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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby whufc » Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:26 pm

Booney wrote:
whufc wrote:
dedja wrote:
whufc wrote:I disagree a bit.

The AFL dont come out of this looking any good at all because their demands don't pass the pub test of being reasonable.

If the Devils fall through the general perception will be "The AFL made stupid demands that weren't really necessary"

I also dont think the AFL let it fall through because ultimately, they will be wanting to get to 'decent' teams ASAP so they generate greater income.

If the AFL didn't 'really' want Tasmania in the comp they didn't need to let it get as far as it got, they could have continued to shun the idea like they had for the past 30 years.


Tend to agree … Gill has given Dill a hospital pass with this one.


My guess.....

The stadium will get done but probably not by the 2028 deadline.

The AFL to 'allow' the Devils to spend the first year or whatever at the current stadium provided the stadium deal is signed and built by 2029 or whatever.


If there isn't a team of architects and engineers working on the job now, and probably for the last 6 months, then even on a green fields site having tenders run, won and construction completed of a $1bn roofed stadium on an island 300+kms off mainland Australia in under 2 years would be optimistic, at best.


You would be a man that knows these things.

Thats why i reckon the Devils come in, first year or two play home games at the two current stadiums, market it as they are building the statewide fan base (becoming the team for all Tasmanians) before moving to the new build in 2030 to which they will have by then gained a captive audience.
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby Booney » Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:35 pm

whufc wrote:You would be a man that knows these things.

Thats why i reckon the Devils come in, first year or two play home games at the two current stadiums, market it as they are building the statewide fan base (becoming the team for all Tasmanians) before moving to the new build in 2030 to which they will have by then gained a captive audience.


The reports say the license is on the provision they play in a roofed stadium, unless the AFL accepts that change then no license.

Put it this way, in a stadium set to cost upwards of $1bn the AFL has committed $15m. $15m! So that's how invested that are. Money talks, bullshit walks.
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby whufc » Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:39 pm

Booney wrote:
whufc wrote:You would be a man that knows these things.

Thats why i reckon the Devils come in, first year or two play home games at the two current stadiums, market it as they are building the statewide fan base (becoming the team for all Tasmanians) before moving to the new build in 2030 to which they will have by then gained a captive audience.


The reports say the license is on the provision they play in a roofed stadium, unless the AFL accepts that change then no license.

Put it this way, in a stadium set to cost upwards of $1bn the AFL has committed $15m. $15m! So that's how invested that are. Money talks, bullshit walks.


Thats what im saying....the AFL will accept the change imo.

There isn't one logical reason for them to have accepted Tasmania on a condition of entry that they 100% knew wasn't going to go ahead.

What other towns/cities are lining up to build a $1bn stadium.

The AFL want 20 teams, Tasmania is the next best option. They will make it work despite all the postering, bullying and driving a hard deal.

We all know their business plan/goal/strategy whatever you want to call it is to get to 20 teams. So if Tasmania falls through then what for the AFL......

They're stuck with 18 teams, 9 games a week on TV.
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby dedja » Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:50 pm

The idiots should be reducing teams, not increasing … they are intoxicating themselves on broadcasting rights revenue at the expense of everything else, even if it wrecks the fabric of the game.

Then there’s the farcical acts by Goyder to hand pick his successor as AFL Chairman as if it’s an entitled plaything, at the expense of the clubs who have a constitutional right to be involved in the process.
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby whufc » Wed Sep 17, 2025 1:52 pm

dedja wrote:The idiots should be reducing teams, not increasing … they are intoxicating themselves on broadcasting rights revenue at the expense of everything else, even if it wrecks the fabric of the game.

Then there’s the farcical acts by Goyder to hand pick his successor as AFL Chairman as if it’s an entitled plaything, at the expense of the clubs who have a constitutional right to be involved in the process.


100%%% but its easy, lazy income generation. All data-based decision making.
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby am Bays » Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:06 pm

whufc wrote:The AFL want 20 teams


No they dont the AFL just want more games, hence why the wild card round and discussions around a 36 round season (with increased mid week games and 2 x byes per team)
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby Booney » Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:10 pm

whufc wrote:The AFL want 20 teams.


