Who should stay, retire or trade

[dash61]

Not being a Port Fan or Crow fan im interested on the opinons power supporters and others of the current playing list

Trade Bait or keep : D Pearce, M Thomas, M Westoff, J Westoff

Trade Bait or Delist : M Pettigrew, N Lower, T Thurstons

De-List : B Ebert, M Martin, J Laurie, W Thompson

Retire : P Burgoyne, J Carr, B Lade

There a few lads yet to play I havent seen locally but the 3 in bold would drop of the list /rooke list

M Lobbe has to be promoted as this kid looks a genuine prospect

[JK]

I don't see the point in de-listing Ebert, I think he goes around again, a 50+ goal per year small forward in 07 probably see's enough credits in the bank ... If not you would think he could at least hold some form of value in a deal, but I'd be pretty surprised if he wasn't at Alberton next year.

Others seem to be around the mark, Pettigrew, Lower, Lade, Carr and P. Burgoyne for one reason or another won't be there you would think.

[auto]

Thomas is a definite keeper. Ebert is a definite DCM. His only strength is on when on a lead and even that isnt anywhere near as good as it should be. Hes fighting with Salter for that spot and theres way more upside IMO with Salter. Ebert has failed for 2 seasons now, way too long. Pearce potential trade as Francou is right, he struggles with the tag. Burgoyne, Lade, Carr thanks but see ya. Pettigrew should be traded and would prob go alright in another side but has failed to improve at Port for a few years now. The club absolutely has to recruit a ready to go ruckman.

[Browny25]

should have got rid of Williams IMO

[Choccies]

Thomas is a definite keeper. Ebert is a definite DCM. His only strength is on when on a lead and even that isnt anywhere near as good as it should be. Hes fighting with Salter for that spot and theres way more upside IMO with Salter. Ebert has failed for 2 seasons now, way too long. Pearce potential trade as Francou is right, he struggles with the tag. Burgoyne, Lade, Carr thanks but see ya. Pettigrew should be traded and would prob go alright in another side but has failed to improve at Port for a few years now. The club absolutely has to recruit a ready to go ruckman.

It would appear that Robbie Gray has taken Ebert's role as a small leading forward and doing pretty well at it. Ebert just doesn't seem to have another edge to his game. It's always hard for the forwards when the ball gets delivered in as poorly as it has this year and that could be why Ebert, Westhoffs X 2, Motlop and at times Tredders have struggled. I honestly think that with some serious skills improvements over summer to the majority of the squad and they could end up not being so bad as they are at the moment. In games Port has played well in, their skills have been very good, but in games/quarters where they have been terrible their skills have been the reason why IMO.

[NO-MERCY]

Thomas is a definite keeper. Ebert is a definite DCM. His only strength is on when on a lead and even that isnt anywhere near as good as it should be. Hes fighting with Salter for that spot and theres way more upside IMO with Salter. Ebert has failed for 2 seasons now, way too long. Pearce potential trade as Francou is right, he struggles with the tag. Burgoyne, Lade, Carr thanks but see ya. Pettigrew should be traded and would prob go alright in another side but has failed to improve at Port for a few years now. The club absolutely has to recruit a ready to go ruckman.

It would appear that Robbie Gray has taken Ebert's role as a small leading forward and doing pretty well at it. Ebert just doesn't seem to have another edge to his game. It's always hard for the forwards when the ball gets delivered in as poorly as it has this year and that could be why Ebert, Westhoffs X 2, Motlop and at times Tredders have struggled. I honestly think that with some serious skills improvements over summer to the majority of the squad and they could end up not being so bad as they are at the moment. In games Port has played well in, their skills have been very good, but in games/quarters where they have been terrible their skills have been the reason why IMO.

You must ask the skills coaches down there.
Are they doing their job??
Get the BROOM out.

