Port and Norwood supporters, that as a club we have to earn that right

How times have changed, these same supporters now believe that ANZAC Day clash should be Port - Norwood due to their Rivary.

How the tide changes

[high flying flag]

How times have changed, these same supporters now believe that ANZAC Day clash should be Port - Norwood due to their Rivary.

If you read my posts sydney-dog instead of mouthing off you will realise that I have not suggested that at all. I'm saying that a GF rematch is boring and doesnt attract a crowd. I've asked the forum for alternative ideas but have had virtually no response except from Centrals and Eagles fans taking offense. I've also asked if anyone thinks there are any other rivalries in addition to teh ones I've mentioned. Again virtually no response.

Does anyone have anything constructive to add or should I drop the whole discussion?

[sydney-dog]

High Flying Flag, before you start getting aggressive, stop making assumptions, I never refered directly to your post, did I mention your name, "NO"

I was making reference on a broader perception, you only have to talk to Norwood and Port supporters at the games or in pubs and the majority believe that the ANZAC day clash should be reserved for Port / Norwood clashes only......

I was commenting on a wider audiences opinion not your post in specific