Do they?
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby whufc » Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:54 pm

am Bays wrote:
whufc wrote:The AFL want 20 teams


No they dont the AFL just want more games, hence why the wild card round and discussions around a 36 round season (with increased mid week games and 2 x byes per team)


Yeah they do.....

Direct quote from Andrew Dillon...

“What I will say, is there will be a time where we will expand from 19 teams to 20.

“Whether that’s in my time or someone else’s, that will certainly happen.


https://www.theroar.com.au/2025/03/14/d ... 20th-team/
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Sep 17, 2025 2:59 pm

whufc wrote:
You would be a man that knows these things.


Thats why i reckon the Devils come in, first year or two play home games at the two current stadiums, market it as they are building the statewide fan base (becoming the team for all Tasmanians) before moving to the new build in 2030 to which they will have by then gained a captive audience.

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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby am Bays » Wed Sep 17, 2025 3:02 pm

whufc wrote:
am Bays wrote:
whufc wrote:The AFL want 20 teams


No they dont the AFL just want more games, hence why the wild card round and discussions around a 36 round season (with increased mid week games and 2 x byes per team)


Yeah they do.....

Direct quote from Andrew Dillon...

“What I will say, is there will be a time where we will expand from 19 teams to 20.

“Whether that’s in my time or someone else’s, that will certainly happen.


https://www.theroar.com.au/2025/03/14/d ... 20th-team/
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby dedja » Wed Sep 17, 2025 8:28 pm

Do we have any ground zero reactions from safooty’s Tassie correspondent @mots02?
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby mots02 » Fri Sep 19, 2025 8:23 pm

dedja wrote:Do we have any ground zero reactions from safooty’s Tassie correspondent @mots02?


I got an invite to todays Bill Sorrell sport luncheon at Wrest Point.

Guest speaker was Caroline Wilson, other speakers include Premier Rockliff and Devils Chair Grant O’Brien.

Very positive vibe in the room and very strong public statements that the stadium would go ahead.

Admittedly a biased room, but I’m confident after who I spoke to today that this will happen - not done yet, but will happen.
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby stan » Fri Sep 19, 2025 8:50 pm

mots02 wrote:
dedja wrote:Do we have any ground zero reactions from safooty’s Tassie correspondent @mots02?


I got an invite to todays Bill Sorrell sport luncheon at Wrest Point.

Guest speaker was Caroline Wilson, other speakers include Premier Rockliff and Devils Chair Grant O’Brien.

Very positive vibe in the room and very strong public statements that the stadium would go ahead.

Admittedly a biased room, but I’m confident after who I spoke to today that this will happen - not done yet, but will happen.
Would have to get some $$$ from the feds to get this done. Must be a promise of something in a dodgy spreadsheet.
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby Jim05 » Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:33 pm

mots02 wrote:
dedja wrote:Do we have any ground zero reactions from safooty’s Tassie correspondent @mots02?


I got an invite to todays Bill Sorrell sport luncheon at Wrest Point.

Guest speaker was Caroline Wilson, other speakers include Premier Rockliff and Devils Chair Grant O’Brien.

Very positive vibe in the room and very strong public statements that the stadium would go ahead.

Admittedly a biased room, but I’m confident after who I spoke to today that this will happen - not done yet, but will happen.
Has to go to a vote and they have to convince the Independents which is easier said than done.
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Fri Sep 19, 2025 9:37 pm

Jim05 wrote:
mots02 wrote:
dedja wrote:Do we have any ground zero reactions from safooty’s Tassie correspondent @mots02?


I got an invite to todays Bill Sorrell sport luncheon at Wrest Point.

Guest speaker was Caroline Wilson, other speakers include Premier Rockliff and Devils Chair Grant O’Brien.

Very positive vibe in the room and very strong public statements that the stadium would go ahead.

Admittedly a biased room, but I’m confident after who I spoke to today that this will happen - not done yet, but will happen.
Has to go to a vote and they have to convince the Independents which is easier said than done.