[Choccies]

Thomas is a definite keeper. Ebert is a definite DCM. His only strength is on when on a lead and even that isnt anywhere near as good as it should be. Hes fighting with Salter for that spot and theres way more upside IMO with Salter. Ebert has failed for 2 seasons now, way too long. Pearce potential trade as Francou is right, he struggles with the tag. Burgoyne, Lade, Carr thanks but see ya. Pettigrew should be traded and would prob go alright in another side but has failed to improve at Port for a few years now. The club absolutely has to recruit a ready to go ruckman.

It would appear that Robbie Gray has taken Ebert's role as a small leading forward and doing pretty well at it. Ebert just doesn't seem to have another edge to his game. It's always hard for the forwards when the ball gets delivered in as poorly as it has this year and that could be why Ebert, Westhoffs X 2, Motlop and at times Tredders have struggled. I honestly think that with some serious skills improvements over summer to the majority of the squad and they could end up not being so bad as they are at the moment. In games Port has played well in, their skills have been very good, but in games/quarters where they have been terrible their skills have been the reason why IMO.

You must ask the skills coaches down there.
Are they doing their job??
Get the BROOM out.

It would appear they have escaped the wrath of everyone this year wouldn't it ?? Good point NM...
Game plans mean nothing if you cant hit a target or execute a simple skill... you end up chasing tail and trying to make amends for your error and that aint much of a game plan in my eyes...

[Bat Pad]

Heard talk about Port perhaps picking up Mark Seaby from West Coast. He will be De-listed bye the Eagles at the end of the year you would think. The thing is, who do port have who West Coast would want in a trade if this was the case? None I can think of.

[Choccies]

Heard talk about Port perhaps picking up Mark Seaby from West Coast. He will be De-listed bye the Eagles at the end of the year you would think. The thing is, who do port have who West Coast would want in a trade if this was the case? None I can think of.

Surjan and Pettigrew are from WA aren't they ?? So is Krakouer... So is Dom !!!!!

[Bat Pad]

Heard talk about Port perhaps picking up Mark Seaby from West Coast. He will be De-listed bye the Eagles at the end of the year you would think. The thing is, who do port have who West Coast would want in a trade if this was the case? None I can think of.

Surjan and Pettigrew are from WA aren't they ?? So is Krakouer... So is Dom !!!!!

True, but i was talking about people that the Power would actually trade, and I would be surprised if they didnt want to keep those 3. I should have made that clearer.

[Browny25]

Pettigrew can go

[Psyber]

Pettigrew can go

I'd give him a season at the Crows to see if his potential can be resurrected if he came cheaply.
Both he and Chaplin looked promising early in their time at the Power. Ebert might rekindle his spirit in another context too.

[CoverKing]

Seaby wants out aswell. So port could well get him with the early pre season pick, however i wuldnt be suprised if Richmond take him with there pre season pick which will be ahead of ports.

Pettigrew has to stay IMO. I think he had a good start to this year and fell of dramatically. However, i think he offers a bit to the port side IMO. He has played a fair few games so i cant see port trading him when he is going to hit his peak in the next couple of years after putting so much effort and game time into him, even when he has been out of form.

I would be suprised if W Thompson goes, just because Mark Williams loves him. J Laurie has improved a fair bit throughout the year and played good reserves footy and contributed when he has played league. for me he will keep.

Matthew Martin could well get a gig again next year if in fact one of the westoff's go. They need a back up Forward/Back in case of injuries, tredders has only one more year im guessin.

Trade bait for me: Ebert, Pearce (has to go), J and M Westhoff and N Lower.

I would keep Thomas without a doubt. One of not many (Dom the exception) who goes in and actually gets it to the huge amount of outside players that port have.

Matt Lobbe will play next year i think. He is not needed to be promoted from the rookie list because he isnt on it. He is a senior list player isnt he?

Johnathon Giles would have to go aswell if they pick up a ready made ruckman.

[stan]

Heard talk about Port perhaps picking up Mark Seaby from West Coast. He will be De-listed bye the Eagles at the end of the year you would think. The thing is, who do port have who West Coast would want in a trade if this was the case? None I can think of.

Surjan and Pettigrew are from WA aren't they ?? So is Krakouer... So is Dom !!!!!

