Port 2014 - Pre-Season/General Discussion

[bennymacca]

Yeah I knew that I was referring to before that

[valleys07]

Round 23 last year v Carlton was a sellout IIRC.

[bennymacca]

Round 23 last year v Carlton was a sellout IIRC.

Yeah good call, last ever game at aami they got 45k to the game.

Because I am a nerd I went and looked up how many times port have had a non showdown 40k+ crowd and it is surprisingly few.

R22 2013 vs Carlton 45127
Prelim final 2007 vs north melb -44953
R22 2005 vs Freo -41518
Prelim final 2004 vs st Kilda 46978
R10 2003 vs collingwood 43321
R22 2002 vs Bris 46439
R10 1997 vs Carlton 40116

Thats only 2 out of their 9 home finals that had over 40k in crowds too(excluding the adelaide final)

So that game against geelong marks their highest non showdown home crowd ever,

So they have only had 7 non showdown 40+ crowds EVER, 8 including geelong this year.

Now tell me adelaide oval doesn't have an effect!!!

They also have home games against hawthorn, essendon and Carlton to come this year. All will smash 40k the way port are playing.

(They also only got 32747 to their first ever hole game against essendon)

[Phantom Gossiper]

Instead of trying to compare apples to oranges with crowd attendance, how about find out crowd numbers against membership numbers?

No good sitting there pointing out that Port have struggled to get 40k+ to home games over their existence when last year was the first season they passed 40k members!

[Phantom Gossiper]

Port Adelaide membership numbers have seen an increase every year since 2009, that in itself is impressive and should be the focus of discussion, not that Port couldn't fill AAMI stadium every home game

[bennymacca]

Fair point, I just thought it was very interesting seeing how well port have been doing this season. (Just for comparison, since 1997 the crows have had more than 40k in a non showdown game 96 times . Couldn't resist the brag)

[bennymacca]

That wasn't a setup either btw, I am genuinely happy for port

[bennymacca]

Port Home attendances

Port Adelaide Power Home Games Crowds and Attendances AFL Attendances By Year
Year Games Total Average
2014 3 133,635 44,545
2013 11 296,068 26,915
2012 11 219,017 19,911
2011 11 238,437 21,676
2010 11 253,481 23,044
2009 11 267,839 24,349
2008 11 262,258 23,842
2007 13 389,275 29,944
2006 11 299,829 27,257
2005 11 362,017 32,911
2004 14 492,546 35,182
2003 13 420,821 32,371
2002 13 395,342 30,411
2001 12 369,296 30,775
2000 11 290,149 26,377
1999 11 343,963 31,269
1998 11 349,794 31,799
1997 11 394,115 35,829


will try and find membership numbers

[bennymacca]

membership numbers.

no idea how they count each of the the members though, whether reduced game members count etc.

Year Membership Numbers
2014 46,549
2013 39,838
2012 35,543
2011 32,581
2010 29,092
2009 30,605
2008 34,185
2007 34,073
2006 35,648
2005 36,834
2004 36,340
2003 35,425
2002 36,229
2001 33,296
2000 34,925
1999 37,166
1998 38,305
1997 35,809

[Phantom Gossiper]

Port membership numbers and average crowds, also the percentage is of average crowds compared to membership numbers:

Port Membership & Crowd numbers.JPG (76.01 KiB) Viewed 745 times

[Phantom Gossiper]

Now the Crows:

Crows Membership & Crowd numbers.JPG (71.29 KiB) Viewed 754 times

[bennymacca]

a good article, using last year's stats, showing the proportions of the different types of membership and the associated revenue.

shows that port have mostly full season tickets but still quite a proportion on reduced game memberships, if the proportion is the same this year.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/a ... zr5tt.html

[bennymacca]

good job PG. i think you could correlate those numbers pretty closely as the percentage of people on full memberships rather than reduced game or memberships that dont include games etc.

[Phantom Gossiper]

What these numbers tell me, is with the exception of the tougher few years, Port and Crows both have remained quite stable and people exaggerate too much.

Obviously Port had those tough few years, but take that out the equation and they were still quite consistent with their numbers.

[Phantom Gossiper]

a good article, using last year's stats, showing the proportions of the different types of membership and the associated revenue.

shows that port have mostly full season tickets but still quite a proportion on reduced game memberships, if the proportion is the same this year.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/a ... zr5tt.html

An interesting read, shows really how misleading the membership numbers can be, when you look at a club like say Carlton who are listed as the 4th highest membership base, but large portion are reduced games, those with either H&A memberships or Home only have a higher % of membership revenue

[Booney]

a good article, using last year's stats, showing the proportions of the different types of membership and the associated revenue.

shows that port have mostly full season tickets but still quite a proportion on reduced game memberships, if the proportion is the same this year.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/a ... zr5tt.html

Yes, good reading. Interesting that the non-Victorian based clubs ( certainly WA and SA based ) seem to have among the lowest reduced game memberships in the competition.

[bennymacca]

I think a lot of the Melbourne people might choose to only go to the marquee games.

Not so much for port, but certainly for the crows (and west coast) a lot of people buy a full season membership so they are guaranteed access to the marquee games that sell out. Sellouts don't often happen in Melbourne.

Also if I was a Richmond supporter for instance I might save my money and go see the big collingwood game twice, home and away, in lieu of a season ticket where I would have to go see gws

[bennymacca]

I think if port keep going well the same effect will happen too, that small number of reduced game memberships will upgrade for fear of missing out on the games they want

[stan]

Wrong topic beeep

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[carey]

Benny and PG should get a room!