Independents just killed off a profitable industry so no chance it gets up
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby Booney » Wed Oct 01, 2025 12:46 pm

TASMANIA will be forced to trade six of its 11 first-round draft picks across its first three years in the AFL, with the Devils also given a signing bonus pool of $5 million to attract stars from rival clubs.

The League's start-up rules were confirmed by the Commission last week and released on Wednesday, with the Devils given a suite of list build concessions ahead of their proposed entry to the AFL in 2028.

As revealed by AFL.com.au in May, the Devils will be handed picks No.1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13, and the first selection of each subsequent round in their first draft, which is set to be in 2027.

Four of those picks – No.5, 7, 11 and 13 – come with the caveat they need to be used in trades.

In their second and third drafts, the Devils will be handed fixed picks No.5 and 9 in both years, which are on top of the club's regular first-round selection, as well as the first selection in each subsequent round in addition to their natural draft hand. In both of those years, the pick No.5s will have the caveat they must be traded.

Tasmania will have two years to attract up to 18 uncontracted players as 'free agents' from rival clubs, with a maximum of one player per club.

Clubs that lose uncontracted players to Tasmania via this concession will be given compensation picks in return, in a new model that will see clubs given one or more 'floating' picks where the club can choose which draft year they fall in.

The other key parts of the Devils' list build rules include:

A sign-on bonus fund of $5 million that will sit outside the salary cap, to be used by the Devils in their first two years to land big names, with a maximum spend of $3 million in either year;

Four mini-draft selections over two years to on-trade access to star 17-year-olds for following drafts;

Access to pre-list draft talents in their 17th year, spread across two years;

Access to Tasmanian prospects from two years before the club's entry year, with the players able to bypass drafts and play in the state league team;

Priority access to Tasmanian prospects as Academy players, similar to the Northern Academy model, with the ability to pre-list eligible Academy players for the first four years before the AFL reviews the club's access;

Access to pre-list players who have previously nominated for the national draft but have not been selected or are not currently AFL listed;

Access to players as father-sons if their father was born in Tasmania and played at least 100 AFL games.

A flexible list size for the Devils' first five AFL seasons, allowing up to 48 players on the list until their fourth year before reverting to regular levels by their sixth season.
The list concessions given to the Devils will be subject to review and change by the AFL, given they were designed and ratified before the League's father-son and Academy bidding system underwent further change.

As AFL.com.au revealed last week, the clubs were told that the AFL has decided against a 'lockout' system but will bring in significant tightening of the bidding system for 2026, including a cap of two draft picks that can be used to match a bid, the draft value index changing, the removal of the 10 per cent discounts and a grading system depending on ladder finishing position.

But the AFL has given the Devils multiple years to be able to trade the picks, meaning if they cannot find deals in the respective years of those picks, they can 'roll and trade' them within the next two national drafts.
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby Booney » Wed Oct 01, 2025 12:50 pm

So it's possible :

Year one - 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11 and 13 then the first picks of rounds after that

5, 7, 11 and 13 must be traded

Year two - 1*, 5, 9 and the first of each round on top of their draft hand

5 must be traded

Year three - 1*, 5, 9 and the first of each round on top of their draft hand

5 must be traded

*Assuming they finish bottom
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby whufc » Wed Oct 01, 2025 1:00 pm

Given other clubs will now look at this and start to plan/map out/ collect picks to be in a position to try and get some of those must trade picks the AFL just has to go with a Tassie team regardless of the stadium being ready/done.

I would imagine clubs are planning at least 2-3 years ahead when it comes to drafts.
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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby Booney » Wed Oct 01, 2025 1:03 pm

whufc wrote:Given other clubs will now look at this and start to plan/map out/ collect picks to be in a position to try and get some of those must trade picks the AFL just has to go with a Tassie team regardless of the stadium being ready/done.

I would imagine clubs are planning at least 2-3 years ahead when it comes to drafts.


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Re: Tasmania Devils

Postby Lightning McQueen » Wed Oct 01, 2025 1:09 pm

Imagine how many kids will leave once their inital contract is up, they would be dreading to move to Tassie, nice place to visit but to be forced there for work you would be counting down the days to get out of there.
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