West Coast have a good young squad which a player like Cassisisisisiis would complement well. So perhaps, however very unlikely as him a Thomas are diamonds at the Power.

[Sturtman]

Thomas is a definite keeper. Ebert is a definite DCM. His only strength is on when on a lead and even that isnt anywhere near as good as it should be. Hes fighting with Salter for that spot and theres way more upside IMO with Salter. Ebert has failed for 2 seasons now, way too long. Pearce potential trade as Francou is right, he struggles with the tag. Burgoyne, Lade, Carr thanks but see ya. Pettigrew should be traded and would prob go alright in another side but has failed to improve at Port for a few years now. The club absolutely has to recruit a ready to go ruckman.

Ebert is contracted for 2 more years isnt he?? Pretty hard to be a small forward in the Power team. You would be leading about 10 times each entry with the way they handball backwards and around in circles.

[gadj1976]

Didn't Ebert win a Magarey for playing in the Centre for the Maggies? Why wouldn't you put someone like him, with his solid build in the middle? Clearly he's not up to playing a leading/marking forward target in a team that's struggling. So rather than throw the baby out with the bath water, put him in the middle! It's something you've clearly been lacking all season.

As far as 'who should retire'? choco.

[Booney]

Mitch Banner – Rookie, unsighted
Travis Boak – Has developed into one of Ports key mid field play makers. Must be kept.
Mathew Broadbent – Shows promise and must be kept
Dean Brogan – Led the way in the Ruck and in the “heart”, must find some young support soon.
Peter Burgoyne – This is the end my friend. Has looked disinterested at times in 09 and out of contract, a farewell match in the the last game of the year? Maybe.
Shaun Burgoyne – Absolute star who missed 15 weeks. The tale of his season.
Alipate Carlile – Has developed into a solid defender with good skills who will be a 200 gamer. Must be kept.
Josh Carr – Pfft, still got a year on his contract and will get money for nothing on 2010.
Dom Cassisi – Been the leader this year, really stood up to the skippers role and IMO will win our B&F ( Brogan and Surjan his main opposition )
Troy Chaplin – Up and down form but Imo is not a CHB and needs to be our 3rd tall.
Chad Cornes – Indifferent season but must now be left at CHB for 2010 and me left to settle there.
Kane Cornes – Key on ball tagger and wins plenty himself.
Jason Davenport – Fast and looks hungry to play AFL, must keep him.
Glenn Dawson – Unsighted rookie.
Brett Ebert – Has had poor form and poor delivery all year and Gray has gone ahead of him as the small forward. Trade bait.
Mitch Farmer – Unsighted rookie
Jon Giles – Needs to step up real quick, will be kept for one more season as we have no option.
Robbie Gray – A quality small forward who has great hands and a good kick who can also win the hard ball in the middle. IMO, a gun.
Hamish Hartlett – As with Gray, outstanding skills and a pre-season of gym work will see him strong enough to play all 22 games. Half back/ midfielder.
Nathan Krakouer – Played off half back most of the year and has found his spot.
Brendon Lade – This is the end my friend.Big Ladey has been ok this year but I fear one more year would see him look far too slow, unlike Burgoyne he could go on,but I hope he goes out now and leaves us with good memories.
Jesse Laurie – Unsighted rookie.
Matt Lobbe – After his well orchestrated move to West Adelaide looks to be the shining light behind Brogan now and I hope he bulks up over Summer and gets a go early in 2010 to show his stuff.
Tom Logan – Tries as hard as anyone and will work hard through the middle, lacks some polish but must be kept and given a run with role to release K.Cornes.
Nick Lower – Unlucky to miss out on a regular basis this year, but plays similar to Surjan,Logan,Thomas and Krakouer ( half back / back pocket ) and may be trade bait.
Matt Martin – Unsighted rookie
Danny Meyer – Re-hashed Richmond player who like Davenport looks hungry to play the top level, keeper.
Daniel Motlop – Injury ruined 09, many have differing views on how Daniel plays but is a 50+ a year goal kicker and must be kept.
Marlon Motlop – Trade bait, had a couple of runs but looked out of his depth.
Danyle Pearce – Not sure what to say here. Trade bait and if not Im not sure where to for Danyle.
Michael Pettigrew – Injury and form interrupted 09 and may be up for trade. IMO we should keep him though.
Jarrad Redden – Unsighted rookie
David Rodan – Brilliant at times and rarely seen at others, not alone in that boat but I expect him to shine in 2010.
Steven Salopek – Injury ( Shoulder popped out ) early in the year and a stint at The Bays didn’t help his confidence, should be on the table tomorrow to have his shoulder done and get him fit and ready for 2010. Missed a lot of pre-season 09 but is a gun.
Nick Salter – Good size who marks and kicks well. Must be given a chance to cement his spot.
Daniel Stewart – Unsighted rookie
Paul Stewart – Good off half back and might be able to go in the middle. Keeper.
Jacob Surjan – IMO our stand out player in 09, tough, hard and never gives in. Unless Freo or the Weagles offer the world for him he must be kept.
Matt Thomas – Tough and hard but lacks polish ( another one ) but must be kept to back up Logan and Surjan as the hard in-and –under half backers.
Wade Thompson – Might be given another go next yeart, might be trade bait.
Toby Thurstans – This is the end my friend. His 3 goals in the 04 GF are a long time ago and Toby looks to be our “Mr.Fix-it” in defence but I think he is now too slow.
Warren Tredrea – Big Wa. Been our best forward all year and must go on to pass the 250 game mark in 2010. Many doubted him but he has been great in 09.
Jack Trengove – Unsighted rookie
Justin Westhoff – Still a bean pole and is too inconsistent but needs to be given another year to see if he can step up after Big Wa is gone.
Mathew Westhoff – Looked ok in his couple of games and needs to be kept.

So, P.Burgoyne, Lade, Thurstans must all be given the DCM.

Ebert,Pettigrew,Pearce,M.Motlop and Thompson all on the trade table. The draft by all accounts this year is a slim one and clubs might just be looking to do some trading before the long cold GC and West Sydney drafts take place. I expect some movement around the trade table in late 09 and Port should be at the forefront.

Carr will be a passenger in 2010 and play for the Bays for $200k. Grrrrr.

Lobbe, Hartlett, Westhoff, Gray, Carlile , Boak, Salopek all need this summer to be a big one and have the pressure put on them to perform in 2010.

Brogan, Cornes X2, Cassisi, S.Burgoyne, Tredrea, Chaplin, Surjan, Rodan , Krakouer and Daniel Motlop to do the bulk of the work.

[Magpiespower]

Pretty good analysis there, Booney.

There's one other bloke who should also POQ...

[Hazbeen]

So without the benefit of any players that come via the draft or trades our best 22 next year will look something like:

F D.Motlop, J.Westhoff, N.Salter
HF R.Gray, W.Tredrea, S.Burgoyne
C H.Hartlett, T.Boak, S.Salopek
HB M.Thomas, C.Cornes, N.Krakouer
B T.Chaplin, A.Carlile, J.Surjan
1R D.Brogan, D.Cassisi, K.Cornes
I/C M.Lobbe, D.Rodan, P.Stewart, T.Logan

Wanted: A key forward to replace Westhoff & an experienced Ruckman to replace Lobbe

[Ruben Carter]

Booney, you are a very astute judge.
I agree with all you have posted except one, that nobody else will like or support.
Danyle Pearce. OK, so he struggles with the tag. How old is he ? How mature is his body ?
He is brilliant when Port plays well, ordinary when they don't (so are the rest of them).
I'd hate to see him play against us, like Eagleton I believe he'll get better with age. Not every AFL player has to be a Hard nut, the game needs carriers (Receivers if you like) who can run and deliver. He does this as well as any player in the AFL . I say, keep the faith. Trust me, he will develop into an outstanding AFL player one day. Maybe sooner than we all expect.